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[Kalor]

It might be best to wait for the person who Pau saw to reveal themself although knowing who it is early on today means we have more time to discuss it.

OK, so looking over all posts you made D1 (about half of your overall post count). That's an odd definition of "vocal" you have there. You engage with Rest in exactly one post D1 (577) only to move your vote to Hagi once Rest gained a majority (1080). You also caused a tie doing this.

Also: Why do you not respond to the text behind your name?

Vocal was the wrong word to use there, I only quickly skimmed through the posts I made that also mentioned Rest in some way.

None of the points you gave beside my name was really stuff I could respond to.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Based on sawneek's fight club membership, absolutbro's fight club membership, and pau's fight club membership, I don't think that two of you are talking about the same person...

Just saying, I also think that person didn't act night one. Which I find suspicious

 

[Royal_Flush]

I actually don't think Pau should give away any specific info on her movement.

That's why I didn't ask which room they went in exactly or how it is chosen. I just want a general direction.

It might be best to wait for the person who Pau saw to reveal themself although knowing who it is early on today means we have more time to discuss it.

If they are Despair they won't. We have to discuss if the benefit of outing all Fight Club Members (basically having a Despair on a silver table) outweigh the downside (More PRs outed if Despair have a Ninja)

Based on sawneek's fight club membership, absolutbro's fight club membership, and pau's fight club membership, I don't think that two of you are talking about the same person...

Just saying, I also think that person didn't act night one. Which I find suspicious

AB and Pau most certainly are. Sawneeks may too, depending on where that other person went.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Terrabyte20xx 80% - Really weird play D4. I don't like this hole "But Despair would have done xy" defense strategy. It's exactly what I would do if I was despair. We however think similar about Fight-Club hence no higher percentage.

I was going to ignore this but...

You realize you practically preformed the same exact action that you claimed was your main scumtell on me. Not that this really means anything, just something I found interesting.

Now on a totally different note, has Kingkitty ever done anything to really help the town? I know he got a lot of negative feels on day one, which really don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but he's kinda just been cruising under the radar since. Is there something I'm missing from him?

 

[Swamped]

Just very quickly before I have to run off, I just wanted to list some people who have been flying under the radar for me. I don't want to get caught up in the PR map mechanics stuff, and potentially miss some Despair who might be lurking. This is not a list of people I think are scum, just that these are people that I will try to concentrate on:

Kingkitty, Zipped, TL21xx, Kalor, Goshu, Rest

 

[Royal_Flush]

I was going to ignore this but...

You realize you practically preformed the same exact action that you claimed was your main scumtell on me. Not that this really means anything, just something I found interesting.

Yup, a few minutes after I posted. Didn't comment on my own post since I wanted to know how you reacted.

 

[Swamped]

Also, since we've had two nights with no kills, we are in a fairly strong position. I don't mind if the redacted person/people come forward at this stage. But I don't feel good about forcefully outing them - what if they are the reason for the no kills? If they are still not out by Day 6 or 7 and still alive, then I would start to worry.

(Although, I have to admit, I'm morbidly curious about who this mystery PR is...If I were spectating this game I'd be going crazy right now, hounding the moderators)

Can't believe I'm still talking about this stuff having said I'm NOT going to get blinded by the PRs. I do still think there is Despair among the fight club, but I'm fairly sure there's Despair in other places too.

 

[Royal_Flush]

Can't believe I'm still talking about this stuff having said I'm NOT going to get blinded by the PRs. I do still think there is Despair among the fight club, but I'm fairly sure there's Despair in other places too.

Of course there is. I doubt more than one (or at max two if they have a night action PR) Despair are outside their rooms.

The thing is: Once we have one member of fight club flipped as despair any new fight club member will most likely be one of the other Despair member. If there is no Ninja that is.

 

[Pau]

Also, since we've had two nights with no kills, we are in a fairly strong position. I don't mind if the redacted person/people come forward at this stage. But I don't feel good about forcefully outing them - what if they are the reason for the no kills? If they are still not out by Day 6 or 7 and still alive, then I would start to worry.

