Neuromancer
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Keep moving the goalposts.Are you really playing it or just taking a picture? Will you really play a mediocre driving games when in 5 years you will have 2160p Oculus ones?
Keep moving the goalposts.Are you really playing it or just taking a picture? Will you really play a mediocre driving games when in 5 years you will have 2160p Oculus ones?
Are you REALLY going to play it even 2 years from now?
Are you REALLY going to play it even 2 years from now?
Maybe it was just a mistake, my question is, why does it really matters? Do you think it's going to be the same even with regular PS plus games?
What is this madness? I still play PS1 racing games, let alone racing games from 7 years ago. I'm sure there are tons of people who still play Mario Kart on the SNES or the virtual console version of that game or old F-Zero titles. Just because something new comes out or the technology surges forward, doesn't mean the old games suddenly become garbage. There are tons of people who frequent numerous retro gaming threads here on GAF who would vehemently answer "YES!" to your question.Are you really playing it or just taking a picture? Will you really play a mediocre driving games when in 5 years you will have 2160p Oculus ones?
Stay tuned because theres more content coming tomorrow with the Clubs video, explaining why theyre crucial to making DRIVECLUB distinctly different.
So what do you think about this:
Are you really playing it or just taking a picture? Will you really play a mediocre driving games when in 5 years you will have 2160p Oculus ones?
Sony is trying hard to fuck up this game.
It would of been a cool launch title but there are better racers coming soon.
Are you REALLY going to play it even 2 years from now?
Such as what? Project Cars that only some people have played on PC and never have played on console? Mario Kart Wii U? A kart racer? Possibly Forza Horizon 2 which is not even playable outside of 360/Xbone. I find it funny people are trying to slag the game off because of Sony's own ineptitude when it has no bearing on the state and playability of the actual game itself.
Are you REALLY going to play it even 2 years from now
Are you serious right now?
I remember hearing that in the PS+ version of the game you could buy separate tracks and cars a-la-carte. Is that gone in place of purchasing all or nothing? Because that would've been perfect for me, I'm too casual to care about owning every single track or car and wanted a discount.
They explain it in the video. You still have the a-la-carte option, if you are inclined to buy content as you see fit. The only issue is the "all" option, which should make it equivalent to a full purchase.
And the AlaCarte option would have the same limitations - only working as long as you have PS+
In times where people buy a new phone every year on contract... who knows
Well if I bought a couple of tracks for that, not being able to play those wouldn't sting as much as the full purchase (I dont see my PS+ sub lapsing anytime soon though). I say they shouldn't even offer the full purchase, just do the a-la-carte or have them buy retail.And the AlaCarte option would have the same limitations - only working as long as you have PS+
Yup. And that's fair. That's the premium you pay for the convenience of flexible pricing. There is just a price point beyond which it stops making sense. If they keep that the way it is and fix the "all" option, I don't think people will complain.
Sony is trying hard to fuck up this game.
It would of been a cool launch title but there are better racers coming soon.
Yup. And that's fair. That's the premium you pay for the convenience of flexible pricing. There is just a price point beyond which it stops making sense. If they keep that the way it is and fix the "all" option, I don't think people will complain.
Interesting analogy. The thought crossed my mind as well. The big difference is what people are willing to sacrifice for the price they pay. The subsidies on phones make it worth it for the majority, so that model succeeded. If console manufacturers sold all their games for $20 with a Gold/PS+ contract and $60 without, I'm sure a lot of gamers would consider it. The value associated with ownership isn't insurmountable. Not for the majority at least.
Banning used games is way worse than this.
They weren't going to outright ban used games, they were going to only allow authorized dealers which we never knew the full details. How is not being able to access your game if you're not a Plus member better? Not only is the game locked which prevents you from reselling it but it also doesn't allow access unless you remain a Plus member.
Didn't they backpedal to that point though? I would be SHOCKED if they would have gone through any trouble to implement used games if it hadn't immediately been met with backlash. They didn't unveil that system for used games. Really ever. I wonder why. Think they had one?
Also, the MS stuff was way worse. If we transfer terms from MS to PS, the old MS strategy essentially required PS+ to access ANY content of ANY game. SOOOO MUCH WORSE.
but this is still along the same path of fucked up.
I think they should just scrap the idea of an upgrade version entirely.
PS Plus Version/Full Version.
It's too messy a road to go down.
Correct.What happens with other games on sale with a Plus membership, are they not ours to keep even if we stop subscribing?
What happens with other games on sale with a Plus membership, are they not ours to keep even if we stop subscribing?
Reverse this policy, Sony. Or I should say, don't implement it. It's a clear distinction - don't hinge a business model based on people's fear of losing content, base it on the notion that people will resubscribe because they love the service. This is not the way to move forward.
