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[Night Angel]

This goes for every religion dude. Stop being a prejudiced jack ass with tunnel vision.

Wait, you mean every religion has issues?

I'm shocked to hear that. Next time I'll make sure to criticise every religion after every religiously motivated idiotic thing instead of the one responsible for the current topic.

I'll make sure to bring up how stupid the persecution of gay people is in Christianity, the anti-science of the creationists, the unfair persecution of Palestinians in Israel, the genocides in Africa, and everything else in a thread about an attack perpetrated by what appears to be a Muslim just so I'm not focusing my ire on a single religion. Because surely criticising one means I have no issues with others.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Some good news for a change. No innocent victims and they caught him alive.

Are they sure it's him? I mean, are they sure that he planted the bombs?

They caught him in a shootout so he was a nervous nelly about something.

 

[NHale]

Youre joking right? Lmao how many wars have been in the name of Christianity. You really lack any understanding that the major religions have all their fair shares of violence and death based on belief and radicals from all religions cause injury and harm.


Like seriously its like people cherry pick for an agenda when all of these religions have hard violence in different passages and histories of violence against people based on that.

At least the Bible don't have texts about women being inferior and needed to be submissive to men's desire and wishes, there also was never a war fought in the name of Christianity where they burned people alive because of religion differences and the Catholic church was never the home of multiple heinous crimes of children sexual abuse.

 

[AtomicShroom]

Some good news for a change. No innocent victims and they caught him alive.

Are they sure it's him? I mean, are they sure that he planted the bombs?

Come on now. There was a shootout when they came to arrest him. Why would this perfectly innocent man resort to a shootout when being wanted by the police?

 

[radios shipping overview]

It's also about how ISIS' message appeals to the ego of downtrodden muslim men, who are offered the chance to become spiritual Rambos or whatever... Shooting AK's and fucking sex slaves in the name of God.

Right, this is a big part of why instability and economic troubles feeds extremist behavior and groups like this. You have young men who feel like society's left them behind and they have no chances in life, but they've got energy to spare, so they find some ideology with a grand narrative to give them purpose (redpilling, MRA, fascism, white supremacism, Salafism, what have you).

I feel like we're saying the same things but we disagree on how central religion is to the equation. It's definitely one piece of the puzzle, but other types of ideologies can serve the same purpose.

 

[platocplx]

I think what he's saying is that modern Islam has a higher degree of currently living people committing these radical acts. It sucks for the average Muslim who doesn't ascribe to these beliefs, but it still remains that this shit is happening whereas you don't see this kind of radicalism in modern Christianity, Judaism, etc.

Hand waving and saying "Yeah, well, all religions are bad" is something that doesn't need to be said in this discussion and solves nothing. Don't excuse one religion because other religions do it, or were more radical at one point, too.

This isnt true either. Where are you getting these statistics from? They all have awful language in them. And there has been more terroistic attacks on American soil by white men than any other group of people.

 

[FyreWulff]

And there is a particular religion that is objectively worse than others.

Before someone else claims that it's due strictly to geopolitical circumstance- read the fucking texts. There is considerably more violence in the Quran than there is any other major religious text.

You clearly haven't read the Bible or Torah.

It contains mass murder of non believers, forced conversion, forced continuation of a bloodline via incest, the "old age" equivalent of a city getting hit with a nuclear bomb because it was viewed as immoral, and a warrior bringing back 200 foreskins as a war trophy just so he could marry a woman.

Islam, just like Judiasm and Christianity, has sects/divisions/interpretations and they're not all the same. The ones that carry out attacks under each one's banner are a small, tiny minority in each group. And all 3 of their books have some really fucked up shit, but most people that go to services do it for the social interaction, not because they want to go all Banjo Kazooie on some glans.

 

[EatinOlives]

No victory lap, just disappointment that posters on the front page of both threads are more concerned that Trump supporters will feel empowered than determining the actual motivation for the attack.

