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WSJ: Sony Plans New PlayStation for Graphics-Heavy Games
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MrCunningham
Member
I guess it is safe to say that Microsoft will be following suit with their own Xbox One.5, if true.
This E3 is going to be an interesting one for hardware reveals.
This E3 is going to be an interesting one for hardware reveals.
Lol, if they don't patch those games for free then there's gonna be a shitstorm.
Why am I even entertaining the idea lol
Aztechnology
Member
It's just funny to me that the whole position against this for most part boils down to "I don't want it to exist because it gives somebody the option to have something "better" than I do."
if you pretend that nothing ever got better then you'd always be in the same shit hole right, so what's the difference? just pretend yourself out of your miserable situation. right?
Do you realize how absurd this "just don't care about it"/"it makes no difference"/"Pretend it never happened!" thing you have been repeating is? Nothing about the world nor humans (except for some religious sects) works like that.
I think that's a really unfair characterization. There are some legitimate concerns that this could leave some original adopters in the dust if this really takes off and developers start crafting games around its specs.
That would undercut some of the implicit rationale behind buying a console.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Lol, they wouldn't even need patching.
4K will just work via the upscaler/uprender process.
Best you can hope for is a '4K compatible' sticker added to the box.
Remaking them in 4K is a different story though.
That isn't remotely the argument for most. This damages the entire point of having a console, which is a fixed platform and a guarantee of having games custom designed for your exact hardware for the lifetime of the device. This makes things worse for early adopters, worse for developers and limits the ability of those developers to code low level. We'll get compromises from every corner for this.
That's what I'm talking about, if they were to remake them so they render at native 4K resolution, then they sure as shit should give you that version for free if you already own it on PS4.
DarkConfidant
Member
Seems like theyre trying to fix something that aint broke.
The PS4 is fine, and the market has both a positive perception of it, and is buying a LOT of it.
This is not to time to complicate that, or make one of the models look obsolete, when it isnt.
The PS4 isnt an iPhone, and I dont think many will view it that way.
I hope this goes well, regardless.
The PS4 is fine, and the market has both a positive perception of it, and is buying a LOT of it.
This is not to time to complicate that, or make one of the models look obsolete, when it isnt.
The PS4 isnt an iPhone, and I dont think many will view it that way.
I hope this goes well, regardless.
Movalpolos
Banned
Omnistalgic
Member
I’m not talking about you when I said “I don’t want to game on PC because I don’t want to" I’m talking about me. People keep saying “you might as well game on PC”, or “i’m going PC if that’s the case, this is a weaker PC with none of the benefits” etc...And that line was used to express that there’s a market that simply doesn’t want to game on PC. and that’s who Sony is selling to. Sorry if I came off as harsh, but the tone of this thread was kinda crazy. Like people don’t get million of users only game on consoles or something and how many factors goes into gamers choosing where to play.
Aztechnology
Member
Just going to use my post from way earlier in the thread to save time.
The fears are unfounded and based on a lack of understanding when it comes to development.
Hyrule Warriors is a Wii U game. It was designed for the Wii U. The disparity won't be so great between the 4.0 and 4.5 as the Wii U and the New 3DS. Furthermore, the 3DS is sub-divided between the New and the Old.
I feel we are comparing apples to Oranges here. Sure there are concerns, I don't think it will come into play with Sony and the 4.5.
Astral Dog
Member
i like you
Lionel Richie
Member
This is ridiculously reductive and borders on strawmanning, a lot of people expressed concerns that go beyond that and if you read any page in this thread I'm sure you can find something you can properly disagree with instead of having to make shit up.
MrBenchmark
Member
I'm not against this in any way as I buy newer versions of gear all the time BUT I do think this could be a slippery slope and could backfire. It does give me a bad feeling.
Aztechnology
Member
Have you looked around there's literally people all over saying it would ruin their experience knowing there's a more powerful version of their system. This isn't something I'm making up there's tons of evidence here in this thread.
I've been jumping in and out of this thread since yesterday and for every post that actually understands the situation, the systems architecture and game development there's dozens fear mongering over how Sony will just stop supporting the PS4 and it will magically become worse because they won't optimize anything for it anymore. It's ridiculous.
