Neuromancer
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Keep moving the goalposts.
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Buy $50 Driveclub PS+ upgrade, lose access if your PS+ sub lapses
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I wish I had a GIF to tell the world what a wrong question this is to ask.
What about people who aren't even going to buy it for another couple of years? Why do you assume that everyone buys (or even should buy) every new game on day one?
DidntKnowJack
Member
What is this madness? I still play PS1 racing games, let alone racing games from 7 years ago. I'm sure there are tons of people who still play Mario Kart on the SNES or the virtual console version of that game or old F-Zero titles. Just because something new comes out or the technology surges forward, doesn't mean the old games suddenly become garbage. There are tons of people who frequent numerous retro gaming threads here on GAF who would vehemently answer "YES!" to your question.
Besides, mediocre is in the eye of the beholder.
If I liked the "PS+ Edition" I would have bought the game. Now after this I will never buy it, digital or physical even if it's 5€ on a mega sale.
If they changed quickly maybe I will reconsider it.
I just feel sorry for Evolution because I truly believe they have nothing to do with this and they are the ones getting the bad PR and after the recent failures I don't know if they survive another...
Is the idea of wanting to be able to play a single-player game you purchased at a later point in time without having a paid subscription/background online service really so difficult to understand? I really mean that, because it seems like a pretty reasonable expectation.
I just don't get why you'd so fervently reject the idea that someone even theoretically might.
Such as what? Project Cars that only some people have played on PC and never have played on console? Mario Kart Wii U? A kart racer? Possibly Forza Horizon 2 which is not even playable outside of 360/Xbone. I find it funny people are trying to slag the game off because of Sony's own ineptitude when it has no bearing on the state and playability of the actual game itself.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I remember hearing that in the PS+ version of the game you could buy separate tracks and cars a-la-carte. Is that gone in place of purchasing all or nothing? Because that would've been perfect for me, I'm too casual to care about owning every single track or car and wanted a discount.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Are you serious right now?
Hell yes project cars!
I am more of a sim racer fan, arcade games like this are fine and dandy as a diversion but after a proper sim comes out for PS4 I will have no time for this.
Do you still play Old Consoles N64.PS1,SNES ect?
In times where people buy a new phone every year on contract... who knows
They explain it in the video. You still have the a-la-carte option, if you are inclined to buy content as you see fit. The only issue is the "all" option, which should make it equivalent to a full purchase.
And the AlaCarte option would have the same limitations - only working as long as you have PS+
Yup. And that's fair. That's the premium you pay for the convenience of flexible pricing. There is just a price point beyond which it stops making sense. If they keep that the way it is and fix the "all" option, I don't think people will complain.
Interesting analogy. The thought crossed my mind as well. The big difference is what people are willing to sacrifice for the price they pay. The subsidies on phones make it worth it for the majority, so that model succeeded. If console manufacturers sold all their games for $20 with a Gold/PS+ contract and $60 without, I'm sure a lot of gamers would consider it. The value associated with ownership isn't insurmountable. Not for the majority at least.
I remember a time when I preferred console gaming because of how simple it was.
I'm familiar with most of the terminology and it's taken me a while to get my head around this so I have no idea why some of the more casual gamers I know would make of this.
I assume there'll be the normal type of DLC on top of the upgrade too.
I'm familiar with most of the terminology and it's taken me a while to get my head around this so I have no idea why some of the more casual gamers I know would make of this.
I assume there'll be the normal type of DLC on top of the upgrade too.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Well if I bought a couple of tracks for that, not being able to play those wouldn't sting as much as the full purchase (I dont see my PS+ sub lapsing anytime soon though). I say they shouldn't even offer the full purchase, just do the a-la-carte or have them buy retail.
vpance
Member
Nah, the reason why we're complaining is we want the $10 off for the digital version, no strings attached. We saw the discount dangled in front of us and now we find out that we gotta give up what to play it?? That's the reason. If they came out with this DLC version at $100 no one would care.
For some reason posts like this really strike a nerve. You've not played driveclub or any of the other supposedly superior racers.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you can upgrade through PS+ for 50, or just buy it outright through PSN for 60. So your + membership saves you 10 dollars on the full game, but costs you all of the content aside from the free stuff if you stop PS+.
So this would be like paying 50 for, or 60 without, but losing the game when you stopped your membership...probably won't be attractive to many people!
If I'm understanding this correctly, it's completely fucked on several levels. Wtf.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
They weren't going to outright ban used games, they were going to only allow authorized dealers which we never knew the full details. How is not being able to access your game if you're not a Plus member better? Not only is the game locked which prevents you from reselling it but it also doesn't allow access unless you remain a Plus member.
Didn't they backpedal to that point though? I would be SHOCKED if they would have gone through any trouble to implement used games if it hadn't immediately been met with backlash. They didn't unveil that system for used games. Really ever. I wonder why. Think they had one?
Also, the MS stuff was way worse. If we transfer terms from MS to PS, the old MS strategy essentially required PS+ to access ANY content of ANY game. SOOOO MUCH WORSE.
but this is still along the same path of fucked up.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
As a whole what Microsoft was going to do was very controversial, but to compare how Sony is handling the Plus model for DriveClub this is worse. You can't resell it and you have to remain a Plus member.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I think they should just scrap the idea of an upgrade version entirely.
PS Plus Version/Full Version.
It's too messy a road to go down.
PS Plus Version/Full Version.