Just blows my mind that that's the first thing that comes to mind for some folks. Every single thread, it's "please don't be Muslim" rather than "hope they catch the fucker."


And no shit, the problem isn't with all Muslims. Only idiots think that. Hell, I lived in Dubai for 8 years and have been immersed in middle eastern culture for a long while. But the urge to run to the defense to the religion as a knee jerk reaction to any attack is bothersome, as it attempts to shut down any legitimate criticism of the doctrine.

@ the bolded: What is this legitimate criticism of the doctrine that you speak of, that is so incredibly important to have right at this moment (the moment when most Islamaphobes simply say "fuck Muslims!" and leave the room)? You complained about posts in the first page, but at that moment the news is breaking and the information is almost nonexistent. You want them to "determine the motivation for the attack" at that moment when the public knows nothing? All they can hope for is that it won't play into a larger political shitstorm that will serve no one.

You sure seem more concerned to wag your finger than to have this oh-so-important legitimate criticism about Islam doctrine.

 

[HStallion]

I think what he's saying is that modern Islam has a higher degree of currently living people committing these radical acts. It sucks for the average Muslim who doesn't ascribe to these beliefs, but it still remains that this shit is happening whereas you don't see this kind of radicalism in modern Christianity, Judaism, etc.

Hand waving and saying "Yeah, well, all religions are bad" is something that doesn't need to be said in this discussion and solves nothing. Don't excuse one religion because other religions do it, or were more radical at one point, too.

I wasn't hand waving anything. I was making a point that the Koran doesn't have some monopoly on horrible events or even come far in front of other religious texts. That's not spinning it or disingenuous, it's just how these religo books are. They also all talk about giving to the poor, being kind to your neighbors, etc. but I don't see anyone pointing at Christanity and going,"Hey look at how nice they are in their holy book. They are such good guys all around!" when people certainly do the opposite concerning Muslims and the Koran.

 

[Audioboxer]

It does come off as ignorant as you cherry pick the stories that push your agenda and make these over arching loaded statements that do come off as ignorant and prejudiced. I could link a dozen stories about how Muslims and mosques have come together with their communities to do good and make some silly statement on the opposite end about how there are no bad Muslims ever.

Please tell me where I said good and bad doesn't co-exist? The issue with the bad is people die. I mean if the bad examples I "cherry pick" were just about people getting inconvenienced by getting called names for being non-believers or public transport being late because "bad" groups were protesting LGBT equal marriage laws, okay, it's not that big a deal. Much like the Westboro Baptist Church. It's a smear on Americas image, but they largely do disgusting protests, not killing or raping of people or supplying guns/radicalized citizens to groups abroad.

When people die though, I mean, fucking hell, people DYING. As in life coming to an end, I've got zero problems drawing attention to a serious problem by "cherry picking". Rape and abuse of women/children is damn close to death as well, as many of these people probably "wish" they were dead going through what they do.

So forgive me if I focus a bit more on death and serious human rights abuses over always having to disclaimer my posts with "check out what this good religious community done!". I know good is done, and it's great and hats off to those people, but largely I want the bad stopped, understood and spoken about openly and honestly to try and progress humanity.

 

[Maxim726X]

Absolutely disgusting. I cant believe(well i can because hatred) that people believe that bullshit.

Except- Plenty of analysis actually exists.

As a percentage, more of the Quran has reference to violence than any other text. I mean, this shit isn't hard. I'm assuming you've heard of Google?

 

[JzeroT1437]

Some good news for a change. No innocent victims and they caught him alive.

Are they sure it's him? I mean, are they sure that he planted the bombs?

He engaged in a shootout with the police. Even if it turned out not to be him, that's not the appropriate way to handle a situation.