The world is going to keep turning and improvements will keep being made. If you want static blocks of time with little to no change over years and years to suit your desire for parity then you're vying to hold progress in gaming back. PC's have been doing the incremental upgrade system for ages and its worked out just fine. This isn't even on the same level. This is two configurations compared to thousands that the PC has to contend with and generally work out fine. This will be a cakewalk for developers. It's literally just two different graphic presets.
King Gilga
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TheChewyWaffles
Member
There will be an iPhone 7 this fall. Time to get pissed about that, too.
King Gilga
Member
Comparing something as measly as a video game console to something as integral to everyday life that you use 24/7 like a smartphone is laughable at best.
Aztechnology
Member
Based on your past posts you'll have to explain your logic. So new console will ruin your experience when you're on a console. But you play games on PC to have the better experience. You've exercised your right to choose and are then arguing against its merits?
dano1
A Sheep
Well give one good reason why it shouldn't exist? I bought a day one PS4 and have money to buy a updated system that plays the same damn games that look better! I don't see a problem.
Aztechnology
Member
That's my train of thought as well. I have a PS4 in addition to my PC. Happiness lies in options. Why would I intentionally want to restrict the options I have available to me. I just don't get it.
dano1
A Sheep
Yep!!
bitbydeath
Gold Member
So providing you are aware of tech getting better then why stop others from enjoying it?
It changes nothing for you who can stay on the same system.
Nah, it's like how Insomniac are remaking Ratchet and Clank. It'd cost too much money to give it away for free. Unless PS+ subsidised the costs.
Upscale/uprendering should be enough.
Aztechnology
Member
It really depends on how they were designed. Alot of first party games that were made specifically targeting 30 fps with a specific texture set etc wouldn't see a big change. But multiplatform games that have a range of settings for use on things like PC would surely able to take advantage of the increased performance.
TheLaughingStock
Member
Some people complained about the PS3 because it was a trojan horse for non-gaming objectives and it had a crappy GPU. It was a sham and overpriced.
Cynn
Member
My reply was to a person who believed there would be no power advantages and cooked up the idea that it was all just to play 4K BRs and integrate the VR breakout box even though every single rumor and source said specifically that they were giving more power to devs for use.
I agree with all you said and will be buying both the PS and Xbox mid-gen models.
TLZ
Banned
Me likey.
Me want.
Giving people choice isn't bad, as long as both play the same games; the current one and another that plays at high/highest settings automatically. No one is forced then. What we currently have is good enough for most. I'd wager they wouldn't produce a lot of the 2nd version. It's more for the demanding gamers.
Me want.
Giving people choice isn't bad, as long as both play the same games; the current one and another that plays at high/highest settings automatically. No one is forced then. What we currently have is good enough for most. I'd wager they wouldn't produce a lot of the 2nd version. It's more for the demanding gamers.
Optimusdouche
Banned
That only argument is that people are not happy they don't have the best thing.
No it does not damage the entire point of consoles. The point of console is that its easy to use and cost effective, none of this will change. Two different versions based around the same architecture is hardly the apocalypse you claim it is. You seem to think games development is really fragile that it cannot accommodate this. Yes, the unending configurations of hardware and software on PC is a problem. But equating that to a whole two different models based around one hardware is being pretty dishonest, or just misinformed.
Having games guaranteed to your exact hardware? That's what you want? So you're going to be a PC gamer? Do you realize how ridiculous and contradictory that is? Every single thing you claim that a PS4 refresh will do to destroy and ruin gaming is a bigger issue and problem in PC gaming, so it really makes no sense to herald that as the reason to leave console gaming.
Also where have you been? Almost no games are custom built for any one hardware. All those console games you play? They are designed to work on multiple platforms, even all the MS exclusives, with no issue to their first party games. So it's basically Sony with the odd exclusive game here and there, but 95% of PS4 games are made to run on MANY different pieces of hardware and software. Even Nintendo will start making all their games cross, and we will not see a big drop in quality from Nintendo because of this, as you claim would inevitably happen.
Still haven't read any actual reasons other than being angered other people have better hardware. But I get it. It's human nature to spite yourself when you are angry. Although, I don't believe it for one second. Almost no one is going to abandon console gaming because of this.