Correct.
Any game bought via PS+ discount (any money changing hands) is yours to keep forever. Well, until they fix this.
Makes senseI went to Driveclub Facebook just to check comments on this story...
...and there was NO STORY. Hm.
Driveclub's Facebook doesn't mention it at all. Strange.
Also, no US CM ever responded by the single line on 7-pages of comments at the PS US blog. UK PSblog CM stopped answering yesterday.
These things take time to respond to especially because its a global issue that affects more than one region. SCEA already knew about this specific thread before I emailed I think they are looking over the feedback. The key takeaway right now though is that they ARE listening. Community feedback is very important this Gen ... I feel that they have shown they value what the community has to say.
With that said give them a little time to come up with a coherent response that makes sense. Differnt regional head offices, multiple people to discuss the issue with.
Forum communities cross all regions, but each region has its own set of Community Managers, pr etc I suspect they want to have an answer that covers all regions, and coordinating that takes time to make sure everyone is on the same page.
That's my take at least.
Are you REALLY going to play it even 2 years from now?
As a whole what Microsoft was going to do was very controversial, but to compare how Sony is handling the Plus model for DriveClub this is worse. You can't resell it and you have to remain a Plus member.
As long as he's an active member of Playstation Plus in good standing he has the power and the freedom of choice to move the goalposts as far as he decides.Keep moving the goalposts.
If I'm understanding this correctly, it's completely fucked on several levels. Wtf.
You are understanding it correctly. There are options, but they are options only for the discerning consumer. The rest are gonna fall for it because the lower price is attractive. Which is why I'm supporting this backlash. Don't care about what the discount is or how many cars you get, but they don't get to mess around with the basics of a fair transaction. It is a precedent that should not be set.
I think they should just scrap the idea of an upgrade version entirely.
PS Plus Version/Full Version.
It's too messy a road to go down.
Sony is trying hard to fuck up this game.
It would of been a cool launch title but there are better racers coming soon.
That's a little different. MS had plenty of uproar before they announced the policies from the rumors. THey had plenty of time to listen to the gamers. They didn't and tried their policies anyways. They didn't listen, they were forced to 180 by the point they did a 180. In this case Sony is just now getting the uproar as people just learned of this so they still have time to actually listen. If Sony persists on doing this and then their sales for DriveClub fails miserabley and then they 180, that's equivelant and I'd agree they didn't listen. As is, if this wasn't a miscommunication (in which point it's completely forgiveable) Sony still did try to pull it off but at least listened and backed off. That would deserve at least a little less trust for a while until they proved they really listened and won't try it again. But it wouldn't deserve as much of a reaction as MS got (if Sony didn't miscommunicate and if Sony listens).
In fact, MS has show that even after they 180'd they didn't listen. They never admitted they were wrong, they kept blaming us for not seeing their vision and they pretty much acted like how they felt, that they were only doing this cause they had to. Not because they thought the fans might have a point or that they cared the fans were upset. They only cared cause they were going to have a failure otherwise. Have they yet once truly said sorry rather than, "Sorry you didn't understand what we were trying to do."? Actions speak louder than words and MS's actions have shown they didn't listen, they just knew they had to 180 or else have a failure.
There are? I haven't seen much that looks appealing.
You are understanding it correctly. There are options, but they are options only for the discerning consumer. The rest are gonna fall for it because the lower price is attractive. Which is why I'm supporting this backlash. Don't care about what the discount is or how many cars we get, but they don't get to mess around with the basics of a fair transaction. It is a precedent that should not be set.
Yep, it's the job of those gamers who pay attention to these kinds of things to scream bloody murder. Low information gamers shouldn't be subject to abuse just because they don't keep up with the latest.
Lol at falling for it. People will get the idea easily enough, and they'll buy it of their own volition. Some here are making it seem like there will be droves of mindless automotons continually buying $50 DLC upgraded games then regretting it after, and then somehow it will catch on despite obvious consumer backlash, and then be our only purchase option for the foreseeable future. That is paranoia.
Then again, I once traded in some PS3 games for $10 after paying full retail for them at launch and didn't feel bad about it at all. I did that out of my own free will too. I guess I'm in the minority though.
So people who are misled (aka falling for it) are mindless automatons? Did anyone suggest that? You are making straw man arguments. If you think there wouldn't be people being misled, walk into a any retail store around you. It happens every day. Doesn't necessarily make the buyer stupid or the seller evil. If there are ways to avoid it and the community, which tends to pay more attention to the details, can help in defining lines that shouldn't be crossed, then that's a good thing, right?
There is a lot of over reaction and hyperbole on the internet. Nothing new there. Best is to filter out the noise and go with the crux of the argument being made.