It's too messy a road to go down.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
What happens with other games on sale with a Plus membership, are they not ours to keep even if we stop subscribing?
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Correct.
Any game bought via PS+ discount (any money changing hands) is yours to keep forever. Well, until they fix this.
I missed this earlier, but to echo others, this states it very well.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Good because even though I don't plan on stopping my membership I still want to have access to all those games I bought. I know the free ones are not mine to keep.
I went to Driveclub Facebook just to check comments on this story...
...and there was NO STORY. Hm.
Driveclub's Facebook doesn't mention it at all. Strange.
Also, no US CM ever responded by the single line on 7-pages of comments at the PS US blog. UK PSblog CM stopped answering yesterday.
...and there was NO STORY. Hm.
Driveclub's Facebook doesn't mention it at all. Strange.
Also, no US CM ever responded by the single line on 7-pages of comments at the PS US blog. UK PSblog CM stopped answering yesterday.
SHADES
Member
I still recall my parents wheeling out an old guess who board game in the early 80's, I'd like that trend of introducing youngsters to games to continue be it board games or video games, and if were paying £42 for the privilege then even more so!
Oh, I get your point now...but disagree with you...But then again I haven't traded in a game in 13 years, so MS was waaaay worse in my mind.
NullPointer
Member
As long as he's an active member of Playstation Plus in good standing he has the power and the freedom of choice to move the goalposts as far as he decides.
He's master of his own destiny.
You are understanding it correctly. There are options, but they are options only for the discerning consumer. The rest are gonna fall for it because the lower price is attractive. Which is why I'm supporting this backlash. Don't care about what the discount is or how many cars we get, but they don't get to mess around with the basics of a fair transaction. It is a precedent that should not be set.
Yep, it's the job of those gamers who pay attention to these kinds of things to scream bloody murder. Low information gamers shouldn't be subject to abuse just because they don't keep up with the latest.
It does completely muddy the waters in terms of buying games with a plus discount. They really should have followed the established model, and maybe as an alternative have the free version and sell the rest of the game piecemeal.
Of course even thats a bit messy, but a mess that already exists where you can buy dlc for a plus free game, end your subscription and lose access to what you bought because you own the dlc but not the main game.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
There are? I haven't seen much that looks appealing.
Sometimes I wish MS said screw it and just went for it, just to see how things would play out.
It looked interesting to me, but then I don't care much for the pure sims and this seemed like a nice middleground with some potentially interesting social stuff.
Of course I probably would have been just as happy with a reimagined motorstorm.
vpance
Member
Lol at falling for it. People will get the idea easily enough, and they'll buy it of their own volition. Some here are making it seem like there will be droves of mindless automotons continually buying $50 DLC upgraded games then regretting it after, and then somehow it will catch on despite obvious consumer backlash, and then be our only purchase option for the foreseeable future. That is paranoia.
Then again, I once traded in some PS3 games for $10 after paying full retail for them at launch and didn't feel bad about it at all. I did that out of my own free will too. I guess I'm in the minority though.
If this true, well done Sony, taking a game hostage when people upgrade to the full version and then don't keep PS+ till the end of time. The funny thing about making comparisons to Microsoft, is with Games with Gold one download while being a gold member means you own that game digitally for good. Go back to silver? Download the game again if you delete it.
While not nearly as dicey as the shit Microsoft was pulling last year, Sony somehow matched some of Xbox Live's toxicity with this one move.
While not nearly as dicey as the shit Microsoft was pulling last year, Sony somehow matched some of Xbox Live's toxicity with this one move.
wapplew
Member
So Sony offer 3 options
$60 physical
$60 Digital
$50 rent (Stupid deal)
All the sudden Driverclub is a disaster, Sony is evil.
Sony is stupid, and we don't know the quality of Driveclub. We sure hope they scrap the "rent" deal and give us normal plus discount.
Come back later if they ask you for $20 to unlock a car you owned to save time, then we are talking.
$60 physical
$60 Digital
$50 rent (Stupid deal)
All the sudden Driverclub is a disaster, Sony is evil.
Sony is stupid, and we don't know the quality of Driveclub. We sure hope they scrap the "rent" deal and give us normal plus discount.
Come back later if they ask you for $20 to unlock a car you owned to save time, then we are talking.
So people who are misled (aka falling for it) are mindless automatons? Did anyone suggest that? You are making straw man arguments. If you think there wouldn't be people being misled, walk into a any retail store around you. It happens every day. Doesn't necessarily make the buyer stupid or the seller evil. If there are ways to avoid it and the community, which tends to pay more attention to the details, can help in defining lines that shouldn't be crossed, then that's a good thing, right?
There is a lot of over reaction and hyperbole on the internet. Nothing new there. Best is to filter out the noise and go with the crux of the argument being made.
I'm 99% sure Jack Trenton said they would get free Drive Club "PS+ Edition" at the E3 conference last year. I knew that meant we wouldn't get a full game. The 10 cars and 5 tracks is fine with me and probably fine with most people who just want a freebie to check out each month.
Now if I pay to unlock the full game that should be mine forever. If it expires after I stop my ps+ sub then that is bull shit.
Now if I pay to unlock the full game that should be mine forever. If it expires after I stop my ps+ sub then that is bull shit.
Well frankly, Sony is being a little evil. They didn't accidentally offer this fucked up terrible anti-consumer deal. They were really hoping to fuck people over, and also hoping no one would throw a fit