You console game, for the simplicity and the price. Console gaming will remain cheaper and more simple, and the only difference is, at any given point, you will have more current hardware. That is better for the console industry. More options, more flexibility, and far more games.
Developers having the full 200 million gamers, as an audience for any given game, at any given time is an AMAZING thing for us gamers. It means, more games, better games, and riskier games. And that's all it's about. It's certainly not about the momentary and passing emotional blood boil gamers are getting.
Obliterator
Member
No its not. You dont need the latest Iphone either. There are cheaper phones that you can still call, text, or browse the Internet on. You dont have to go out and buy the latest and greatest phone just like you don't have to buy PS4.5.
No one in the phone world cares. No one in the car world cares. No one in the microwave world cares. No one in the TV world cares. No one in camera world cares. People that buy CPUS and GPUs dont care.
This is an exclusive console only issue, and it wont be for long. The traditional cycle is an old and archaic model.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Blu-ray? Even the Wii U switched to Blu-ray discs for gaming.
The format was needed for gaming so people can still buy physical discs, DVD was severely limited by how much data it could hold and would never last if we wanted games to advance.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yeah, need that new iphone to make faster calls!
PeterLegend
Member
We are console peasants no more brothers!
Let the age of reckoning come!
Let the age of reckoning come!
wonderful103
Member
Developers code to APIs
I really abhor this idea that consoles need to emulate the PC market. Some things don't need to change. We were doing just fine with 5 year cycles.
And it may just bite Sony in the ass, anyways. Considering the precedent they are setting, when PS5 comes out, I'll probably wait until PS5.5 until I take the jump, and I doubt I'll be the only one.
And for apologists saying that it is only jealous people that are upset, that's bullshit. There are legitimate reasons to be upset at Sony's approach. What if a game is designed with PS4.5 in mind and runs like shit on PS4? It may happen, and even if it doesn't it will open the door for this scenario in later gens.
I don't want to feel like I have to update my console every 2 years.
And it may just bite Sony in the ass, anyways. Considering the precedent they are setting, when PS5 comes out, I'll probably wait until PS5.5 until I take the jump, and I doubt I'll be the only one.
And for apologists saying that it is only jealous people that are upset, that's bullshit. There are legitimate reasons to be upset at Sony's approach. What if a game is designed with PS4.5 in mind and runs like shit on PS4? It may happen, and even if it doesn't it will open the door for this scenario in later gens.
I don't want to feel like I have to update my console every 2 years.
programmers code to hardware.
i expect 30 to 60 fps being simple to do but also things like nicer textures, effects, better aa method... they are all usually done during the course of development but changed during optimization mode... like UC4 rendered trailers looking great or for instance GT6s replays looking nicer than gameplay.
so quite possibly some game would still stay 30fps but with much increased fidelity... maybe this would be the most common course.
It would require a patch but that patch would not be hard to do.
katsubento
Member
Never thought of it like that. Interesting.
Hardware that is controlled through APIs, and further will have unified architecture between the 4.0 and 4.5. The only difference will be how rendering is parameterized.
What a stupid argument. I for one don't want to play against others online that have a better framerate/response time or a higher def image and so giving them an advantage, that's one of the reasons I don't play PC games online. Consoles have always had a much more level playing field online.
any kind of performance critical code is programmed with the hardware in mind, even on platforms such as windows, ios and whatnot. unified architecture and api's ideally only mean that the same code compiles across configurations, it has nothing to do with optimization which only really cares about the hardware because newsflash that's what all code actually runs on.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If we are talking about exclusives, these games wouldnt have exist anyway without a PS4.5
If we are talking about games that might run badly on the ps4, then point the blame at the devs. There are countless multiplatform games on the ps4, but suddenly it will be a problem just because of ps4.5?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Ok, so here's the slight problem I've been thinking about: If games are able to run on ALL PS systems from here on out, how will that data be stored? Is there going to be two versions on the shelf? One for ordinary Blu-ray and one for 4K blu-ray? Surely the data for 4K is going to take up a hell of a lot more space so are we going to be stuck with having to download patches for all the current PS4 games? If you don't have an internet connection but buy a PS4K, how are you going to be able to see the benefits?