 

[BearPawB]

Hateful people take all forms.
I am glad they caught him and he wasn't able to cause any serious damage

 

[platocplx]

At least the Bible don't have texts about women being inferior and needed to be submissive to men's desire and wishes, there also was never a war fought in the name of Christianity where they burned people alive because of religion differences and the Catholic church was never the home of multiple heinous crimes of children sexual abuse.

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

 

[Jumeira]

Happy to hear the prick has been caught.

Because radicalisation happens largely in part because of ISIS? I mean sure, stick your head in the sand and just chalk ISIS up to the "not real Muslims" all you want while the vile fucks that are ISIS make headway in your own country. The rest of us wanting to see these hellish times disappear will do everything to try and understand how homegrown terrorists come about from being radicalised largely in thanks to social media and access to ISIS magazines/text/teachings (which shock horror many of them quote from the Koran!!!). It's not just social media though, radicalisation happens via Mosques as well. Many of which the authorities get too scared to deal with in fear of being called Islamophobic. Go have a look at the Rotherham rape gangs in the UK and the failings of the British police and come back to me and say, well you know, it's good they (the police) stopped themselves getting called Islamophobic!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

Dont know where to start with this one, wholly inaccurate and serves to only cloud the issue even further. Some of what you mentioned is right, there are extremist muslims that are, in their minds waging a war against the west, your completely wrong to link Rotherham case to Islamic extremism, theres no religious link apart from those convicted are muslims, but thier actions arnt religiously motivated, they're just scum, their own community requested they get the maximum sentence possible, under Islamic law they'd be in serious trouble. Its like linking white criminals together based on the their skin colour or love for fish and chips, its a loose connection if at all. Back to extremists, they are shunned by the wider community and practice in hiding (im speaking in UK), they believe 99% of muslims are kafir (non muslims) and feel its ok to harm them along with others, as i type this 2 muslims have been killed this year in UK by ISIS followers, they practice a violent, alien interpretation and believe its open season on anyone they feel isn't muslim (most muslims). Your post really does reek of complete misunderstanding and lack of exposure to Islam/Muslims, comes off as being completely clueless.

 

[3N16MA]

What a vile piece of shit. Glad they caught him.

 

[Palette Swap]

Homeless people alerted the police.

Make Varys head of homeland security, with a large network of informants, reward them with homes, rename to Homeless Security.

 

[platocplx]

Except- Plenty of analysis actually exists.

As a percentage, more of the Quran has reference to violence than any other text. I mean, this shit isn't hard. I'm assuming you've heard of Google?

You can Google anything to confirm your shitty biases. Listen if you want to be bigoted towards an entire people thats on you.

 

[antispin]

This is on point. People suggesting Islam is uniquely violent just don't know history and don't know how we got to where we are today -- they're taking current events out of the context of history and only looking at the surface. This has more to do with human nature than religious extremism.


Want to reduce religious extremism? Look at what works:

Police in a town in Denmark have achieved real, measurable success by offering help instead of continuing discrimination:


http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...town-helped-young-muslims-turn-away-from-isis

Inclusivity and diversity make society less religious:



http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/religious-diversity-may-be-making-america-less-religious/

"Having the ability to lambast Islamic belief and doctrine without being called Islamophobic?" is not a solution, it's just a way for you to feel better by punching down. People like Malala show how to talk about specific issues without adopting unproductive islamaphobic language. The police in Aarhus show how to effectively combat the radicalization we grapple with today.

Great post.

 

[RustyNails]

Wait, you mean every religion has issues?

I'm shocked to hear that. Next time I'll make sure to criticise every religion after every religiously motivated idiotic thing instead of the one responsible for the current topic.

I'll make sure to bring up how stupid the persecution of gay people is in Christianity, the anti-science of the creationists, the unfair persecution of Palestinians in Israel, the genocides in Africa, and everything else in a thread about an attack perpetrated by what appears to be a Muslim just so I'm not focusing my ire on a single religion. Because surely criticising one means I have no issues with others.

