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[HP_Wuvcraft]

Here's the exact quote if you missed it:

"The KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Full statement:

”Racism is evil – and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under the Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America."

Good for him.

But that was totally fucking written for him, without any guidance. He would never admit to white people doing anything bad. This is obviously just the White House throwing a bone, too.

 

[valkillmore]

I thought it was obvious that my post was a tongue in cheek statement.

Oh so you're John King then.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Only way these Nazi's will turn away from him is if he actively goes after them as a terrorist/criminal organization.

Yep. And the moment they knew he was on their side was when they were removed as a terrorist organization thanks to his administration.

 

[Steejee]

His bitch ass didn't even want to do this.

Clearly. That was definitely not something he wrote or had much (if any) input on, either. His first reaction is clearly his, and not a writer's.

This was all his advisors dragging his ass out in front of a podium so that all their talking heads could cite this as evidence he's not a racist nazi sympathizer.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Off course not, people need to think that he didn't want to this but was forced to do it anyway...3 fucking days later and saying 'both sides' first.

All his words are empty and means nothing, don't expect to believe him since his words are always hollow.

It's amazing to think about, how a president could reach absolute zero credibility about anything. Even business, he's a complete sham. He has no morals, no values, no ethical standards for anything other than his mafia style interpretation of loyalty.

 

[moggio]

So, considering we know that Trump is racist, he's basically admitting he's evil.

Good to know.

 

[More_Badass]

LEADERSHIP


And to anyone who thinks a simple statement made days after the fact is worthy of any praise keep in mind that towards the end of his statement he said "we will spare no resource in fighting so that every American child can grow up free from violence and fear." Unless he is going to restore funding to the groups who were fight white extremists and racism he is lying to our face about the actions his administration will take.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-nationalism-group-funding-f1d35fb5604e/

If we have learned anything from the last year or so, it's that you should always judge politicians and presidents by their actions rather than their words. Trump could say he condemns white supremacists and the KKK, he could call it a terrorist attack rather than a car attack, he could say everything people want him to say

None of that matters when his actions like those in the quoted post, the people he has appointed, and so on show where his values and ideals really lie.

 

[tedtropy]

I mean, I'm glad he at least said the words, but that speech was pretty clearly just some shit he wanted to get through and bail. And we all know what inevitably follows on-script Trump...

 

[Ekai]

Yep.

Literally days into office, Drumpf decided that defunding groups looking into right wing a white supremacy extremism was of utmost importance.

Now we should believe a word he says about right wing and white supremacist attacks, after refusing to acknowledge their existence until it got to unbearable international embarrassment.

Get fuuuuuuuuucked.

Thing is, he didn't actually say the words: "radical right-wing terrorism". He isn't going to commit fully to that.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Just took him two days and even fox news having a go at him to make it happen. Even then it was a prepared speech and no questions either.

Could you enlighten us less Fox News savvy? What did the network said about this on Trump?? Please tell me it was more than Shep Smith and/or Chris Wallace (aka the only two reasonable anchors in that place).

 

[Trey]

Off course not, people need to think that he didn't want to this but was forced to do it anyway...3 fucking days later and saying 'both sides' first

Which flies in the face of their masturbatory fetish that "Trump says what he wants and gets his way always."

There is no logic or reason to Trump, his surrogates, or his base.

 

[Hubbl3]

His bitch ass didn't even want to do this.

Yeah, that's what I think too. 2 days and multiple ignored questions later, this really just comes off as Trump begrudgingly doing something he doesn't really want to do.

 

[Zeta Oni]

The Nazis and other bigots who follow him would still follow him no matter what he said or when he said it. They know as well as everyone here that Trump doesn't actually believe in what he just said. It's beyond ridiculous that we had to wait three days for a real condemnation of these events, but I'm glad the message was finally put out there, I think it's important.

Yeah, the message being that it took days for the current President of the United States of America to actually speak up against the people responsible for killing a US citizen on US soil.

Days.

You can take the words at face value all you want.

Actions will always speak louder than words.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

Brietbart comments are hilarious! People calling Donald Trump a coward for calling out Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists. I don't know if you could make your beliefs any more transparent outside of actually stating them.

 

[Northernlights]

Too little, too late orange menace.

 

[Dot Matrix]

He sure as fuck didn't lose the Alt-Right. They know the drill and know he's really on their side. "Globalists" made him say it.

Anyone have a hazmat suit handy to go on the_donald and see what their reaction is? I'd check myself but I'd have to give my phone a shot of digital penicillin after going to that cesspool.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

He's someone who did their homework and handed it in a day late hoping for partial credit.