(Although, I have to admit, I'm morbidly curious about who this mystery PR is...If I were spectating this game I'd be going crazy right now, hounding the moderators)

Can't believe I'm still talking about this stuff having said I'm NOT going to get blinded by the PRs. I do still think there is Despair among the fight club, but I'm fairly sure there's Despair in other places too.

I won't be able to most much until later to answer questions but I agree Swamped. I'm more interested in other discussions. I will say that I'm keeping tabs on who's asking questions and what kinds. I'm sure Despair would like to know why they can't land kills.

 

[CornBurrito]

There can't not be a Despair in fight club. Read Czar's pm. We also can guess that if there is a ninja then they probably cannot act every night.

 

[Kalor]

There can't not be a Despair in fight club. Read Czar's pm. We also can guess that if there is a ninja then they probably cannot act every night.

That would make sense if there is a ninja. Unfortunately that doesn't explain why we had no kills two nights in a row. I still think that Despair targeted a facility again last night to try to catch the lovers again to compensate for the first no kill. Though that is based on information that might be incorrect.

 

[Sawneeks]

Weren't you one of the people pushing the "dont believe in the Ninja because Czartim pushed that theory." thing?

Meanwhile, this is hugely fucking important. Czartim was the killer on N1. I'm also fairly certain that -someone- sold Crab's alignment away to Despair. If it wasn't you, it might have been another wanderer on N2. This mysterious wanderer that you and Pau seem hellbent on protecting for some reason.

Meanwhile Czartim claimed one shot cop. For that sake, we know he wasn't the killer on N2 at least. If redacted started wandering on N2 don't you think that's suspicious? Was he seen by you on N1 or not?

If this redacted only began showing up since N2 that would strongly suggest they are the new Despair killer.

Close, but not quite. I pushed for people to acknowledge the fact that we have zero evidence for a ninja in play. It was a point a lot of people were pushing towards despite having nothing to indicate either way. I'm still in that line of thinking as well, seeing as we still don't know one way or another.

Killing Crab based on his movement is still a possibility but it could have also been Despair's move to get rid of a very powerful Hope player regardless if they knew he moved or not. However, after assessing the map once more, my thoughts on the mystery player are...different. Maybe Pau and I did not see the same person...

I want to echo Royal_Flush and ask Pau what direction she moved Night 2. Not where she went, but rather to the left or right of her room only.

Dang it, I hate it when I break the code! Reposting for clarity:



I posted that because 1, I didn't realize I was the hammer (and seriously, do you think someone would post that if they were trying to be remotely inconspicuous?), and 2, because I wasn't happy about the snail's pace of the day (posts were nowhere near as productive during that phase, and I was trying to get that across in the text of the post). Trust me, I knew I was in for a coal raking the second the day ended.

Still, why end the day? What difference was it going to make? We are literally doing the same thing on this Day as we did the previous Day. Ending it only brought the Night phase ( and potential Mafia death ) closer.

Also, yes. Work against what the crowd thinks. "Mafia typically hide in mid-count posters" and CzarTim ( one of the highest post counts ) ended up being Despair. Nothing would surprise me right now.

It might be best to wait for the person who Pau saw to reveal themself although knowing who it is early on today means we have more time to discuss it.
.

Yup. If they really want to they may out themselves, although I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Sawneeks]

There can't not be a Despair in fight club. Read Czar's pm. We also can guess that if there is a ninja then they probably cannot act every night.

Unless some members have not yet made the trek to a kill. Send out the same person over-and-over in order to reduce suspicion on the other members.

I mean that would lead to any new 'fight club' members to instantly come under suspicion but it's an idea.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

That would make sense if there is a ninja. Unfortunately that doesn't explain why we had no kills two nights in a row. I still think that Despair targeted a facility again last night to try to catch the lovers again to compensate for the first no kill. Though that is based on information that might be incorrect.