Why are you sure that he was motivated by Islam, and not by US' foreign policy mishaps? To simply say he was motivated by religion, you are playing a dangerous game by raising suspicion about all the Muslim immigrants in US.

 

[HStallion]

Please tell me where I said good and bad doesn't co-exist? The issue with the bad is people die. I mean if the bad examples I "cherry pick" were just about people getting inconvenienced by getting called names for being non-believers or public transport being late because "bad" groups were protesting LGBT equal marriage laws, okay, it's not that big a deal. Much like the Westboro Baptist Church. It's a smear on Americas image, but they largely do disgusting protests, not killing or raping of people.

When people die though, I mean, fucking hell, people DYING. As in life coming to an end, I've got zero problems drawing attention to a serious problem. Rape and abuse of women/children is damn close to death as well, as many of these people probably "wish" they were dead going through what they do.

So you ignore any good any focus on the acts of evil? Seems pretty willfully ignorant and prejudiced.

 

[mmazurkiewicz]

Come on now. There was a shootout when they came to arrest him. Why would this perfectly innocent man resort to a shootout when being wanted by the police?

The reason they even went after this guy is that his fingerprint was found on one of the bombs.
Obviously he's involved in some way.

 

[Henkka]

Happy to hear the prick has been caught.



Dont know where to start with this one, wholly inaccurate and serves to only cloud the issue even further. Some of what you mentioned is right, there are extremist muslims that are, in their minds waging a war against the west, your completely wrong to link Rotherham case to Islamic extremism, theres no religious link apart from those convicted are muslims, but thier actions arnt religiously motivated, they're just scum, their own community requested they get the maximum sentence possible, under Islamic law they'd be in serious trouble. Its like linking white criminals together based on the their skin colour or love for fish and chips, its a loose connection if at all. Back to extremists, they are shunned by the wider community and practice in hiding (im speaking in UK), they believe 99% of muslims are kafir (non muslims) and feel its ok to harm them along with others, as i type this 2 muslims have been killed this year in UK by ISIS followers, they practice a violent, alien interpretation and believe its open season on anyone they feel isn't muslim (most muslims). Your post really does reek of complete misunderstanding and lack of exposure to Islam/Muslims, comes off as being completely clueless.

I think his point was that the fear of being accused of islamophobia or racism impeded investigation, not that the rapes were motivated by religion.

 

[the_sun_king]

Glad they got him.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Except- Plenty of analysis actually exists.

As a percentage, more of the Quran has reference to violence than any other text. I mean, this shit isn't hard. I'm assuming you've heard of Google?

You make the claim. You provide the source.

 

[Maxim726X]

You can Google anything to confirm your shitty biases. Listen if you want to be bigoted towards an entire people thats on you.

... Or, one actually has more reference to violence than the other? You know, by counting mentions of violence?

Is this real?

And this has nothing to do with bigotry. People can choose to accept or ignore whatever their specific Holy text asks of them. That's not what's being discussed.

 

[spekkeh]

This isnt true either. Where are you getting these statistics from? They all have awful language in them. And there has been more terroistic attacks on American soil by white men than any other group of people.

Why are you talking about American soil? Or even white men for that matter?

Currently the statistics are pretty clear.

****

Oh daily mail got banned, oh well.

 

[HStallion]

This thread just proves people should read these texts they talk so much about and make some huge claims over.

 

[platocplx]

... Or, one actually has more reference to violence than the other? You know, by counting mentions of violence?

Is this real?

And this has nothing to do with bigotry. People can choose to accept or ignore whatever their specific Holy text asks of them. That's not what's being discussed.

Yes its real. You are making it as if their religion is violent or whatever. You have yet to post anything remotely supporting that. And please no random blogs or posts from. Info sites. I want academic evidence of your claims. Because if not you are pretty much a bigot.

 

[DrFunk]

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NEW: Linden, NJ mayor says Ahmad Rahami found sleeping in hallway by bar owner; police called in, recognized him.

what a damn idiot

 

[Audioboxer]

Happy to hear the prick has been caught.



