ebullientprism
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DMCA's are happening.
LOL On the PC? Good luck with that.
DMCA's are happening.
Argh, Why can't 343 just port Halo 3 to PC.
It would be a good cash grab for them.
Fix up Halo 1, 2, and throw us a bone on Halo 3. Allow modding, and release on Steam/GOG.
This has been my dream for years.
This won't stop anything,Github page is down ;-; They even got Forge half-working on H3 maps, damn.
This won't stop anything,
Fix up Halo 1, 2, and throw us a bone on Halo 3. Allow modding, and release on Steam/GOG.
Halo with Steam Workshop integration... almost too good
It's disappointing Microsoft can't see the interest Halo on PC actually has. You port over Halo MCC, go even further with mod tools, community content, colloboration, sharing and a marketplace. Microsoft could do all that and reap the rewards. Not some F2P fleece fest. You want Halo to be even bigger, open it up to the PC community. Can you imagine the Halo games and something like Garrys Mod for all content. Microsoft could build something great that never stops growing. If Microsoft are working on something for PC like this and it's taking time, fair enough but if they aren't how very sad.
Now all we need is MPAh yes, latest release of El Dorito supports Forge, Third Person, gamemodes, and semi-loadouts now.
It just gets better and better
It's disappointing Microsoft can't see the interest Halo on PC actually has. You port over Halo MCC, go even further with mod tools, community content, colloboration, sharing and a marketplace. Microsoft could do all that and reap the rewards. Not some F2P fleece fest. You want Halo to be even bigger, open it up to the PC community. Can you imagine the Halo games and something like Garrys Mod for all content. Microsoft could build something great that never stops growing. If Microsoft are working on something for PC like this and it's taking time, fair enough but if they aren't how very sad.
mhmThen I'd be pissed I got an XBone. Microsoft knows what theyre doing.
Hi guys, I asked this early and was given an answer but new developments have me confused again. How is this not piracy? I've been looking at the definition of piracy just to see if I could understand myself without having to ask you guys but what is happening here fits the description as far as I can see. When I had asked earlier I was told that it wasn't piracy because the files were put up for free on the internet but a quick gloss over the definition again shows that copyright infringement and illegal recreation and distribution falls under the pirate umbrella too. Isn't this illegal recreation and distribution and also copyright infringement? they even issued what looks like a cease and desist (Im not too sure so Im asking you guys). If it isnt illegal recreation and distribution and copyright infringement then how comes? what makes it different? I find this very interesting. Can someone help
Hi guys, I asked this early and was given an answer but new developments have me confused again. How is this not piracy? I've been looking at the definition of piracy just to see if I could understand myself without having to ask you guys but what is happening here fits the description as far as I can see. When I had asked earlier I was told that it wasn't piracy because the files were put up for free on the internet but a quick gloss over the definition again shows that copyright infringement and illegal recreation and distribution falls under the pirate umbrella too. Isn't this illegal recreation and distribution and also copyright infringement? they even issued what looks like a cease and desist (Im not too sure so Im asking you guys). If it isnt illegal recreation and distribution and copyright infringement then how comes? what makes it different? I find this very interesting. Can someone help
It is, ignore those that are just trying to make themselves feel better about it. The game has a model which would allow it to generate money, and that's being deliberately circumvented here. It's not "free" in the way these people are trying to justify it as being.
They didn't issue a cease and desist at all, they issued a DMCA notice towards the open source software built on the leak. No part of El Dorito's release or source used the files of the original.
I think if Microsoft were going to shutdown anyone, it would be Auracore who are building private server software off of reverse engineering the game's code, and will possibly have micro transactions in.
But then this also confuses me because people who talk about pirating on this site get banned. Pretty quickly too. No one here is banned. I'm wondering if there is some loophole that makes this not piracy and if so why don't they (they being...well...the internet) talk about it more openly? My understanding is that modding is only allowed legally if the dev and publisher allow it. I don't think ms wants this.
Thanks for the response. That clears one art up but still confuses me. How does El dorito's release work. Is it modified code off of the original source? Is it the original source with new code over it? What makes what he is releasing "Halo". I'm not really explaining this too well but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Any other new updates or is that it for now?Xbox 360 pad support added!
I agree with this, to be honest. Doesn't seem to be stopping anyone though.It is, ignore those that are just trying to make themselves feel better about it. The game has a model which would allow it to generate money, and that's being deliberately circumvented here. It's not "free" in the way these people are trying to justify it as being.
I agree with this, to be honest. Doesn't seem to be stopping anyone though.
Guess it was bound to happen when you region lock a PC game //shrug
Wait, so what has been discussed in this thread is a way to play a fully functional, multiplayer version of Halo Online while also circumventing the payment model?
Because last I checked, people are finding a way booting a noticeably unfinished game, and running around a handful of maps /alone/.
Even in its unfinished state, people are just giving themselves equipment that is part of the game's payment model. The goal is quite clearly to clone the official offering, but not be at the mercy of either the regional locking, or its f2p ecosystem. Unless of course you believe that when it is fully functional everyone's going to then decide to play by the rules out of respect for the official version?
Can I buy it? Nope.
Can I play it? Nope.
Not a Russian.
Educational fair use.
