The moderation wasn't the best, sure, but you're not going to get me to side against the fucking candidates who stand up there telling the moderators their own fucking websites are lying about their positions. That's ridiculous. They can take their persecution complex and shove it up their collective lying asses.
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GOP Primary Debate #3 |CNBC| Burning Bush
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The moderation wasn't the best, sure, but you're not going to get me to side against the fucking candidates who stand up there telling the moderators their own fucking websites are lying about their positions. That's ridiculous. They can take their persecution complex and shove it up their collective lying asses.
DeviantBoi
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Funny how the candidates complain about media bias...
The media are only biased towards themselves, ratings, and advertising money... the only reason those joke candidates get any air at all is because of that bias.
The media are only biased towards themselves, ratings, and advertising money... the only reason those joke candidates get any air at all is because of that bias.
Somebody has to carry that water.
You do know that you just described how they aren't a joke.
Puppet Shadow
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The short clip on the news this morning here in Canada only showed Cruz blasting the moderators. They actually asked about cartoon villains?
Veritigo_X
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That was a question for Trump. They listed off his policies and asked him if he was closer to a comic book character running for president or something to that effect.
benjipwns
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Vicetrailia
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CNBC did fuck up for lacking the proper substance needed. On the attacks it was a game of deflection anyway, but they were too transparent and low level.
But you know they made some serious money regardless.
But you know they made some serious money regardless.
Veritigo_X
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I heard some of the maintenance workers at my office (the only vocal republicans) talking about the debate this morning, specifically Jeb's failed attack on Rubio. They said it was "absolutely shameful" that one Republican would stoop so low as to attack one of their own and that Rubio handled it perfectly. "I'm about done with Bush."
Anecdotal as hell, but if these guys are done with Bush I'm sure they aren't alone.
Anecdotal as hell, but if these guys are done with Bush I'm sure they aren't alone.
Cymbal Head
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They asked some pretty pointed questions about the candidates' tax plans at the start of the debate, but once Cruz showed that you could dodge a tough question by attacking the moderators, it was all over.
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/28/9633420/ted-cruz-republican-debate/in/9385201
He was a blowhard if you watched any of the many clips of him interacting with people who challenged him. I don't know why anyone took him as a presidential candidate.
benjipwns
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This is funny because at the time I kept thinking it was candidates off screen, but in the transcript they're named and they do this a lot. There's one instance where one of the moderators interrupts to say they'll go to the female moderator as the candidate is finishing their last sentence, but then he suddenly starts to ask a follow up question to that candidate over her trying to question a different candidate.
And there's a lot of one questioner starting a question, then another butting in to ask a different version of the same question. Mostly John Harwood.
Lol you mad bruh? It's just a primary debate.
Latvian Hitman
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Exactly right. It sets a bad precedent, and while it plays well to their base, it's not going to help any of them with regard to swaying independents. Just a bad look all the way around, regardless of what you think of the job CNBC's moderators did.
Veritigo_X
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Great response bruh.
"These candidates can't handle simple questions about their own policies."
"U mad?"
Orbis Tabula
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Yeah, I noticed that once or twice. You'd hear three or four voices and assume they were allooking candidates, but then they'd show two moderators just refusing to back down. These guys just seemed so thoroughly unprepared.
Lol, you make a big thread complaining about how Republicans don't get the respect they deserve around here, and this is the shit you bring to the table?
boiled goose
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A follow up question should have been what marijuana overdoses?
Mixed message? What about alcohol?
Mixed message? What about alcohol?
RustyNails
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Asking the candidates to answer simple questions isn't a crazy thought. So it's a primary debate. Lets not ask canidates whats on their website?
Haha Republicans are such a joke.
You're not doing yourself any favors especially after your recent thread. Probably better to engage in a reasonable way.
Mermandala
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"Build a Big Beautiful Wall" is 100% Cobra Commander. Sorry Trumpets.
I would like to pose the same question to all the Republicans complaining about the librul media.
EatinOlives
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Level headed? Uh no, no he doesn't. He sounds bored, sleepy, or blazed. "Calm" and "presidential" are just about the last two adjectives I'd use to describe Carson.
PlayALLtheGames
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Nobody said that. Nobody.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I like how he tried to smuggle that in with the legitimate cargo haha
Someone should ask Cramer if bank executives should go to jail for the number of default and poverty related suicides and drug overdoses. At least GM didn't actually set out to design deliberately faulty switches in the first place.
