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Anti-Gay Activist And 19 Kids Star Josh Duggar molested underaged sisters as a teen

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TimeEffect

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Somewhat related:

Who was that one woman actress that recently did the same with her sister, like last year? I can't remember what became of her
 
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Brian Griffin

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TimeEffect said:
Somewhat related:

Who was that one woman actress that recently did the same with her sister, like last year? I can't remember what became of her
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Lena Dunham? She was really young though and her sister was only like 1. Still inappropriate but little kids do weird shit and it wasn't sexual like with this dude.
 
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Brian Griffin said:
So by your logic the slave owners of America were not bad people since they didn't see black people as real people? Serious question.
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It has merit. Recently listened to two podcasts both on the rarity of changing a person's mind on core beliefs. Both went into detail about a program where gay people went door to door to talk about gay marriage after Prop 8 nixed it in California.

They'd have an honest conversation with people and along the line let them know they were gay themselves and how this affected them. A similar program was done with abortion. A lot of people were vehemently opposed to both practices, but after having an equal footed conversation with them a lot of them completely changed their minds on it (in the long term).

Quite a few of them hadn't ever had a decent conversation with a homosexual person or someone who had an abortion and could empathize with their situations a lot more. For the gay marriage thing they talked about relationships in general and I guess finding common ground on things made it less of an "us versus them" issue, which other attempts at persuasion frequently run into.
 
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Nils said:
It has merit. Recently listened to two podcasts both on the rarity of changing a person's mind on core beliefs. Both went into detail about a program where gay people went door to door to talk about gay marriage after Prop 8 nixed it in California.

They'd have an honest conversation with people and along the line let them know they were gay themselves and how this affected them. A similar program was done with abortion. A lot of people were vehemently opposed to both practices, but after having an equal footed conversation with them a lot of them completely changed their minds on it (in the long term).

Quite a few of them hadn't ever had a decent conversation with a homosexual person or someone who had an abortion and could empathize with their situations a lot more. For the gay marriage thing they talked about relationships in general and I guess finding common ground on things made it less of an "us versus them" issue, which other attempts at persuasion frequently run into.
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That study was completely falsified and entirely untrue. Link.
 
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mieumieu

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Brian Griffin said:
So by your logic the slave owners of America were not bad people since they didn't see black people as real people? Serious question.
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They are on the wrong side of history No doubt. But bad? A lot of them are bad or even evil, but I would be hesitant to call Everyone that harbors similar beliefs bad.

But my problem with labeling people as bad is that people are different and how they come up with their current belief systems are different. A lot of antigay people just dont know anybody thst is gay and just hear from stereotypes and such. I only speak from my experience (Im in east asia) but I believe a lot of them will change once they know more.

Im speaking generally of course. For activists though, there is no excuse. But maybe not... (see Ted Harggard)

Maybe because ultimately I think ideas are evil instead of people...
 
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AlteredBeast

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To everyone quoting me: Hindsight is 20/20. They are portrayed and act as very nice people. How would I know that they are also anti-gay?

I am of the opinion that ignorant people with hateful views can still be good people some of the time, but when they went through some of the same sickening shit with their son that they say LGBT people do routinely, it shows they totally lack empathy and are not following Christ's example. Golden Rule, Love thy neighbor, those that despise you, etc. Pretty disappointing since it is otherwise pretty amazing the size and cohesiveness of the family that they can have such hateful views.
 
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I refuse to believe it's just a coincidence that the state trooper Jim Bob took his son to just happened to be a pedophile. There's something going on here beyond the son. I'm not excusing him of his actions but I believe this is something he saw or knew his father participated in.

The weird way some of these hyper religious fathers exert sexual ownership of their daughters is enough to give you pause. Not saying most Christian fathers who practice the "promise your virginity to me and your husband" thing are pedophiles...but it's weird as fuck.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
I refuse to believe it's just a coincidence that the state trooper Jim Bob took his son to just happened to be a pedophile. There's something going on here beyond the son. I'm not excusing him of his actions but I believe this is something he saw or knew his father participated in.

The weird way some of these hyper religious fathers exert sexual ownership of their daughters is enough to give you pause. Not saying most Christian fathers who practice the "promise your virginity to me and your husband" thing are pedophiles...but it's weird as fuck.
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It doesn't appear to be something that's really a result of anything specific- non-offending pedophiles who never suffered any abuse are out there. Aside from having a ridiculous amount of dice rolls w/ their ridiculous number of Children, you can't blame them for having a problem kid. But you can blame them for handling this in horrifically poor fashion once they discovered what was occurring.
 
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This is why we should imprison minors who molest other children, because they might grow up to be Conservatives who have antiquated views instead of being progressive and having modern views on rehabilitation.
 
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Red Hood said:
I have trouble with two things:

1 - I don't see the age of this child specified. For all we know she's 16 of 17 and, while still a child according to the law, it's very different than an 11 year old child, or younger.
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You think it becomes more acceptable to fondle a girl while she sleeps the older she gets? Or touching a 17 year old against her will is more okay than touching an 11 year old against her will?

Can we please stop with the 'I need to know how old she was' comments?
 
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Well, it at least sounds like the parents, eventually, tried to do the right thing by sending him to live with a family friend and alerting the authorities. 14 years old? Man, what do you even do when you catch a kid that young doing that? I would think therapy and alerting the police would be the best course. I can't imagine how hard this was for the victims and families involved. Hopefully, he's really changed since his teens because, judging by the photos, he has young children of his own now.
 
