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Pokémon from the 3DS VC versions of R/B/Y CAN be transferred to Pokémon Bank!

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balladofwindfishes

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entremet said:
Probably not.

I'm guessing Sun and Moon has some strange translator that assigns natures and IVs since those values either don't exist in gen 1 or are calculated differently.
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Pokebank could make those calculations. In fact I'm pretty sure Bank has to make them, because you can see stats and gender and stuff in Bank.

And yes, stats are calculated entirely differently as of Gen III.

- Natures
- Abilities
- Gender
- Different IVs
- Different EVs
- Shiny
- Personality value (holds a ton of important information like happiness, shiny, gender, different forms, stuff like that)

Gonna be awkward when a Pokemon gets transferred with a male nickname, but comes out of Bank as a female lol
 
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udivision

Member
Anth0ny said:
Expected this. Only weird people thought this would be impossible/they wouldn't do this.
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It seems like the staunchest Pokemon fans ironically have such low expectations for Game Freak. The company can't do this or that, or this is impossible because blah blah blah. When it comes down to it, they can do what they want to.
 
woopWOOP

woopWOOP

Member
I remember transferring my level 143 something Rapidash to Pokemon Stadium and Stadium lowering its level (and stats) back down to lvl 100. I'm guessing missingo->pokebank shenanigans will just turn it into some random Pokemon instead. Or a bad egg, I dunno... can you even get eggs in the Pokebank?

Anyway.. this is great news! Lack of transfer options was the biggest reason why I wouldn't bother with the VC release. Heck, it's why I hardly replayed the old games as I'd rather play Leaf Green instead, then port my party to my newest system. Being able to actually play the old games and still transfer your monsters is amazing to me. Really feel like buying Blue and trying to re-capture my old crew now :p


Hopefully Gold/Silver/Crystal will get the same treatment in the future!

balladofwindfishes said:
Gonna be awkward when a Pokemon gets transferred with a male nickname, but comes out of Bank as a female lol
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Won't be too different from R/B/Y -> G/S/C then. Back then I was surprised to see my badass lvl 100 Sandslash was a lady after transferring her to a friend's copy of Gold.
 
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narton

Member
So since the game is out in Japan. Can they be uploaded for storage to the Bank right away? And will these only work for Sun/Moon?
 
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Finale Fireworker

Member
So, I'm sure this has already been brought up, but this is going to cause some really wacky problems with IVs under the hood.

Pokémon have 31 IVs now, but in R/B/Y, they only had 15. They also didn't have separate stats for special and physical attacks.

So Pokémon transferred from R/B/Y are probably going to have their stats changed in translation. They did something like this for G/S/C, but I don't remember exactly what.

It does mean that Pokémon from R/B/Y will have unusual stats.

Robin64 said:
Also it's going to have just "make up" the Pokémon's Ability, Gender, Nature..
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Totally forgot about this, too.
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
Finale Fireworker said:
So, I'm sure this has already been brought up, but this is going to cause some really wacky problems with IVs under the hood.

Pokémon have 31 IVs now, but in R/B/Y, they only had 15. They also didn't have separate stats for special and physical attacks.

So Pokémon transferred from R/B/Y are probably going to have their stats changed in translation. They did something like this for G/S/C, but I don't remember exactly what.

It does mean that Pokémon from R/B/Y will have unusual stats.
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GS cheated. In GS, the "Special" IV is shared between Special Attack and Defense. It never converted it. All GS Pokemon still only have one Special IV. It wasn't until Gen III that the IV was split.

RBY Pokemon will probably just be clones of your RBY Pokemon, with the same nickname, OT and moveset, but otherwise be totally recalculated.
 
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Anth0ny

Member
udivision said:
It seems like the staunchest Pokemon fans ironically have such low expectations for Game Freak. The company can't do this or that, or this is impossible because blah blah blah. When it comes down to it, they can do what they want to.
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Exactly. Game Freak doesn't do something (release old games on VC) and people start making excuses for why this MUST be the case and they CANT because REASONS. As opposed to Game Freak just choosing not to for no real reason.
 
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Man God

Non-Canon Member
Finale Fireworker said:
So, I'm sure this has already been brought up, but this is going to cause some really wacky problems with IVs under the hood.

Pokémon have 31 IVs now, but in R/B/Y, they only had 15. They also didn't have separate stats for special and physical attacks.

So Pokémon transferred from R/B/Y are probably going to have their stats changed in translation. They did something like this for G/S/C, but I don't remember exactly what.

It does mean that Pokémon from R/B/Y will have unusual stats.
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IV's are NOT an issue actually.

RBYGSC, IVs go from 0-15. Sixteen values.
RSE and beyond, IVs go from 0-31. Thirty-two values. Double Sixteen. Basically every value is doubled and you flip a coin to make it odd or even. Very simple.

EVs on the other hand changed a bit because they introduced a cap in Gen 3 of 510.
 
