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Rumour: Mark Cerny's team (Knack) helping out on finishing The Last Guardian

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JeffGrubb

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Knack was the first time Cerny directed a game I believe. He is usually into programing and design. Lets not forget he worked on Crash, Jak and Daxter, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Spyro... The guy had an amazing track record. Ueda is probably directing TLG not Cerny. Chill out.

Here's what I don't get. Why does anyone think Ueda is still "directing" TLG? It sounds like, at best, he's in a contributor role who is overseeing the production from a supervisory role.
 

KoopaTheCasual

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Then how is this even a rumor. I admit I dont know shit about the sony japan team and thought they just through knack people on TLG project just to finish it. Had no idea a rumor OF, TLG developers are working on TLG lol.
It's because OP heard something and thought that this was bigger news than it actually was. Pretty standard stuff.
 

viveks86

Member
I dont like people pretending to be insiders, the same reasons as bish/Kagari.

I just dont have any power so I can only let people know.

I'm not pretending to be an insider. I'm not an insider. Read the first page. I asked to be removed from the OP too. Geez
 
Or that it actually qualifies as a game....

I don't think he was arguing that Knack was better than Mario. That it was ludicrous to say Knack barely qualified as a game.

Although not really sure how UK sales numbers backs that up either lol

I'm pretty sure it's a joke. When Knack and 3D World came out, Sony fanboys obsessively pointed out that Knack outsold 3D World, usually neglecting to add "for one week in the UK" for some reason. Became a bit of a meme.
 

JeffGrubb

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So, I don't know a ton about Sony Japan Studios. I always thought Team Ico was its own silo inside of that. That isn't the case? Team Ico is just another name for Japan Studios with Ueda directing?
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
What could possibly be bigger? They can announce bigger games(GT7, GOW4), but nothing they announce would outdo this besides FFVII Remake or that supposed Rockstar exclusive.
Just from a personal standpoint. It was never something I was interested in since I wasn't the biggest ICO or SOTC fan.
 

RexNovis

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Then how is this even a rumor. I admit I dont know shit about the sony japan team and thought they just through knack people on TLG project just to finish it. Had no idea a rumor OF, TLG developers are working on TLG lol.

That's exactly the same thing I asked myself when I read it. Its a statement made from a place of total ignorance when it comes to the operations of Studio Japan and it was clearly made with the intention of stirring u fans.

EDIT: Can a MOD please either change the title or add posts to the OP to reflect the realities of this "rumor." Otherwise we are going to continue to spread misinformation/false assumptions about what exactly this statement means.
 
Knack is the worst game I have played on the PS4, so I hope they don't have too much to do with it.

Suppose The Order doesn't really count as a game, does it? I'd argue Evolve and Thief are both worse, at least.

Not sure how to feel about anything involving the Last Guardian.
 

Withnail

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I don't think people really understand how Studio Japan operates. The "teams" are floated around from project to project depending on development needs. "Team Ico" is just the name of the core group of creatives that are led by Ueda and the same goes for "Team Cerny" (core group of creatives led by Cerny for development of Knack). Basically the teams are labelled as such for whatever project they are working on not the people in the team and as such these teams can and do get regularly rotated and changed depending on the needs of the project. It's a fluid system they are not independent entities. It is absolutely a given that some of the staff from Cerny's project would also be working on the Last Guardian.

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Dude hasn't released a game since 05. Sony must be paying him well, lol.
He has been a freelancer for quite a while and I think he was looking into mobile development with Unity. Don't quote me for it, just an assumption based on his Facebook profile which he made private after a while.
 
We already know what happened with FFXV. TLG is a huge mystery still.

We know bits and pieces, sure. But, I mean like what went wrong, why couldn't they fix it, these kinds of details. Might be a good guide for future developers on what not to do.
 
The only news is: People are working on it. That's enough for me to know.
Replace "news" with "rumour", "are" with "were" and "know" with "hearsay".
 

JeffGrubb

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Here's how the podcast puts it: "[Cerny's] team is now running Last Guardian to [get it] finished."

