Dubbedinenglish
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If only HE was here...
Funny is that he is actually a centrist.
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Young Blacks Voice Skepticism on Hillary Clinton, Worrying Democrats
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Funny is that he is actually a centrist.
TheLostBigBoss
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Well from my anecdotal experience, I've noticed that a lot of my peers who were Bernie supporters are now either supporting Stein or Johnson because they aren't establishment.
Even though this is, at best, their second election they were capable in voting in, with the majority of them either not voting at all in 2012 or voting third party, with them not voting in the off year elections either.
It makes me wonder why young people are so adamant about "establishment politics" to the point where they vote for someone who is 180 degrees of Sanders in Johnson, or someone who is a fucking idiot in Stein, when they have been politically involved for likely less than a decade.
It leads me down the path of apathy. The idea that unless something radical happens, something groundbreaking, that it's not even worth having a vote be casted because gradual change isn't good enough in their eyes, and because of that they will protest vote and show the world that Dr. (Nuclear power plants are bombs ready to blow) Stein or Gary ( Deregulate the energy sector) Johnson are clearly better options because they are outsiders.
I don't know, the entire "trust" thing is just stupid imo. Clinton gets major double standards in terms of being a politician, she somehow became the embodiment of how our entire system is corrupt and full of liars because she plays the game and "gasps" takes rich peoples money so she can campaign for climate change regulation, healthcare reforms, social justice for minorities. Some of this is just sexism (I've heard it), most of it is just lies being repeated for decades that it simply becomes facts to some (I've seen that first hand).
Also, like above, it's absolutely hilarious to see Sander supporters go "Omg why didn't Biden run!!!
" when he is far, far more on the center spectrum than Clinton is.Melkezadek
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People see what they want to see. Most people who I know who are vehemently against voting for her can't even articulate one policy point they disagree with her on.
if you're asking whether the tension between the centrist and leftist wings of the party is going to simply go away any time soon, the answer is no
Frustrated_me
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Hillary Clinton not doing well with the black community.
Black community at fault.
GAF.
Black community at fault.
GAF.
Elfforkusu
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If the system is built on the cynicism of preventing ordinary plebs from having any input in their government, then you're goddamn right that people are going to favor the candidates that at least pretend to give a shit about what we think.
TheLostBigBoss
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>Clinton polling above 90% with AA
>Random people say Clinton is struggling with AA community
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And when you graduate and get to Politics 102, you will learn a tried and true lesson, when your opponent is lighting himself on fire, get out of the way and let him burn.
She's doing very well with the black community. So I have no clue what you're talking about
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I feel like the people who feel like this never vote in a local election and have this mindset that only the national election every 4 years is the one that matters the most. It's like sure, she can be a liar and what not but what are you voting for? Her to make the situation better because she has the power to make these changes on her own? Did no one leave from Obama entire tenure that he needs people to make these things happen? I mean there are more complexity to these situations but these one time voters are so annoying if they aren't willing to make stuff happen from the ground up. At the end of the day, Donald Trump has his people to make shit happen already even if they disagree with him and we don't...
I don't know what you mean? Bernie lost. Legit lost. If younger voters want their voice heard. Get out and vote in presidential AND midterm elections.
Hillary's plan on mental health was posted a week ago.
Anyone talk about it?
Meanwhile Trumps immigration speech thread is 20+ pages long
No, it just hasn't been very recent. Trump's personality is dominating both sides right now. It's easy to forget things like school loan forgiveness when Hilary spends more time talking about how Trump is terrible. The information is readily available, and she plans to do some good things. She just isn't selling them very well right now. I think that's why both her and Trump's approval numbers are so dreadful. Trump has managed to turn this into Trump vs not-Trump
Melkezadek
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Her record shows me that she cares. Mind you, I voted for Bernie in the primaries.
And people would have more input in their government if they actually voting in elections other than the presidential ones. But that would again, require you to actually do something rather than yelling at the sky.
Mass Effect
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I honestly can't tell who is serious anymore.