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Hylian7

Member
So if the bugs are still in, then this is the worst possible thing they could have done. I don't understand what TPC was thinking here. They know that in these games, it is possible to run into whatever Pokemon you want at whatever level you want, even above 100. They have opened the floodgates for Missingno in the current generation when this should have stayed as an entirely different ecosystem due to their buggy nature. Now online battling and trading will be ruined in the other games because of this.

People wanted these games to keep the bugs for nostalgic value, which I disagree with, but understand. Now hey crossed the line and are transferable to Box, that brings them completely into the gen 6 (and 7) ecosystem. Absolutely baffling decision, probably ruined the online community now.
 
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Jamix012

Member
Revven said:
Oh well at least that's there! Not all content is lost then (just... Surf Pikachu lol).

They didn't talk about this but I wonder if you'll be able to use the Bank to transfer between the VC releases on one 3DS? You can do that with the newer games, obviously, but the fact they didn't mention it just made me wonder -- I guess it is default functionality so... it should work, right? Would drive incentive to get all three on one's 3DS to get all 151 on one of the versions.
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I have a feeling this might not work. The question is at what stage do the pokemon become "modernised"? If they show up in Pokemon Bank without IVs and still with all Gen 1 things intact and only get modernised when they transfer to Sun/Moon then it makes sense that you would be able to transfer them to another Gen 1 game. What I think will actually happen is as soon as they enter Pokemon Bank they become modernised with no way of turning them back.
 
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Man God

Non-Canon Member
Hylian7 said:
So if the bugs are still in, then this is the worst possible thing they could have done. I don't understand what TPC was thinking here. They know that in these games, it is possible to run into whatever Pokemon you want at whatever level you want, even above 100. They have opened the floodgates for Missingno in the current generation when this should have stayed as an entirely different ecosystem due to their buggy nature. Now online battling and trading will be ruined in the other games because of this.

People wanted these games to keep the bugs for nostalgic value, which I disagree with, but understand. Now hey crossed the line and are transferable to Box, that brings them completely into the gen 6 (and 7) ecosystem. Absolutely baffling decision, probably ruined the online community now.
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Bank already tells you you can not transfer up any illegal pokemon.
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
GS Bank would be kind of interesting, because now they can't just scrap everything and start with new randomly generated IVs.

In GS, Gender, Shiny and what type of Unown were set by IVs. So rather than totally recalculate everything, they'd need to figure out what the Pokemon's gender, shiny and form were in GS, and then convert them to personality values.

Maybe someday we'll get GSC, but I think overall those would be harder games to bring back with Bank support.
 
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Magnus

Member
I don't understand why the Bank from the VC Games couldn't just assign new random values for all stats to the Pokemon you're transferring. Why is this hard to imagine? Is there some crucial point I'm missing that makes this difficult?

I mean, even if gender/shininess/etc all get changed in the process, at least you can transfer them.
 
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spyroflame0487

Member
Even though I know Joe is drowning in all the stuff from today, it WOULD be really awesome to get a comprehensive listing of all the moves/Pokemon combinations we can get now.
 
RomanceDawn

RomanceDawn

Member
Oh man! No Guard Fissure Machamp will be a thing!!!!!! No... it's too good, it can't be, can it?

I just can't wait to see what old moves will be available again for Pokemon that don't get them today!
 
Robin64

Robin64

Member
Magnus said:
I don't understand why the Bank from the VC Games couldn't just assign new random values for all stats to the Pokemon you're transferring. Why is this hard to imagine? Is there some crucial point I'm missing that makes this difficult?
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It could, but then is it even the same Pokémon anymore? Might as well just catch it in Gen6, given Gen6 already has every single Pokémon ever.
 
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Finale Fireworker

Member
Hylian7 said:
So if the bugs are still in, then this is the worst possible thing they could have done. I don't understand what TPC was thinking here. They know that in these games, it is possible to run into whatever Pokemon you want at whatever level you want, even above 100. They have opened the floodgates for Missingno in the current generation when this should have stayed as an entirely different ecosystem due to their buggy nature. Now online battling and trading will be ruined in the other games because of this.

People wanted these games to keep the bugs for nostalgic value, which I disagree with, but understand. Now hey crossed the line and are transferable to Box, that brings them completely into the gen 6 (and 7) ecosystem. Absolutely baffling decision, probably ruined the online community now.
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While I understand where you're coming from, Pokémon hacking will already do this within months (or weeks) of release. Online is already a jamboree of mixed-up monsters created unnaturally.

While migrated glitch Pokémon will make every Pokémon available in effect, it's a drop in the bucket.

And, of course, actual bad data will not successfully transfer.
 
entremet

entremet

Member
spyroflame0487 said:
Even though I know Joe is drowning in all the stuff from today, it WOULD be really awesome to get a comprehensive listing of all the moves/Pokemon combinations we can get now.
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Those are not guaranteed. They can technically disallow certain moves if they wanted to.

bizzarewars said:
Wait... How are they going to handle natures? Are they just going to be randomly assigned when transferred?
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That or a mathematical formula that derives those values from their current IVs.
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
Man God said:
IV's are NOT an issue actually.

RBYGSC, IVs go from 0-15. Sixteen values.
RSE and beyond, IVs go from 0-31. Thirty-two values. Double Sixteen. Basically every value is doubled and you flip a coin to make it odd or even. Very simple.