Some of those mortgage products were designed to fail on purpose.
NeOak
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EatinOlives
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There's two things going on here I think. 1) a lot of the questions that the moderators asked WERE just shit and their behavior was questionable (interrupting each other, etc). The only thing that accomplished was give "librul media!!!" whiners more ammunition. And 2), what you said is exactly right. I seem to be in the minority on this, but to me Cruz's little rant about the "librul media" sounded rehearsed and canned. He just had that one saved as a zinger and it worked. Then all the other candidates started circling the wagons because it worked for Cruz, but they all sounded desperate in doing so. Christie saying the same thing whining about not talking about the issues, just after he himself said his dickwad "Obama disrespecting police officers" diet racist bullshit. Trump pretending he never said something that was literally in his own website. Rubio repeating "librul media bias" over and over like a kid who just learned a new curse word.
Yes, CNBC's questions and moderation were ass, but the candidates' responses were equally shit.
benjipwns
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I'm not sure he could have rehearsed the entire thing, he literally listed off every silly question they had asked of a candidate.
Cruz is well known for being able to pull off that kind of thing in the courtroom. So he may have just planned to attack them at some point, or it came to him then as an opportunity for a "Gingrich moment" for himself.
AstroNut325
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I couldn't even get past the "weakness" answers.
Orbis Tabula
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Well that's obviously because Ted Cruz wrote the questions! #followthemoney #CruzControl
EatinOlives
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Not the entire thing, but you could tell part of the response involved "OK remember the last several questions and use them in the response"
The big problem with questions like this isn't that they're too hard on the candidates, it's that they're too easy.
What's Trump going to say? "Oh, shit, yes, you're right, I'm Lex Luthor?" Of course he's going to say "No, it's a real campaign about real issues, you're just liberal media bashing me." You may as well write the question on a golf ball and literally tee it up.
The purpose of debate moderation isn't to write good lines for the moderators to say. It's to ask questions that don't have obvious yes or no answers and that can reveal the weakness of a candidate. You don't reveal the weakness of a candidate by saying "AHA THIS IS YOUR WEAKNESS, YES OR NO?"
RustyNails
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Speaking of which, Ted Cruz reportedly has audiographic memory. Meaning, he will memorize anything said out loud instantly. Also, NPR did a survey of all the candidates in both parties, and Cruz comes out on top as the candidate that uses the most complex sentences and language - partly due to his Harvard Law degree.
OuterLimits
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I'm a conservative and agree that Cruz ignored the question when asked only so he could gain political points. It worked for him though. He did answer the question later though.
Another interesting point was Huckster smooching up to Trump. The moral authority question was ridiculous but Huckabee made Trump look good..
benjipwns
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Yeah, he can be pretty epic, even as he's talking about dumb things.
LOOKING GLASS
Yeah, that was my main complaint about the moderation earlier:
I'm not sure how you can say that any of them did well. When they weren't whining about the liberal media or outright lying, they avoided answering the questions.
Orbis Tabula
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As long as you didn't drunkenly donate to the Carson campaign, I think you're good.
I was being imprecise. They actually all did very shitty, as far as I'm concerned, but almost all of them did something that will play well to their audience, which was their goal, so in that respect they did well. I hated every single one of them. But they all pondered very well last night, Bush excepted.
Veritigo_X
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I wasn't even playing games and I got way too drunk. By the time Christie was pulling O'Malley's line from the dem debate in reverse I was yelling at the TV.
Extra Sauce
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Jeb's campaign in a nutshell
Is Jeb not familiar with zippers? Apparently intellectual disability runs in the family.
Ok, I agree with that, which is sad cause they did absolutely nothing to explain their positions.
OuterLimits
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Cruz is too far right for me even though I'm Republican. However, no doubt he is damn smart. He will gain in polls after that. I think some Carson voters may go to Cruz.
Carson was absolutely awful. Only Jeb was worse. Carson also flipped his position on ethanol which Iowa won't like. This is not the first time Carson has said: "That was my old position it's gone.", or something similar. It has got to make voters wonder if he is going to change positions every few weeks.
Someone forgot to tell Ben he shouldn't abandon ethanol until after Iowa caucus. He did a bit better on some other answers, but that one was horrific in my opinion.
Well, they are financial journalists.
Nope just to Huckabee.
Glad it wasn't just me. Man being drunk these candidates made even less sense to me. They may as well been from another planet.
Next debate is in two weeks, I can see him holding out. He won't last past November though.
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