Dont know where to start with this one, wholly inaccurate and serves to only cloud the issue even further. Some of what you mentioned is right, there are extremist muslims that are, in their minds waging a war against the west, your completely wrong to link Rotherham case to Islamic extremism, theres no religious link apart from those convicted are muslims, but thier actions arnt religiously motivated, they're just scum, their own community requested they get the maximum sentence possible, under Islamic law they'd be in serious trouble. Its like linking white criminals together based on the their skin colour or love for fish and chips, its a loose connection if at all. Back to extremists, they are shunned by the wider community and practice in hiding (im speaking in UK), they believe 99% of muslims are kafir (non muslims) and feel its ok to harm them along with others, as i type this 2 muslims have been killed this year in UK by ISIS followers, they practice a violent, alien interpretation and believe its open season on anyone they feel isn't muslim (most muslims). Your post really does reek of complete misunderstanding and lack of exposure to Islam/Muslims, comes off as being completely clueless.

It is a problem because the police were deer in headlights due to "Islamophobia". I don't know how you or others on here cannot see that the race to claim "Islamophobia" is literally causing people to be so scared to tackle extremism it can produce a disgusting situation such as Rotherham. The fear of being tarred a bigot/racist unjustly ends up paralyzing even law enforcement as let us be honest, who wants their career and public/private life completely destroyed by a mass of "Islamophobia" chants?

So you ignore any good any focus on the acts of evil? Seems pretty willfully ignorant and prejudiced.

No, I thank people for the good, but focus on trying to stop the bad because people are fucking dying. Priorities. I mean, I and everyone else could spend everyday of our lives just focusing on the good and the bad will just go away, right? Best stick our heads in the sand as not to be called ignorant, prejudiced, bigots, etc?

That happens far too often these days and it leads as I said to people dying/being raped/abused and on the political side it leads to assholes like Donald Trump filling a vacuum the left has created as it's soo scared of itself to have an open and honest conversation.

 

[platocplx]

This thread just proves people should read these texts they talk so much about and make some huge claims over.

They dont. They..like many people just believe what ever they are being told. Its clear people have a very awful understanding of religion in general.

 

[RustyNails]

what a damn idiot

But didnt they say he was caught in a police shootout?

 

[victreeb3l]

This is on point. People suggesting Islam is uniquely violent just don't know history and don't know how we got to where we are today -- they're taking current events out of the context of history and only looking at the surface. This has more to do with human nature than religious extremism.


Want to reduce religious extremism? Look at what works:

Police in a town in Denmark have achieved real, measurable success by offering help instead of continuing discrimination:


http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...town-helped-young-muslims-turn-away-from-isis

Inclusivity and diversity make society less religious:



http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/religious-diversity-may-be-making-america-less-religious/

"Having the ability to lambast Islamic belief and doctrine without being called Islamophobic?" is not a solution, it's just a way for you to feel better by punching down. People like Malala show how to talk about specific issues without adopting unproductive islamaphobic language. The police in Aarhus show how to effectively combat the radicalization we grapple with today.

That NPR link is great, havent seen that yet. Thanks for sharing.

 

[HStallion]

Wait, you mean every religion has issues?

I'm shocked to hear that. Next time I'll make sure to criticise every religion after every religiously motivated idiotic thing instead of the one responsible for the current topic.

I'll make sure to bring up how stupid the persecution of gay people is in Christianity, the anti-science of the creationists, the unfair persecution of Palestinians in Israel, the genocides in Africa, and everything else in a thread about an attack perpetrated by what appears to be a Muslim just so I'm not focusing my ire on a single religion. Because surely criticising one means I have no issues with others.

Well its good we can agree your are a prejudiced ass hole.

 

[Night Angel]

Why are you sure that he was motivated by Islam, and not by US' foreign policy mishaps? To simply say he was motivated by religion, you are playing a dangerous game by raising suspicion about all the Muslim immigrants in US.