EVs on the other hand changed a bit because they introduced a cap in Gen 3 of 510.
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Yea, just simply doubling the IV would be a good solution. Just set SPD and SPA IVs to be the same value as well, because, who cares.

They can just clear EVs, that would be the easiest way.
 
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cyba89

Member
Will cash out for a Pokémon Bank subscription soon then.
I also still have to transfer everything from X to Omega Ruby. I remember the process of transferring everything from the three DS games to X with the transfer tool was tedious as hell. But now I don't have to bother with the transfer tool again so it should be fine.

When I buy a year-long subscription now I can still use it for Moon/Sun-transfer later this year so the price is good for me.
 
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Hylian7

Member
Man God said:
Bank already tells you you can not transfer up any illegal pokemon.
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What is "illegal" now? If you didn't get it via cheat device, shouldn't it be legal? Are they going to outline this?

If they did take measures to prevent this, then good on them. I'm putting no stock in it though since these rereleases are so lazy to begin with.
 
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Magnus

Member
Robin64 said:
It could, but then is it even the same Pokémon anymore? Might as well just catch it in Gen6, given Gen6 already has every single Pokémon ever.
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I see. I mean, I'm thinking about it more as an adventure, rather than catching precisely the right stats version of your Pokemon. I like this because if you go on a nostalgia trip and I play these games, you won't lose your Pokemon when you transfer them to Sun/Moon. It's the feeling that you're bringing your 'companions' with you, even if they're changing a bit on the way. They'll still be the right species, have the right nickname, and have the same moves, right?

I guess I just don't care about more detail because I was never a player that cared about IVs/EVs and min-maxing. Maybe this RBY VC bank feature just isn't for min max players.
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
Hylian7 said:
What is "illegal" now? If you didn't get it via cheat device, shouldn't it be legal? Are they going to outline this?

If they did take measures to prevent this, then good on them. I'm putting no stock in it though since these rereleases are so lazy to begin with.
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Bank will probably prevent, for example, a Missingno produced Thunder Wave Kanga. That's an illegal move only possible through the glitch.

Bank wouldn't care about a level 86 Clefairy you spawned from a flying glitch. And neither should anyone, honestly. It doesn't do anything.
 
entremet

entremet

Member
Robin64 said:
It could, but then is it even the same Pokémon anymore? Might as well just catch it in Gen6, given Gen6 already has every single Pokémon ever.
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I doubt this feature is about competitive viable Pokemon (especially since IV and natures will be randomized to some extent) and more about the nostalgia and novelty of moving your Gen I Pokemon to newer games.
 
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Revven

Member
Hylian7 said:
So if the bugs are still in, then this is the worst possible thing they could have done. I don't understand what TPC was thinking here. They know that in these games, it is possible to run into whatever Pokemon you want at whatever level you want, even above 100. They have opened the floodgates for Missingno in the current generation when this should have stayed as an entirely different ecosystem due to their buggy nature. Now online battling and trading will be ruined in the other games because of this.

People wanted these games to keep the bugs for nostalgic value, which I disagree with, but understand. Now hey crossed the line and are transferable to Box, that brings them completely into the gen 6 (and 7) ecosystem. Absolutely baffling decision, probably ruined the online community now.
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They'll probably have something to block stuff like Missingno but with the various ways you can attain Pokemon via glitches in Gen 1 it's going to be hard for them to stomp every single "illegally" caught Pokemon. Especially when, iirc, there's a lot of data not accounted for in Gen 1 to identify if a Pokemon is legal. At best they'd be able to catch illegal levels, moves, stats, and of course if it has buggy data (like Missingno).

But it's very likely, if they allow it, stuff like Fissure Machamp or Lovely Kiss Snorlax will become things in the new generation with these VC releases. Those moves aren't technically illegal because they can learn them in Gen 1 but the later generations (so far, it's possible Sun/Moon can change it) they couldn't -- those moves are no longer in their pool of moves they can learn.
 
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superNESjoe

Member
I'm not sure how exactly they're going to handle the different IV and Nature stat stuff, but you guys have to realize that you're the minority of Pokemon players.

To the vast majority of Pokemon players, all they really care about is the Pokemon they collect and bringing them from game to game. They don't care about stats, they don't care about IVs, they don't care about any of the deep competitive stuff. Allowing that to be a barrier that prevents the (arguably more important) casual player from transferring their Pokemon would be absurd. Even if this comes out to be concerning or awkward for competitive players, it's simply awesome for the majority of players.

They'll figure out something, and they have proven to acknowledge the importance of the diehard competitive players too, so I'm sure they'll try to keep it compatible with that. Just wait til we hear more.
 
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Seronei

Member
woopWOOP said:
Won't be too different from R/B/Y -> G/S/C then. Back then I was surprised to see my badass lvl 100 Sandslash was a lady after transferring her to a friend's copy of Gold.
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Wasn't too badass then if it became a lady(stat wise). The sex was decided by the attack IV in G/S/C if its IV was low it became a female.
 
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