I think it's just as likely that despair targeted the same room of the lovers both nights, and both nights the lovers met at the other room.

All this PR and movement and non activity talk is not being very effective, and personally I think directly harming pau and Ty4on 's game.

Pau, I do have a question, how much do you trust Ty4on? He doesn't post much and if he wasn't confirmed in a group with you we would be looking much harder at him. Is it possible that he is a despair aligned lover? That would be a twist... It's far out there but I know we would be looking much harder at him if he wasn't with you.

 

[Rest]

Rest 80% - Again very little contribution that I deemed note-worthy. Unnecessary heat against sawneeks at the beginning of D5. Additional point we can disregard if Kalor flips Hope: Kalor voted for you on D4 instead of CzarTim. This is a perfect opportunity to have a meaningless vote on a scumbuddy.

CornBurrito drew a map of likely routes taken on Night 1, and I feel that it's accurate. If it is, Sawneeks sold out Crab to Despair.

 

[CornBurrito]

That would make sense if there is a ninja. Unfortunately that doesn't explain why we had no kills two nights in a row. I still think that Despair targeted a facility again last night to try to catch the lovers again to compensate for the first no kill. Though that is based on information that might be incorrect.

I'm confused. My post was unrelated to the fact that there was no kill these past two nights.

 

[CornBurrito]

Pau should absolutely not reveal whether she moved left or right. It may reveal the pattern of her/typhon's movements to Despair.

 

[CornBurrito]

CornBurrito drew a map of likely routes taken on Night 1, and I feel that it's accurate. If it is, Sawneeks sold out Crab to Despair.

To be fair, it is possible someone bumped into Crab on N2. I only assumed it was N1 because kgtrep's stunt gave the perfect opportunity for Despair to vote out a known PR.

Regardless, I'm frankly still a bit suspicious of Sawneeks. While she has been able to answer most of my criticisms with fair enough rebuttal, I just can't shake the feeling that something is wrong.

I will say this isn't a set in stone suspicion. Sawneeks claims she bumped into Czar on N1, and we know Czar was the killer. However I don't believe AB saw her. So if she is Despair then she can't simply be the killer.

Consider this a very weak early vote, in the event that nobody Despairier surfaces.

Vote: Sawneeks

 

[Royal_Flush]

CornBurrito drew a map of likely routes taken on Night 1, and I feel that it's accurate. If it is, Sawneeks sold out Crab to Despair.

I can't find the map right now. But while it's entirely possible the Sawneeks sold crab out, it's not the only possibility. Crab could just have bumped into CzarTim on the way to his target.

 

[Sawneeks]

Corn the second I think I understand your reasoning you go and flip them. "guys please tell us who the mystery fight club person is" but "don't tell your night movement Pau it's dangerous" ????????

what? aren't both dangerous?

I can't find the map right now. But while it's entirely possible the Sawneeks sold crab out, it's not the only possibility. Crab could just have bumped into CzarTim on the way to his target.

If I sold out Crab to Despair then they better pay well and soon. $5k in cash, no less. Also a puppy. Seems about fair, yeah?

It is a real possibility that Crab bumped into someone else on Night 2 who has yet to be seen elsewhere or is not under scrutiny. This person could easily be Despair but, as Crab is gone, there isn't much we can do unless someone else moved on the bottom row on Night 2.

 

[CornBurrito]

Corn the second I think I understand your reasoning you go and flip them. "guys please tell us who the mystery fight club person is" but "don't tell your night movement Pau it's dangerous" ????????

what? aren't both dangerous

Pau bumped into Redacted multiple nights. And the route she could have taken to bump into that person is ambiguous, even if redacted knows which direction he went.

Giving a set direction she traveled in is far too much information. Giving the name of redacted is not.

I can't find the map right now. But while it's entirely possible the Sawneeks sold crab out, it's not the only possibility. Crab could just have bumped into CzarTim on the way to his target.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176290013&postcount=2916

 

[AbsolutBro]

Hmm, only seeing me on N3 does make a better case against *redacted*, but you could be lying to frame 'em.