TemplaerDude
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She might be scummy but the alternative is far too shitty to even consider.
Should be skeptical and critical of all your leaders. Blind devotion to those people is disgusting.
Should be skeptical and critical of all your leaders. Blind devotion to those people is disgusting.
When Hillary is President, my fear is seeing a lot of dismissal when people bring up issues with her. "Would you rather have Trump, lol." I can't wait to see that response if she doesn't do enough to address things like police brutality.
I'm not a big fan of her tbh, I will vote for a democrat but, I really hope her supporters hold her accountable...even though I don't believe that they will.
As a Black person, I feel as though a large swath of white democrats/liberals/progressives have a very lackluster attitude when it comes to systematic racism, and sometimes I feel as though they don't engage the topic or conversation with a serious attitude.
I'm not a big fan of her tbh, I will vote for a democrat but, I really hope her supporters hold her accountable...even though I don't believe that they will.
As a Black person, I feel as though a large swath of white democrats/liberals/progressives have a very lackluster attitude when it comes to systematic racism, and sometimes I feel as though they don't engage the topic or conversation with a serious attitude.
This was something that Bill Clinton should have expounded upon, or at least contextualized in greater detail during his speech -- what a lot of Sanders supporters viewed as patronizing and misogynistic (Bill let Hillary drive down South by herself, hah hah), was a pretty big deal in the wake of the murders of civil right advocates in the 60s, such as Viola Liuzzo.
She released a mental health policy plan a week ago
She gave a speech on mental health. It was really good. Media didn't report on it. How's that her fault.
Like you said you can look that stuff up yourself but you keep pushing this narrative she hasn't done shit which is false. So educate yourself maybe?
Bam Bam Baklava
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Joe Biden could have been a moderate Republican in the 90s but apparently it's all good because of personality.
Do you people even how realize how lame this is? You're putting aside policy and the implications on the future government on things that you'd vote for homecoming king/queen on. What a willful and inexplicable display of pure ignorance. I would vote for Biden, Sanders, Clinton or virtually any other Dem that isn't Grayson because Trump is a joke.
Do you people even how realize how lame this is? You're putting aside policy and the implications on the future government on things that you'd vote for homecoming king/queen on. What a willful and inexplicable display of pure ignorance. I would vote for Biden, Sanders, Clinton or virtually any other Dem that isn't Grayson because Trump is a joke.
Melkezadek
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Not sure why you quoted me, but yea, it's odd that people who claim she hasn't spoke about policy seemed to have missed that.
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Except he's not been burning. If anything, he's had a very modest recovery over the past few weeks - he reached a nadir on August the 7th and has been upward bound since. The time to get of the way ended like a month ago, and Clinton hasn't got the message.
I was just expounding on how people will believe what they want to.
'Hillary just talks about being anti-Trump'
Spiritreaver
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It's funny. I showed some people around that policy and the response was essentially, "Wow, this sounds great. I had no clue. This makes me want to vote for her."
It should've gotten more attention. Policy has no place this election.
Your first problem is assigning so much responsibility to the office of the presidency.
She doesn't make the laws, only signs them. Let's assume Democrats can't take the House or a veto prof majority in the senate? What is she to do?
Her direct contribution very early will be through appointments to the Supreme Court. Outside of that, barring control of congress, realistic expectations of what could and could not get done is functionally not going to be much different if it was Hillary winning, Bernie or Obama somehow getting a third term. The opposite is not true though, a Trump presidency would be disasterous.
And it was drowned out in media by her reaction to Trump's visit to Mexico.
andythinkpad
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Hilary is Wall Street spokeswoman.
IrishNinja
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as a BLM supporter, i like seeing candidates more towards pro-black issues...but this really isn't much here, clinton polls extremely well with older blacks who are far more likely to show up & vote
historically in favor of trump, as socialism fear and bernie in general would've very clearly collapsed in the general
historically in favor of trump, as socialism fear and bernie in general would've very clearly collapsed in the general
Same week, we have gotten more Clinton foundation media coverage and trump and that's about it.