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Apparently he told his future wife about it (and her I family I believe) 2 years before they were even engaged.

It does raise an interesting question - should something like this done at 14 or 15 be held against you as an adult if you never do it again? Other crimes are not assuming you are charged as a juvenile. I'm certainly not defending the way they handled it at the time, but maybe he was just a confused kid and did some stupid things because his family did a pretty poor job of educating him about sex.
 
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Verano said:
socially yes despite their beliefs
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Bornstellar said:
People with attributes that one considers to be negative can still be good people.
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Ferrio said:
Not really unless you consider a single character flaw totally invalidates anything a person has done with their life.

Good doesn't mean perfect.
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Totally not meaning to ask this in a condescending manner: What if he was racist? Just as openly and militantly as he is anti-gay? Would you still consider him to be a good person?
 
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Violet_0

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"Jim Bob then “met with the elders of his church and told them what was going on.” No one alerted the police or any other law enforcement agency. Instead they decided to send Josh to a “program [that] consisted of hard physical work and counseling."

why do they never call the damn cops
 
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Shuggananas

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Who would have thought a piece of shit would be a piece of shit !
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A 14 yer old boy who is curious and touches a girl is not a molester. He is a curious teen who needs to be set straight and that's what they did.
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Wow. Classy. Has 1200 likes too. Cool cool cool.
 
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Kangi

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Yeah, let's not give him credit for calling the police on his son because you think he might not have just because.
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See:

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Jim Bob told police in 2006 that when Josh returned home in 2003, Jim Bob, accompanied by some of his church elders, took Josh to Arkansas State Trooper, Jim Hutchens. Jim Bob knew Hutchens personally. Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a “very stern talk.” As In Touch magazine reports exclusively in this week’s issue, Hutchens is now serving 56-years in prison for child pornography. He took no action on the Duggar case.

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The alleged victims all described a consistent scenario of Josh touching their breasts and genitals and later apologizing. They said Jim Bob was aware of the situation and did not go to authorities for more than a year.
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His daughters were molested and not only did he cover it up for years, he allowed the abuser to live in the same house and face no repercussions beyond having to go build some houses for a summer. All at the same time that that the family has publicly taken hard lines views that gay marriage and gay adoption will lead to kids getting molested and destroyed by society.

No, these motherfuckers are not good people, did not do the right thing back then and are not doing the right thing right now. And gay marriage doesn't lead to molestation, fucked up conservative Christian patriarchy does.
 
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Siegcram said:
lol @ "anti-gay activist (!!!!)" being referred to as a character flaw. This place sometimes ...
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The man was the executive director of the lobbying arm of a registered hate group. He has fought hate crime laws and anti-bullying measures, all in the name of his hate for gay people.

[redacted after clarification of intent]
 
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Massive Duck. C.M.

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The idea is some people are reducing it to being JUST a character flaw.

Picking your nose in public is a character flaw.

Actively trying to fuck up people's lives because they're not straight is fucked and makes you an objectively bad person.

I think some of you are misreading Siegcram's post
 
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Siegcram

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Since there appears to be a misunderstanding, I think of "character flaw" to be insufficient as to describe just what a horrible person a self-proclaimed anti-gay activist is.

Actively working against the equality of fellow humans tarnishes a person as a whole in my eyes and isn't a mere speck on an otherwise perfectly acceptable individual.
 
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Red Hood

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If you read the update.. it's actually sort of the opposite.

According to the police report it's alleged that he abused his sisters for years; it started when he was 14.. his nearest in age sister I believe would have been 12. But the report has an allegation that it was several of his sisters. He had sisters aged 9,10 and 12 at that age. And it allegedly went on for years.

They at least admitted to a police officer (family friend) that part of the allegations are true.

The initial story made it sound like the Dad immediately went to the police, the truth is far from that.
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Ah okay, thanks for the update. In that case I retract my first statement, but it still feels like rabble-rousing to me. Him being an anti-gay activist, pro-gay activist or anything should, in my opinion, be irrelevant for this specific crime. Anyway, apparently he admitted so that's least of his problems right now.

joedick said:
You think it becomes more acceptable to fondle a girl while she sleeps the older she gets? Or touching a 17 year old against her will is more okay than touching an 11 year old against her will?

Can we please stop with the 'I need to know how old she was' comments?
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Before the update it didn't specify what kind of abuse it was. Statutory rape is still considered an abuse according to the law, even if it was mutual. In that case I don't call it an abuse. It didn't have the word molested in it yet.
 
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StanleyStutters said:
Well, it at least sounds like the parents, eventually, tried to do the right thing by sending him to live with a family friend and alerting the authorities. 14 years old? Man, what do you even do when you catch a kid that young doing that? I would think therapy and alerting the police would be the best course. I can't imagine how hard this was for the victims and families involved. Hopefully, he's really changed since his teens because, judging by the photos, he has young children of his own now.
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The authorities found them and they stonewalled. They covered it up for 4 years and said it was no biggir because she accepted his apology.
 
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tirminyl

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So, this family has an tv show. That question was at least answered as I had no idea who these people were or why they actually have a tv show but I guess reality tv or whatever.

Second - disgusting. You have a child molesting son that you let hurt your daughters and did not handle the issue appropriately hoping that he could just pray the molester away. And THEN you have the nerve to be against gay rights, anti-bullying and hate crime laws?

It's just fascinating that people like this exist.
 
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