Because I'm a human being that can use my powers of pattern recognition to compare this with other recent attacks in Europe and come up with a likely motivation.

If my post is somehow leading to the unjust persecution of people who have done nothing wrong, I apologize. I didn't realize criticism of a specific religion (all of which I hold plenty of criticism for) in a forum post in athread about an attack likely motivated by that religion would lead to greater scrutiny against all Muslim immigrants entering the US.

Listen, Islam as a whole has many positive messages/aspects. Almost everyone who practices the religion is a normal person, similar to every other religion. The cultures of many regions shaped by the religion are beautiful. This doesn't mean that people can't criticise what they see as flaws within the doctrine, nor does it disallow conversations about how, when presented to an unstable or extremely disillusioned/disadvantaged subset of people, it can create a threat to society.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Glad they caught him.

 

[darkhunger]

Except- Plenty of analysis actually exists.

As a percentage, more of the Quran has reference to violence than any other text. I mean, this shit isn't hard. I'm assuming you've heard of Google?

Literally the first two links on Google when searching "quran vs bible violence":

Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran? : NPR

"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

By categorising words into eight emotions - Joy, Anticipation, Anger, Disgust, Sadness, Surprise, Fear/Anxiety and Trust - the analysis found the Bible scored higher for anger and much lower for trust than the Quran.

Further analysis found the Old Testament was more violent than the New Testament, and more than twice as violent as the Quran.

 

[JP_]

That NPR link is great, havent seen that yet. Thanks for sharing.

I first heard about it through the Invisibilia segment -- can listen at the top of that NPR page. Worth a listen

 

[platocplx]

Because I'm a human being that can use my powers of pattern recognition to compare this with other recent attacks in Europe and come up with a likely motivation.

Lmao. Man whatever. This is insanity now. Lol

 

[HStallion]

No, I thank people for the good, but focus on trying to stop the bad because people are fucking dying. Priorities. I mean, I and everyone else could spend everyday of our lives just focusing on the good and the bad will just go away, right? Best stick our heads in the sand as not to be called ignorant, prejudiced, bigots, etc?

Oh give it a rest dude. All you are doing is shooting the shit on a video game forum. You aren't doing any good and you know it. You are fear mongering and bring up Islamophobia over and over more than anyone else. Maybe you do have a serious problem with Islam and Muslim as you get incredibly defensive when anyone calls you out on it. Give it a rest and go to a mosque and talk to a Muslim instead of treating them like all possible terrorist boogeyman and you will actually be doing something.

 

[BriGuy]

Sorry for the folks who really wanted a white/Christian terror cell (what the fuck makes a person post this kind of comment in the first place?) this time around. I'm sure the people injured by these attacks would have been happy to know that Islam (a doctrine beyond reproach, especially in the ways it handles women's and gay rights) was finally not the reason a shitload of innocent people were attacked for a religion.

A white/Christian terrorist doesn't reflect poorly on the rest of his race or creed; no vigilantes are going to go around harassing unrelated white people to get retribution. I think the folks you are referring to just want to see no harm come to others who happen to share this nutjob's race or religion.

 

[platocplx]

Literally the first two links on Google when searching "quran vs bible violence":

Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran? : NPR


'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

Dont bother. He has a Hot Hot "things about the Quran They dont want you to know about" link to refute this. Or some random .info blog for it. Or dont trust mass media. Or some other conspiracy to say were wrong.

A white/Christian terrorist doesn't reflect poorly on the rest of his race or creed; no vigilantes are going to go around harassing unrelated white people to get retribution. I think the folks you are referring to just want to see no harm come to others who happen to share this nutjob's race or religion.

Yup. But alas there isnt a want to ban all white males but if its a muslim person they want them registered, racially profiled, exiled etc.