I'm willing to give up *redacted's* name if there's overwhelming support for it and Ty4on agrees. But for now I think I'd rather just see people talking.

I mean, my N3 trip was an ordinary jaunt down to Zippedpinhead's room. You know who *redacted* is, so you can compare your trip, *redacted*'s trip and my trip and see if the story jives.

N2 is a little harder for me because of my seeing Salva. Did I see him because he targetted me, or just because he crossed my path? I have no way to know, so I don't know if/how that would impact my trip to Terra's on N2. I mean, I don't really DO anything when I get there, so it would really only impact anything happening TO someone.

Where's AbsoluteBro? Maybe he saw Redacted too and is willing to out him?

I'd like, when they get a chance, for Pau or Typhon to explain why they think hiding the identity of Redacted helps Hope. I've layed out my reasoning for why redacted OR AB is likely to be Despair. Pau didn't seem to disagree.

Sawneeks claims she saw redacted as well, but we don't know if it is the same one that Pau saw. But if so, Sawneeks saw them on N2,N3,N4. Feel free to explain to me the likelihood that redacted is Hope and NOT yet seen by Despair. Because if they are wandering every night (except the first, where Czartim was the killer hmmmmmmmmm) there's like zero chance Despair didn't see them.

Sorry, things at worse have ... escalated. I will pretty much only post evenings and during lunch/bathroom breaks on Monday/Tuesday/Friday. Doesn't help that the days I work from home are usually night phase :-\. I'll be around tomorrow though.

As for outing <other> or whatever moniker I used originally, we'll see what they say. I have to assume that since I saw them they saw me, and so they know who I mean, at least.


Going to eat some dinner, back around 2030 EST.

 

[Royal_Flush]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176290013&postcount=2916

Was that a service tweet for the map? Thanks then.

Otherwise: Your case is based on the assumption that crab targeted goshujinsama. I don't believe for a second that crab thought that goshujinsama actually was the switcher. Are you so convinced he believed the Mafia thought?

 

[AbsolutBro]

Things at work*

not Things at worse

 

[Royal_Flush]

"Service Tweet"... I really need to read my posts before sending them.

Spoiler

Or use less Twitter

 

[Sawneeks]

Pau bumped into Redacted multiple nights. And the route she could have taken to bump into that person is ambiguous, even if redacted knows which direction he went.

Giving a set direction she traveled in is far too much information. Giving the name of redacted is not.

If Pau and I are actually thinking of the same person than it would make a pretty big difference. Depending on the direction she moved would actually clear this individual for me. Or it could implicate them fairly badly. But I'm also leaving this up to her discretion as to whether or not she wishes to answer. Look at the map, think of where you moved, does it make sense for *redacted* to go that way? Especially considering who died that night?

Also giving the name of an unknown Fight Club member is actually a HUGE amount of info. It generally leads to role claiming which is not good at all, putting this potential Hope PR into a spotlight they might have otherwise avoided.

 

[AbsolutBro]

wait, CornBurrito, your map shows Crab's path as going to Goshu's room. My search-fu is failing me, where did he say where he went?

 

[CornBurrito]

Was that a service tweet for the map? Thanks then.

Otherwise: Your case is based on the assumption that crab targeted goshujinsama. I don't believe for a second that crab thought that goshujinsama actually was the switcher. Are you so convinced he believed the Mafia thought?

I assume that either

A. Crab believed goshu had a Hope PR and targeted him. The only other role claim during N1 was Makai I believe, and Crab openly didn't believe Makai.

B. Crab was conservative and chose to protect himself on N1, because that's what I'd do if I was Doctor on N1.

 

[Sawneeks]

wait, CornBurrito, your map shows Crab's path as going to Goshu's room. My search-fu is failing me, where did he say where he went?

We didn't even know he was a PR until he died. If I remember what Corn said at the time it was a 'guess' given what happened on Day 1.

