http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.htmlI am German, and unless you can provide a source for that, I am calling bullshit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.htmlI am German, and unless you can provide a source for that, I am calling bullshit.
The trafficking is a problem in Germany but it's a difficult issue to solve, since by regulating it there is a market, but at the same time you have good safety nets for sex workers in general. It's ultimately better than having it illegal and also trafficking occurring.
There is good protection for sex workers in Germany. It's not perfect in Germany but police are very active in visiting and raiding brothels to enforce regulation and stop illegal activity. There are also a lot of gay brothels in the country (Berlin is after all the gay capital of Europe) that must adhere to the same regulation.
I definitely don't think it's perfect but I think it's on the right track in some places in at least protecting sex workers, especially regarding their health. It being regulated in Germany has made it much safer for sex workers than in other parts of the world where it's illegal.
It's a tough issue, but I really don't feel it's something that should be a crime. It needs regulation and protection while also measures to limit trafficking. It is at least half way to improving lives of sex workers, it's better than nothing at all in my opinion.
That's my line of thought as well. If it became legal, systems and regulations would implemented to keep both sides safe.It would be A LOT safer for the women if it was legal
Gemüsepizza;203017917 said:Haha what? No. By making it legal the police in Germany now has much less options to investigate human trafficking. And forced prostitution is booming in Germany. This absolutely made life worse for prostitutes. Most prostitutes in Germany are not doing this voluntarily, the whole business is still controlled by organised crime. And imo this absolutely warants a ban on prostitution. Of course such a law must be designed in a way to not criminalize the victims, but the perpetrators.
Trying to stop prostitution is laughable.
How is it harder to investigate compared to the US, for instance? If it's regulated, then that implies records need to be kept, licenses and whatnot. In the US, the whole operation is off-the-grid. Do you know how hard it is to collar a pimp or trafficker here? Much harder than someone doing it through established businesses with paper trails.
That was mistake by the case worker at the employment agency. (Apparently, the job was as a bartender.) Brothel owners may post open jobs through the agency, but the agency is not allowed to communicate them unless the unemployed person asks for them. The agency can only deny money if the unemployee rejects a reasonable job, and prostitution does not qualify as that.
I don't know if that's the motive otherwise the War of Drugs would be over.
It exists mostly because of the prison industrial complex.
I wouldn't be surprised if it more exists because a bunch of old men don't like the idea of women having the right to offer sex based services.
I wouldn't be surprised if it has more to do with a bunch of old men not liking the idea of women having the right to offer sex based services.
Ah I see, even then the sentiment that sex working is not a regular job or product remains. It's basically paying to abuse women. Making it legal won't make it less abusive. If a man violates a woman or does something she did not agree to initially, how would the man be punished? I support decriminalizing sex workers but going after the johns. How can sex working be a choice when most of the people who do it rely on the income to survive?
Gemüsepizza;203019623 said:Sigh. Do people really think this? Where I live, feminists are strongly against prostitution. Because they know that the women who are actually doing this by their own will, are just an incredibly small minority. The vast majority are forced to do this, and they are suffering. And with prostitution being legal here, those feminists also don't think that a bunch of old men "don't like the idea of women having the right to offer sex based services". They think that a bunch of old men don't like the idea that they can't visit those prostitutes anymore.
Prostitutes should not be punished for their circumstance, but I don't think it's good for sex to be an accepted commodity. The normalization of sex work is bad for both women and men, because when sex is treated as a product, consent is compromised. Unlike baking a wedding cake, sexual consent can't be reconciled with discrimination laws. Many prostitutes explicitly turn away clients of certain races, and many prostitutes refuse to patronize people of the same sex. This is contrary to the American legal system, but the alternative is state-sanctioned rape. In addition, the normalization of sex work has disconcerting implications for non-monetary sexual relationships.
Prostitution should stay illegal, but we should look upon sex workers with sympathy rather than scorn. Instead of sending these people to prison, we should help them find better economic opportunities.
That wouldn't really happen though. You could just go to a brothel and pay that without creeping or getting a drink thrown on you. It'd be like someone in a bar trying to buy your pants instead of just going to a clothing store to buy their own pants.
Gemüsepizza;203019623 said:Where I live, feminists are strongly against prostitution.
It should be legal in regulated brothels. Street prostitution should remain illegal, too many dangers associated with it
It should be legal in regulated brothels. Street prostitution should remain illegal, too many dangers associated with it
It should be legal in regulated brothels. Street prostitution should remain illegal, too many dangers associated with it
It should be legal in regulated brothels. Street prostitution should remain illegal, too many dangers associated with it
What's to stop those scumbags from incorporating and running legal brothels where they can treat their employees poorly?Legalizing prostitution would put a lot of scumbags (pimps/traffickers) out of "work." It should be done.
That would be the idea. Its the same with legalizing weed.
When its illegal, the only people who do it are crime syndicates since its big money.
When its legal, fucking Wal Mart is going to sell that shit. Crime syndicates can't compete with big business.
What's to stop those scumbags from incorporating and running legal brothels where they can treat their employees poorly?
Prostitution, yes
Trafficking, no
Let the women control the whole exchange safely and there is no need for it to be illegal.
Those against prostitution argue trafficking exists because of the demand for paid sex.
Those against prostitution argue trafficking exists because of the demand for paid sex.
Members of the human rights group in Norway and Sweden resigned en masse, saying the organizations goal should be to end demand for prostitution, not condone it.
Gemüsepizza;203017917 said:Haha what? No. By making it legal the police in Germany now has much less options to investigate human trafficking. And forced prostitution is booming in Germany. This absolutely made life worse for prostitutes. Most prostitutes in Germany are not doing this voluntarily, the whole business is still controlled by organised crime. And imo this absolutely warants a ban on prostitution. Of course such a law must be designed in a way to not criminalize the victims, but the perpetrators.
'It's legal to have guns to shoot the fuck out of each other but don't you gals be selling your thing for men to put their thing in, ya hear'!!
What's to stop those scumbags from incorporating and running legal brothels where they can treat their employees poorly?
Legalizing prostitution would put a lot of scumbags (pimps/traffickers) out of "work." It should be done.
Yeah, sure, but like any legal business the employees can leave. Lots of scumbag business owners out there. I'm sure you can tell the difference between legal and illegal.
That's incorrect.
Legalizing prostitution creates a "gold rush" effect, in which mass numbers of women are trafficked into these countries fur the purposes of prostitution.