If he really believed what he said, he'd get shitheads like Gorka and Miller out of the white house.

 

[valkillmore]

He's someone who did their homework and handed it in a day late hoping for partial credit.

If he really believed what he said, he'd get shitheads like Gorka and Miller out of the white house.

If he believed what he said he wouldn't have been elected in the first place.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Yeah, the message being that it took days for the current President of the United States of America to actually speak up against a hate group responsible for a terrorist attack, killing a US citizen on US soil.

Days.

You can take the words at face value all you want.

Actions will always speak louder than words.

Fixed.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I mean, I'm glad he at least said the words, but that speech was pretty clearly just some shit he wanted to get through and bail. And we all know what inevitably follows on-script Trump...

Oh, he will 100% bail on this speech the next time there is violence during a Nazi protest. His advisors and staff are probably already holding their heads in their hands thinking about how he's going to fuck this up in a few weeks.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Just a reminder that Trump had this to say about MS-13:

"Together we're going to restore safety to our streets and peace to our communities and we're going to destroy the vile, criminal cartel MS-13 and many other gangs," Trump said.

Noticing a difference compared to today's statement...

 

[Oceanwind]

Obviously he doesn't mean any of that, but I hope it still pisses of the racists.

 

[entremet]

Kinda wish we had a new thread since he addressed this and it's rather messy keeping track here.

 

[plagiarize]

If we have learned anything from the last year or so, it's that you should always judge politicians and presidents by their actions rather than their words. Trump could say he condemns white supremacists and the KKK, he could call it a terrorist attack rather than a car attack, he could say everything people want him to say

None of that matters when his actions like those in the quoted post, the people he has appointed, and so on show where his values and ideals really lie.

The problem is underlined in that he took so long to say it, not that he eventually did. I think enough people will see that for this to be overall damaging to him and his administration.

That it took three days before you got your arm twisted into condemning Nazi's makes you look like a Nazi sympathizer, with a side dish of making you look weak.

Kinda wish we had a new thread since he addressed this and it's rather messy keeping track here.

Did he call it terrorism?

 

[Boke1879]

People need to still be calling for Bannon to get fired.

The reason that speech was made was because I'm sure internally that first statement was hurting him. He was getting grilled and even beaten to the punch by members in his own party.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

If he believed what he said he wouldn't have been elected in the first place.

If he believed what he said, he wouldn't want black teenagers to get the death penalty. If he believed what he said he wouldn't have fucked up rental practices for black folks. If he believed what he said, he wouldn't throw shade at black communities. If he believed what he said, he wouldn't have stayed silent to the white supremacist groups giving him support during his campaign.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

So..not a terrorist act, huh?

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+would+obama+do

 

[Mahonay]

Just a reminder that Trump had this to say about MS-13:



Noticing a difference compared to today's statement...

.

"We're going to enforce our laws, protect our borders and support our police like our police have never been supported before," Trump said.

He praised the "rough" officers of ICE and suggested that police shouldn't protect the heads of suspects when they're arrested.

"When you see these thugs thrown into the back of a paddy wagon. You see them thrown in, rough. I said, 'Please don't be too nice,' " Trump said, mentioning observing the prisoner's heads being shielded. "I said, 'You can take the hand away.' "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/donald-trump-ms-13/index.html

 

[Plywood]

Obviously he doesn't mean any of that, but I hope it still pisses of the racists.

They'll just say he was saving face. He had his chance to say it the first time and blew it spectacularly. It was a fucking gimme.

 

[kmax]

Congratulations Donald Trump. Water is wet.

So what have you done these past few days when you haven't been condemning Nazis? Have you sat down with your team and looked at how to deal with the right wing extremist threat that are murdering people on the streets? What are you doing in terms of removing right wing extremists from your own administration? Is Steve Bannon gone yet?

Until you actually take steps to demonstrate to the American people that you mean what you say, you can tell lies all you want. Your base heard you a long time ago.

 

[rjinaz]

Anyone have a hazmat suit handy to go on the_donald and see what their reaction is? I'd check myself but I'd have to give my phone a shot of digital penicillin after going to that cesspool.

They are eating it up. So presidential! Basically what I expected. There are some saying it was a mistake to cuck to the Left, but most seem to be happy by it.

Oh and "Obama never condemned BLM"

of course.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Kinda wish we had a new thread since he addressed this and it's rather messy keeping track here.

Yeah this needs a new thread.