That sounds different than some Studio Japan people have moved from one project to another.
 

score01

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Smart move on Sonys part. Using the Knack IP to boost TLG sales. Kind of like Starfox Adventures and Dinosaur Planet. What could go wrong.
 
ugghh and now people are going with the narrative "knack sucked so goodbye tlg" and they're gonna run with that shit until release.
 
Here's what I don't get. Why does anyone think Ueda is still "directing" TLG? It sounds like, at best, he's in a contributor role who is overseeing the production from a supervisory role.
Thats also likely. I said probably because I really dont know. Just making an assumption based on him Directing ICO and SotC.
 
Here's what I don't get. Why does anyone think Ueda is still "directing" TLG? It sounds like, at best, he's in a contributor role who is overseeing the production from a supervisory role.


and where did this shit come from?

he went from a permanent job status to a contractor. sis it say he changed positions at all? he's already clarified that he's still doing the same job a long time ago.
 

BiGBoSSMk23

A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
nah, it's real bad

I thought the final level was fucking brilliant.

It's an overall entertaining yet archaic action-adventure platformer.

I liked it.

Ya'll are shitting on it to seem cool.

Jk, have your opinions idgaf
 
Doesn't really make sense I thought SCEJ just operated as one massive team with people just moving between pods. There is no "team I Ico" or "team cerny"
 

Alienous

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If it isn't a case of Cerny and his team changing any of the core design of the game I'm OK with this.

Knack was badly designed but not a technical abomination. Team Ico games have top-tier game design but don't always perform well technically.

If that was a roadblock during development (things like AI and graphics not panning out) Cerny and his team could shape it up I reckon, sort of like Sony Santa Monica helping with Journey.
 

kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I could see how the basic concept could be reworked as a sequel to Knack. The Last of Knack it could be called. "Hey Trico, we really are the last of Knack."
 
seriously just lock this thread up as it is getting out of whack. first it's now cerny's team completely handling it and not team ico and then ueda isn't working on it anymore.

what's next, the catbird is going to transform by collecting debris?
 
seriously just lock this thread up as it is getting out of whack. first it's now cerny's team completely handling it and not team ico and then ueda isn't working on it anymore.

what's next, the catbird is going to transform by collecting debris?

Katamari Damacy: The Last Guardian confirmed
 

wachie

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I'm not pretending to be an insider. I'm not an insider. Read the first page. I asked to be removed from the OP too. Geez
Really? But this is so "pretending to be insider 101"
The Cerny rumor is... interesting. Funny I've heard it for the third time!
PSX was the first. Although the rumor was about Crash and not TLG. I'd rather not speak of the second time. We have enough rumors in circulation as-is :D

But it's interesting that it keeps coming up. Either someone is using Cerny & team's silence to spread rumors or there is actually some legitimacy to it, but they just weren't sure about the game being worked on. May be it was TLG all along *shrugs*
Anyway, you've asked the quote to be removed from OP.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Doesn't really make sense I thought SCEJ just operated as one massive team with people just moving between pods. There is no "team I Ico" or "team cerny"

Yep. that is exactly how it operates which is why this "rumor" is absurd.

Here's how the podcast puts it: "[Cerny's] team is now running Last Guardian to [get it] finished."

That sounds different than some Studio Japan people have moved from one project to another.

You're right it does. Which is why the guy clearly has 0 idea what he is actually talking about. If he does then he is purposefully misleading listeners to stir things up. Either way his statement is ridiculous.
 

BigDug13

Member
To be fair, he was also involved with the PS Vita and Knack.

Just sayin.

And from a design standpoint what exactly is wrong with the Vita? Are you saying it failed to sell because of Cerny's design decisions and not because it's a casualty of a shifting portable market?
 

Plasma

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At this point I'm not that excited to play the game but more interested to see what happened to it and how much it's changed since they last showed it a bit like Duke Nukem Forever.
 

viveks86

Member
Really? But this is so "pretending to be insider 101"

It's not. Because every random person on the internet comes across rumors. And I don't want to start spreading more rumors so I stated that I don't want to talk about it. If I were an insider, I'd actually not call them rumors. It's fucking insane that you would start this targeted accusations on me for the second time for simply saying "I've read stuff on the internet". All of us have, and I'm no different. Just stop, please?
 
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