 

[CornBurrito]

If Pau and I are actually thinking of the same person than it would make a pretty big difference. Depending on the direction she moved would actually clear this individual for me. Or it could implicate them fairly badly. But I'm also leaving this up to her discretion as to whether or not she wishes to answer. Look at the map, think of where you moved, does it make sense for *redacted* to go that way? Especially considering who died that night?

Also giving the name of an unknown Fight Club member is actually a HUGE amount of info. It generally leads to role claiming which is not good at all, putting this potential Hope PR into a spotlight they might have otherwise avoided.

Can you argue at all with my logic thus far that pins either AB or redacted as the killer though?

Despair has given Hope 2 free days. I strongly believe redacted is Despair, not a Hope PR that magically wasn't active on N1 which is the one night we know Czar was the killer.

Meanwhile can you argue with my logic that Despair almost certainly already knows the name of redacted? Redacted was active on N2,N3,N4. 3 nights. There's a slim to none chance redacted hasn't been seen at night by Despair. They know the name. The odds of them not knowing are too low.

 

[*Splinter]

Can you argue at all with my logic thus far that pins either AB or redacted as the killer though?

Despair has given Hope 2 free days. I strongly believe redacted is Despair, not a Hope PR that magically wasn't active on N1 which is the one night we know Czar was the killer.

Meanwhile can you argue with my logic that Despair almost certainly already knows the name of redacted? Redacted was active on N2,N3,N4. 3 nights. There's a slim to none chance redacted hasn't been seen at night by Despair. They know the name. The odds of them not knowing are too low.

Well I wouldn't say it "pins" them. You're ruling out the possibility that Tim saw Crab on N1, or that Despair didn't even know Crab had a PR (as I said at the time - losing Crab so abruptly probably hurts us more than losing the doctor role). Hell its even possible that Despair have some kind of investigatory role that targeted Crab directly (isn't it?)

Maybe AB/redacted are still the most likely, but I'm not ready to rule out other possibilities for no reason

 

[CornBurrito]

Well I wouldn't say it "pins" them. You're ruling out the possibility that Tim saw Crab on N1, or that Despair didn't even know Crab had a PR (as I said at the time - losing Crab so abruptly probably hurts us more than losing the doctor role). Hell its even possible that Despair have some kind of investigatory role that targeted Crab directly (isn't it?)

Maybe AB/redacted are still the most likely, but I'm not ready to rule out other possibilities for no reason

N1 has nothing to do with my argument, other than that Czar was the killer on N1 and REDACTED started showing his face starting N2.

I think Sawneeks may have been the one who saw Crab. Could have been Tim. Or Crab may only have been seen N2.

How does this change the fact that AB or Redacted are the likely killer for N2,N3,N4?

 

[Ty4on]

Now on a totally different note, has Kingkitty ever done anything to really help the town? I know he got a lot of negative feels on day one, which really don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but he's kinda just been cruising under the radar since. Is there something I'm missing from him?

Yes:

From my gut, I'd default vote for Kalor, going back to my original reasoning. For a more incisive junk analysis, I'll write something up on these two, plus some other characters by tomorrow, (either 12pm eastern time on the 1st of September, or 3pm eastern time, or 5pm eastern time).

According to Google it's now 6pm eastern.

 

[Sawneeks]

Can you argue at all with my logic thus far that pins either AB or redacted as the killer though?

Despair has given Hope 2 free days. I strongly believe redacted is Despair, not a Hope PR that magically wasn't active on N1 which is the one night we know Czar was the killer.

Meanwhile can you argue with my logic that Despair almost certainly already knows the name of redacted? Redacted was active on N2,N3,N4. 3 nights. There's a slim to none chance redacted hasn't been seen at night by Despair. They know the name. The odds of them not knowing are too low.

I can't argue with your AB logic as I am unsure about him myself. Redacted I can but it is due to the knowledge I have about room location and such, something I can't give out unless I threw them under the bus.