 

[Nokterian]

It's amazing to think about, how a president could reach absolute zero credibility about anything. Even business, he's a complete sham. He has no morals, no values, no ethical standards for anything other than his mafia style interpretation of loyalty.

At one point in life i have learned on what words can mean and others don't. Trump is con man, has not morals, has no dignity towards others.

Do we forget that he banned transgender from the military? With Bannon,Gorka and Miller in the White House nothing will change.

Trump like i said will never change..ever, this man is a narcist at the highest level you can think of, he doesn't see a difference between good or bad. He doesn't know what nazi's are he sees bannon as a good man or even miller and yet we bloody know that there fucking nazi's.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I would not be surprised if Paul Ryan personally said to him "say this or resign".

 

[ramoisdead]

Here's the exact quote if you missed it:

"The KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Full statement:

“Racism is evil – and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under the Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.”

Too little, too fucking late. He had plenty of time over the weekend to call this shit out. Multiple chances to respond to the media and the American people for which he blurted out "many sides".

Fuck that asshole. This contrived written statement doesn't mean shit.

 

[Oppo]

Guardian is saying he actually managed to croak out the word "racism". now.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/14/donald-trump-charlottesville-response-washington

edit - ah late

 

[minor effort]

Whatever.

By spending 48 hours equivocating "both sides" he sent his message loud and clear to the nazis and white supremacists who were very receptive.

And those same nazis and white supremacists who praised him in the wake of Charlottesville knew that, inevitably, he would have to publicly denounce them. And they're okay with that because the real message was already communicated Saturday and Sunday.

Trump may fool some pundits today on how presidential he is, but the nazis got a pat on the back.

 

[capitalCORN]

Guardian is saying he actually managed to croak out the word "racism". now.

I'm sure he'll go rolling in the mud for that one.

 

[David H Wong]

Anyone have a hazmat suit handy to go on the_donald and see what their reaction is? I'd check myself but I'd have to give my phone a shot of digital penicillin after going to that cesspool.

You can easily imagine what they're saying in your head -- if you've even glanced at the place, you'll be exactly right. They're not complicated.

 

[Effect]

So he didn't say "domestic terrorism"?

This is all to late and it rings completely hollow. No one believes he means it.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

so has Mr. Trump said radical right-wing terrorism, white nationalism, or neo-nazi yet?

I haven't kept up today.

 

[Zeta Oni]

Fixed.

Yeah, an important detail I forgot to mention.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Good for him.

But that was totally fucking written for him, without any guidance. He would never admit to white people doing anything bad.

Yeah. This is the same administration slashed funding from Life After Hate.

 

[conpfreak]

Too late. If you have to be forced to make a statement to reject white supremacy groups, you aren't being sincere about being opposed to them. By failing the first time to reject this, he failed period. It's not something you can just reverse with a statement.

 

[Nokterian]

Yeah. This is the same administration slashed funding from Life After Hate.

Indeed trump removed that group that was actively searching white nationalism.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-nationalism-group-funding-f1d35fb5604e/

 

[NyMartin90]

so has Mr. Trump said radical right-wing terrorism, white nationalism, or neo-nazi yet?

I haven't kept up today.

4 things Trump said today about Charlottesville

The President just addressed the Charlottesville attack for the second time (his first statement on Saturday condemned the violence, but didn't address white nationalism). Here are the key lines from today's statement:

"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered.​"
”Racism is evil – and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
"We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under the Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America."
”​In times such as these, America has always shown its true character – responding to hate with love, division with unity, and violence with an unwavering resolve for justice."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-charlottesville-latest/index.html

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Has Van Jones called Trump "Presidential" yet?

 

[Otatoptohami]

Yeah, the message being that it took days for the current President of the United States of America to actually speak up against the people responsible for killing a US citizen on US soil.

Days.

You can take the words at face value all you want.

Actions will always speak louder than words.

I'm not taking anything he says at face value, I get he's lying through his teeth now just like he always has. But if my choices are living in a future where he said nothing (which looked pretty likely until an hour ago) or where he finally said the right thing long after he should have, I'm gonna pick the one where he eventually said it. Yeah its fucking depressing that those were the choices but I'd say one of those is clearly better than the other. I'm not sure what about that particular opinion makes everyone so anxious.

Maybe the point of contention here is I believe the words of the President carry weight beyond the opinions of the individual saying them, even, when that individual is an evil, incompetent asshole.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

so has Mr. Trump said radical right-wing terrorism, white nationalism, or neo-nazi yet?

I haven't kept up today.

It's on this very page.

But yes, he did.