 

[Audioboxer]

Literally the first two links on Google when searching "quran vs bible violence":

Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran? : NPR


'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

This is true but what helped Christianity move from the ages of mass murder, pillaging and raping was the New Testament. Many Christians are happy to perform brain gymnastics to now say The Old Testament was all "hyperbole of the times" and the New Testament is what to live by now. Those articles are about the Old Testament.

Trying to progress Islam through it's reformation period is far more problematic given that many state the Quran is the literal word of Muhammad.

Oh give it a rest dude. All you are doing is shooting the shit on a video game forum. You aren't doing any good and you know it. You are fear mongering and bring up Islamophobia over and over more than anyone else. Maybe you do have a serious problem with Islam and Muslim as you get incredibly defensive when anyone calls you out on it. Give it a rest and go to a mosque and talk to a Muslim instead of treating them like all possible terrorist boogeyman and you will actually be doing something.

Yeah well, that is your issue to go away and deal with, as that is not what I'm doing at all. Sorry.

 

[BronsonLee]

damn, they caught him fast

 

[EatinOlives]

Because I'm a human being that can use my powers of pattern recognition to compare this with other recent attacks in Europe and come up with a likely motivation.

If my post is somehow leading to the unjust persecution of people who have done nothing wrong, I apologize. I didn't realize criticism of a specific religion (all of which I hold plenty of criticism for) in a forum post in athread about an attack likely motivated by that religion would lead to greater scrutiny against all Muslim immigrants entering the US.

Listen, Islam as a whole has many positive messages/aspects. Almost everyone who practices the religion is a normal person, similar to every other religion. The cultures of many regions shaped by the religion are beautiful. This doesn't mean that people can't criticise what they see as flaws within the doctrine, nor does it disallow conversations about how, when presented to an unstable or extremely disillusioned/disadvantaged subset of people, it can create a threat to society.

Once again, I ask you what you think is this so-called "legitimate criticism" that is vital to talk about right at this moment when Islamaphobes are at their worst. You keep talking about this "criticism" that we MUST talk about right now, but don't substantiate in any way.

And once again I ask you to articulate what exactly you wanted people in the first page to do if not to hope that this situation wasn't going to play into any politically charged issue, given the fact that the news was breaking and that nobody knew anything.

 

[HStallion]

Because I'm a human being that can use my powers of pattern recognition to compare this with other recent attacks in Europe and come up with a likely motivation.

If my post is somehow leading to the unjust persecution of people who have done nothing wrong, I apologize. I didn't realize criticism of a specific religion (all of which I hold plenty of criticism for) in a forum post in athread about an attack likely motivated by that religion would lead to greater scrutiny against all Muslim immigrants entering the US.

Listen, Islam as a whole has many positive messages/aspects. Almost everyone who practices the religion is a normal person, similar to every other religion. The cultures of many regions shaped by the religion are beautiful. This doesn't mean that people can't criticise what they see as flaws within the doctrine, nor does it disallow conversations about how, when presented to an unstable or extremely disillusioned/disadvantaged subset of people, it can create a threat to society.

Why don't you respond to the fact you seem to know nothing about the Telford texts you keep talking about as so many people have called you out on.

 

[Maxim726X]

Dont bother. He has a Hot Hot "things about the Quran They dont want you to know about" link to refute this. Or some random .info blog for it. Or dont trust mass media. Or some other conspiracy to say were wrong.

No, actually. You asked for scholarly comparison, and I am looking for the proof you asked for.

 

[HStallion]

Yeah well, that is your issue to go away and deal with, as that is not what I'm doing at all. Sorry.

So you are are scared of them? Oh and I have been to mosques and have several Muslim friends. They are great.

 

[platocplx]

No, actually. You asked for scholarly comparison, and I am looking for the proof you asked for.

You arent going to find one. Good luck. They already gave you plenty of sources like NPR. Which actually researched your myth.

So you are are scared of them?

Sounds like they are to me. If they have no desire to actually talk to people about their religion.