That is also bothering me as well. If this individual had acted on all Nights I would be less suspicious of them but as they did not move on Night 1 but have moved since them I have a healthy dose of skepticism.

I can not argue that either. Despair probably does know who this person is but not their role or where they go, something that could be discovered if they were outed. It is why I never went into specifics on my own role. They know I moved, yes, but do they know what my ability is? Where do I go? Is it important? Do I save lives? Do I block? Do I simply move about? It leaves Despair without a clear direction, something we need to win. Do Despair go after me at Night? Or maybe Redacted? Pau? Which one is the more important target? Maybe neither? Then who do they kill? It's this uncertainty that we need to keep about Hope fight club roles. If all roles looked the same on the outside then it makes it harder for them to pick out the important ones.

You have to understand that most people who have been 'outed' or have spoken of their PRs have gone in to specifics which allows Despair to categorize their kill-list and get rid of the most important PRs first. It's why I don't want redacted to speak.

 

[Sawneeks]

N1 has nothing to do with my argument, other than that Czar was the killer on N1 and REDACTED started showing his face starting N2.

I think Sawneeks may have been the one who saw Crab. Could have been Tim. Or Crab may only have been seen N2.

How does this change the fact that AB or Redacted are the likely killer for N2,N3,N4?

Without a Death on Nights 3 and 4 it is almost impossible to even guess who Despair targeted.

Night 1 was easy: who was near Francomp's room? ( CzarTim, AB, Pau )

Night 2 is tricky: who was near SalvaPot's room? ( ? )

3 and 4 could have been any room or facility, making it near-impossible to guess.

 

[*Splinter]

N1 has nothing to do with my argument, other than that Czar was the killer on N1 and REDACTED started showing his face starting N2.

I think Sawneeks may have been the one who saw Crab. Could have been Tim. Or Crab may only have been seen N2.

How does this change the fact that AB or Redacted are the likely killer for N2,N3,N4?

Right, my bad I got confused about what you were arguing for.

You are still ruling out any kind of ninja theory, which I thought we had agreed seems unlikely. You are also assuming that Pau and Sawneeks are redacting the same names, but I thought Saw suggested otherwise recently?

 

[kingkitty]

Yes:

According to Google it's now 6pm eastern.

i got distracted by other work

but i'll write something by at least tomorrow morning

or i could just not do that, and do something more interesting (for me) and make a role claim instead, what do you prefer?

Also, I'm pretty sure I saw a map that kept track of everyone's recent movements, would be nice if we could get an updated map at least once or twice a day phase.

 

[CornBurrito]

Without a Death on Nights 3 and 4 it is almost impossible to even guess who Despair targeted.

Night 1 was easy: who was near Francomp's room? ( CzarTim, AB, Pau )

Night 2 is tricky: who was near SalvaPot's room? ( ? )

3 and 4 could have been any room or facility, making it near-impossible to guess.

Who Despair targeted isn't super relevant for my suspicions. I believe they tried targeting The Lovers on N3 and failed. Then tried targeting them again on N4 thinking they had figured out the trick, but failed.

All that matters to me is who was seen on N2,N3,N4. Two people fit that bill. Unless Despair didn't send anyone out for two nights. But I'm not going to entertain that possibility at this time.

 

[*Splinter]

*seems likely

"Some kind of ninja" is still likely right?

 

[CornBurrito]

*seems likely

"Some kind of ninja" is still likely right?

I think if there is a Ninja, they can only activate every other night. That would mean N2 and N4.

If there is a Ninja, then that increases the likelihood that Pau and Sawneeks are talking about two different people. In which case we should possibly look for someone who was ONLY seen N2 and N4 but not on N3.

 

[CornBurrito]

wait lol... derp a Ninja wouldn't be seen.

In which case the opposite. Whoever was seen N2 and N4, but not N3 wouldn't be the Ninja and thus would be Hope.