Bam Bam Baklava
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This post seems untrue given all the campaign activities going on today.
That's just an excuse. If you're voting based on charm rather than on policy and experience, then the one who is problematic here isn't Hillary, it's you. There's no justification for it.
Melkezadek
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Did you not just claim that she hasn't spoke on policy recently?
Is it that she hasn't or is it that you don't care?
DontBeThatGuy
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I'm trying to put myself in their shoes here, wondering how I would react to this election if was just out of school, or some emotional, wide-eyed 20-something, and I'm realizing that not much would've changed, other than perhaps a more emotional attachment to my initial candidate, which is something I do understand. Trump is hugely worrying, and Clinton nowhere near.
I supported Bernie, and I would've enthusiastically voted from him in the GE, but I've also something of a pragmatist, always have been, and would've understood what needs to be done, which would've been accomplished without attempting to sew doubt, or regurgitating shit you might see on an alt-right website for fucks sake.
You said she hasent spoken about policy recently?
It's now back to the Trump train that people said she should avoid?
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I'm going via the 538 Nowcast and the NYTimes election polling average, both of which have showed Trump steadily regaining over the past few weeks. How they seem is, of course, up to you.
TestOfTide
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Could some of the people who hate that Hillary reaches out to business types like to explain to me what their alternative plan is for widening the DNC's "Big Tent"?
Like I'm not saying that business types aren't shady people, but let's stop pretending it's as bad as if Hillary were to reach out to groups like the Family Research Council.
Any younger people want to make money less influential in politics, there are methods that would not only be easier, but also more effective than just demanding campaign finance reform: Getting more and more people to vote and getting them to vote more than just once every 4 years.
I mean of course money is going to easily influence politics when only 39% of the population voted in the 2014 midterms. Such a low number of voters means that money doesn't have to influence as many people to affect the voting ratios.
Stop focusing as much on whether or not you have rich people throwing their money on elections and start focusing more on making voting as accessible and encouraged as possible.
Like I'm not saying that business types aren't shady people, but let's stop pretending it's as bad as if Hillary were to reach out to groups like the Family Research Council.
Any younger people want to make money less influential in politics, there are methods that would not only be easier, but also more effective than just demanding campaign finance reform: Getting more and more people to vote and getting them to vote more than just once every 4 years.
I mean of course money is going to easily influence politics when only 39% of the population voted in the 2014 midterms. Such a low number of voters means that money doesn't have to influence as many people to affect the voting ratios.
Stop focusing as much on whether or not you have rich people throwing their money on elections and start focusing more on making voting as accessible and encouraged as possible.
Polls always tighten before the first debate. Another thing you may learn in politics 102.
Something else would be the electoral college and how right now Clinton's path to victory is insanely strong. Trumps has not really improved.
And no one seems to be able to point to any of her votes to prove it. People just feel it.
Did you not just claim she hasn't spoken on policy?
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm talking about your post about Clinton not being out there.
Mammoth Jones
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100% agreed. I'd add people should be skeptical regardless of age.
Is that why she has a strong record of voting in favor of financial sector regulation?
Nice drive by.
Elfforkusu
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It's not either or, it's a statement that genuineness does in fact mean something. I'm not looking for "experience", I'm looking for judgment. Should I have voted for McCain?
Melkezadek
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Same here. Hell, even Bernie knows what is at stake. The way I see it, Hillary knows that she is going to be fighting an uphill battle when she takes office, from all sides. I doubt very much she's going to want to be a 1 term president, so that makes me very confident that she's going to want to move the needle of progress in a meaningful way to keep/get the people on her side. Her record shows that she has the ability to do so, and that is enough for me. (Which is why I don't fall for the "Oh she lies and will 180 on everything!" Yea... I doubt that)
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That doesn't respond to my point. Even if this recovery is something that most campaigns experience, it doesn't mean there isn't reason to try and prevent it, rather than just let it happen. I think you might need to take a course in critical analysis to go with your one in polsci, no good having the latter without the former.
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