Besides, this is PC we're talking about. People will have the entire game gutted within days of the final version releasing and there'll be total conversions, texture mods, offline modes, custom UIs, and everything else under the sun. People remade tons of Halo 3 assets in Halo CE. You can't stop it, and it's only healthy for it in the end I think. Mod communities kept Halo alive on PC well after it's welcome and good for them I say.
I'm not saying there's anything we can do about it. Hell, I'm not even saying I won't give it a try myself when it's actually playable (I've spent countless hours on Schthack's PSO server). I'm just saying that we shouldn't try to claim it's something it isn't.
Regardless of where you get the files from, the effect is the same. It would be a bit like downloading a trial off XBLA and then working out how to unlock it without a purchase. Sure, they gave you all the files willingly, but you know damn well that you're not supposed to be accessing them in that way. I don't even think "not Russian" works a valid excuse either. They're not obligated to provide the service to you (another PSO example here, PSO2). Making it free still devalues it in the areas they are trying to provide it to.
No they aren't. But releasing it on an open platform and then crying foul when people tinker is silly. Like amateur hour PC developer stuff. Embrace it or get caught with your pants down when everyone flocks over to the version people will actually want to play. $10, Forge won't even be part of this game. $20, people will be unlocking Forge with mods and spending hours upon hours making that "perfect" variant of "Riverworld" (Valhalla) for Zombies customs on private servers. I say it's adding value.
So I guess next time someone wants to whip out that list of broken Microsoft PC promises, they may want to consider why the company is hesitant to put valuable software on the platform.
Backwards thinking. There are ways to combat this. If they would have had a way for all major territories to try Beta/demo this officially, this wouldn't be happening on such a large scale (and wouldn't have even made news on gaf).
Does that really matter to this discussion though? There could be any number of reason why they decided against that, from resources required, to localising what may be a pretty rough initial ecosystem, etc.
What they chose to do is largely unimportant. Basically the message being sent is that if they don't simply give us exactly what we want, when we want, then we'll just take it. Not in our region? We'll make it. Not entirely free? We'll make it, etc.
Pretty much the PC platform to a T. They don't want that, then they can release it on their controlled platform.
Right now though, there are no legitimate users, since the software is unreleased and people will tinker to see what's possible until it can be obtained officially - if ever.
Does that really matter to this discussion though? There could be any number of reason why they decided against that, from resources required, to localising what may be a pretty rough initial ecosystem, etc.
What they chose to do is largely unimportant. Basically the message being sent is that if they don't simply give us exactly what we want, when we want, then we'll just take it. Not in our region? We'll make it. Not entirely free? We'll make it, etc.
Its called knowing your market, which somehow M$ hasn't figured out for gaming it appears. They had the full choice to not release a PC Halo yet if they didn't have resources, couldn't bear localizing costs, didn't have infrastructure in place, etc... They could have also opened the beta to other regions but have the server structure in Russia (laggy. but still could have)
PC gaming is a global market. PC software in general is.
When I was in Mongolia and my PC died I had to get a new Laptop for a project, they asked me what version of Windows I wanted installed on it, yep full English Windows with NA key. And if MS would not have let that Mongolian retailer sell a US retail version of Windows, he would have put a cracked US version on it for free (yep he asked me too). Its they way of the Market, you have to adapt, just as they did for their windows product (and got a sale in a territory they might not have).
Modernize or stay out.
Its called knowing your market, which somehow M$ hasn't figured out for gaming it appears. They had the full choice to not release a PC Halo yet if they didn't have resources, couldn't bear localizing costs, didn't have infrastructure in place, etc... They could have also opened the beta to other regions but have the server structure in Russia (laggy. but still could have)
PC gaming is a global market. PC software in general is.
When I was in Mongolia and my PC died I had to get a new Laptop for a project, they asked me what version of Windows I wanted installed on it, yep full English Windows with NA key. And if MS would not have let that Mongolian retailer sell a US retail version of Windows, he would have put a cracked US version on it for free (yep he asked me too). Its they way of the Market, you have to adapt, just as they did for their windows product (and got a sale in a territory they might not have).
Modernize or stay out.
I can't watch many streaming services that currently cater only to the US etc
. and you'll just keep complaining in future Windows 10 threads about not getting your PC Forza.
How do you know its not coming to the EU/US? it most likely is, its just debuting in Russia.
Can I buy it? Nope.
Can I play it? Nope.
Not a Russian.
Educational fair use.
Besides, this is PC we're talking about. People will have the entire game gutted within days of the final version releasing and there'll be total conversions, texture mods, offline modes, custom UIs, and everything else under the sun. People remade tons of Halo 3 assets in Halo CE. You can't stop it, and it's only healthy for it in the end I think. Mod communities kept Halo alive on PC well after it's welcome and good for them I say.
Ignoring that that's not even close to educational fair use, you're defense against piracy can't just be "it's going to happen anyway."
There is a payment model at play here that people are circumventing to play the product entirely freely. It's piracy.
Ignoring that that's not even close to educational fair use, you're defense against piracy can't just be "it's going to happen anyway."
There is a payment model at play here that people are circumventing to play the product entirely freely. It's piracy.
What is the payment model? As far as I know no one knows exactly that at this point. We know its free to play with aspects that are micro transaction based.