 

[Rest]

B. Crab was conservative and chose to protect himself on N1, because that's what I'd do if I was Doctor on N1.

I don't think this is likely. I think there was enough heat on Crab from me that he wouldn't have been targeted N1, and I think he would have felt the same way. I also don't think he is one to let his power idle.

 

[*Splinter]

Who Despair targeted isn't super relevant for my suspicions. I believe they tried targeting The Lovers on N3 and failed. Then tried targeting them again on N4 thinking they had figured out the trick, but failed.

All that matters to me is who was seen on N2,N3,N4. Two people fit that bill. Unless Despair didn't send anyone out for two nights. But I'm not going to entertain that possibility at this time.

Hang on, I thought I was just confused because I've been staying out of the fight club speculation, but your argument isn't making sense at all now.

You say it doesn't matter what Despair targeted those night, but then make assumptions about who they targeted and seem to work from those assumptions, is this part relevant or not?

If not, can you re-explain your argument for me? Right now it seems you've made a circle and come back to "AB and redacted are PRs". Now I would agree that AB is pretty suspect right now and maybe redacted too, but you seem a lot more sure of them than I am, what did I miss?

We have no start or end points for the kills. Most of us also have no start points for redacted, and (as far as I know) no one has end points for them.
We also don't have end points for Saw (somewhere West) or the lovers.
So it seems like we have a lot less info than you are suggesting? (Or I've just lost track)

 

[Sawneeks]

i got distracted by other work

but i'll write something by at least tomorrow morning

or i could just not do that, and do something more interesting (for me) and make a role claim instead, what do you prefer?

Also, I'm pretty sure I saw a map that kept track of everyone's recent movements, would be nice if we could get an updated map at least once or twice a day phase.

something something Don't roleclaim something something. Unless it's crazy relevant and points out a Despair member I wouldn't suggest it.

Also I'm gonna echo that. I'm starting to get lost as to who moved what Night and I moved!

Spoiler

i would do it myself buuuuuuuuuut i have class and paper i should be writing oops

Who Despair targeted isn't super relevant for my suspicions. I believe they tried targeting The Lovers on N3 and failed. Then tried targeting them again on N4 thinking they had figured out the trick, but failed.

All that matters to me is who was seen on N2,N3,N4. Two people fit that bill. Unless Despair didn't send anyone out for two nights. But I'm not going to entertain that possibility at this time.

Might not be relevant to your suspicions but it's relevant to everyone else. Where is your proof they attacked the Lovers on Nights 3 and 4? Knowing who exactly Despair targets makes it way easier to find Despair. " Oh, X died so someone from Despair had to be at X's room to make the kill, meaning whoever was near there might be Despair!". They 'might' have gone there or they 'might' be here isn't as concrete or convincing.

also possible ninja. Schrodinger's Ninja.

 

[*Splinter]

I just read your last 2 posts and now I'm even more confused

 

[Sawneeks]

I just read your last 2 posts and now I'm even more confused

Glad it's not just me. ._.

 

[*Splinter]

I wish we hadn't lynched Tim, I'm sure he'd straighten all this out for us

 

[Royal_Flush]

i got distracted by other work

but i'll write something by at least tomorrow morning

or i could just not do that, and do something more interesting (for me) and make a role claim instead, what do you prefer?

Also, I'm pretty sure I saw a map that kept track of everyone's recent movements, would be nice if we could get an updated map at least once or twice a day phase.

I'm not interested in your role unless you are Despair. Then please roleclaim.

I don't have fancy maps, but here is my table with all movements. Top row (before the free row) indicates the target room. "UP" means Unknown Person

 

[kingkitty]

I'm not interested in your role unless you are Despair. Then please roleclaim.

I don't have fancy maps, but here is my table with all movements. Top row (before the free row) indicates the target room. "UP" means Unknown Person

Thanks for your table.

But my question about role claiming was directed towards Ty4on.

 

[Ty4on]

Redacted was seen N2, 3, and 4 and can't be an even/odd night Ninja.