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Black Ops 2 still making more money than games that are coming out today. So sad.
Be careful, now.
SuperData Research is trying to sell you their data on their website. Clearly they're going to paint themselves in the best possible light.
But they're well known for providing...estimates. Nothing more...just estimates. They're trying to fill a niche. They are by no means definitive, and they have lots of gaps in their data.
Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony do not provide them with any data, I will tell you that right now.
They go around to publishers and beg for data. If you know anything about that strategy, it's usually quite unsuccessful.
So SuperData's sources are a mix of publicly available tidbits through financial reports and developer PR, a couple of publishers who actually give them data, and a TON of extrapolation to fill in the gaps.
Lol, I remember how the "hardcore gamers" got pissed off at microsoft for promoting the positives of digital games and swore to only buy a ps4 with physical game copies.
Face palm.
CEO from SuperData here.
Yes, we do, in fact, collect hard data. Just like NPD/GfK, but collected from payment service providers instead of physical retailers.
Happy to answer any questions. Meanwhile, see if this helps you understand how we work:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-29-so-you-think-video-game-research-sucks
Lol, I remember how the "hardcore gamers" got pissed off at microsoft for promoting the positives of digital games and swore to only buy a ps4 with physical game copies.
Face palm.
Ah some revisionist history. Yup that was MS "hickup".
Lol, I remember how the "hardcore gamers" got pissed off at microsoft for promoting the positives of digital games and swore to only buy a ps4 with physical game copies.
Face palm.
Exactly!!! Years down the road having a physical collection of games is an advantage in this respect. Download list for older systems won't be supported forever.
CEO from SuperData here.
Yes, we do, in fact, collect hard data. Just like NPD/GfK, but collected from payment service providers instead of physical retailers.
Happy to answer any questions. Meanwhile, see if this helps you understand how we work:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-29-so-you-think-video-game-research-sucks
Exactly!!! Years down the road having a physical collection of games is an advantage in this respect. Download list for older systems won't be supported forever.
A bit of a false parallel, if you take care of your discs, your collection will last just fine. Also if yor system dies a physical disc will play on ANY system, it's not tied to that one console's HDD. Remastered games are selective. Any who way off topic.
So VISA tells you what we are buying? That seems like a privacy violation.
If they do it will be will all identifying data scrubbed. Also if your concerned about that it's the same that Walmart is doing with NPD they also get your name and card number.
Sony's eating XBL Marketplace's lunch. Amazing how much the roles have switched since the start of last generation.
A disc is a disc, you buy it, you can play it, period.
What % of this January $263 million data point is sourced directly from POS receipts, and what % of this $263 million figure is sourced from extrapolations, estimates, or algorithms?
The NPD Group directly tracks 90-95% of the physical retail video game console market. What percentage of the digital video game console market do you directly track?
Their accuracy still remains to be seen.
VISA doesn't know what I'm buying even, they just know how much cash I'm putting in my digital wallet.Nah, VISA is a third party, it isn't product that they own that they are selling and giving information on how much they are selling/buying. They are just a facilitator. Almost like if Google was giving out information about how many items of a certain type people were purchasing through their Chrome browser. Heck, they may be doing that, but I didn't think so.
yeah true but discs will always play on thier respective consoles. with digital content the store could go down and you could lose everything. so it's much mroe risky.
Rare problems like stepping on a disc? Or rare problems like loss/theft? Or scratches from the disc reader? Honestly the only examples youve given against digital games deal with being uninformed or victim of a glitch, neither of which represent the trend of digital games as a whole.
Your ability to access your digital games wont disappear overnight, much less within the next 15-20 years. You can still download early PSP games. There should be no reason for an account ban either, and it says right in the TOS theres no chargebacks or youll be banned. And obviously you cant download games without internet, yes I guess you have that. This fear-mongering about digital games needs to end, its getting ridiculous.
CEO from SuperData here.
Yes, we do, in fact, collect hard data. Just like NPD/GfK, but collected from payment service providers instead of physical retailers.
Happy to answer any questions. Meanwhile, see if this helps you understand how we work:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-29-so-you-think-video-game-research-sucks
Europe would buy more games on consoles digitally if the prices weren't so fucking insane. £55 for new games is a joke and anyone that pays it is an idiot. It's just way cheaper to get games at retail and I think that's the main reason we haven't embraced digital on consoles as much as the US probably have. Your games are $60 digital and retail, right?FIFA is not in top 10 but Madden is? Is Europe presence in digital market really that small?
unless there is some guarantee all this digital content will be playable on ps5 it's such a risk buying it.
yeah true but discs will always play on thier respective consoles. with digital content the store could go down and you could lose everything. so it's much mroe risky.
ps4 HDD doesn't hold many games, you will have to delete some at least most people will and what if the service goes down and you cant download them ever again.
Lol, I remember how the "hardcore gamers" got pissed off at microsoft for promoting the positives of digital games and swore to only buy a ps4 with physical game copies.
Face palm.
So if the data is accurate, doesn't it confirm what many were suspecting here (and some vehemently denying), as in that for some reason the digital sales on PS4 are disproportionally higher than on XB1?
Europe would buy more games on consoles digitally if the prices weren't so fucking insane. £55 for new games is a joke and anyone that pays it is an idiot. It's just way cheaper to get games at retail and I think that's the main reason we haven't embraced digital on consoles as much as the US probably have. Your games are $60 digital and retail, right?
yeah true but discs will always play on thier respective consoles. with digital content the store could go down and you could lose everything. so it's much mroe risky.
No, it's higher but not disproportionately so given the install bases. I'd actually consider it low in that light.So if the data is accurate, doesn't it confirm what many were suspecting here (and some vehemently denying), as in that for some reason the digital sales on PS4 are disproportionally higher than on XB1?
NPD also estimates digital sales, likely with more datapoints than SuperData.interesting. Here I was thinking it was just an estimate. NPDs missing a lot of revenue without digital it seems.
Joke post or #neogafshitpostLol, I remember how the "hardcore gamers" got pissed off at microsoft for promoting the positives of digital games and swore to only buy a ps4 with physical game copies.
Face palm.
Europe would buy more games on consoles digitally if the prices weren't so fucking insane. £55 for new games is a joke and anyone that pays it is an idiot. It's just way cheaper to get games at retail and I think that's the main reason we haven't embraced digital on consoles as much as the US probably have. Your games are $60 digital and retail, right?
Many more PS4s out there and PS4 has a much larger game library available compared to XB1, so it only makes sense really.
No, it's higher but not disproportionately so given the install bases. I'd actually consider it low in that light.
Let me know if I read wrong, but ...
Given that we're talking PS3+PS4 vs X360+XB1:
AFAICT you also need to include Nintendo, so 63% is quite surprising.