Clarissa
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Over 2000 hours used on my c9 and no hint of image retention or burn in.
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How many OLED owners do we have here?
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Venuspower
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Yep, this is the reason why you do not see a difference.
I really hope Next Gen Games are forced to use the system tone mapper of
the console. Otherwise HGiG will be useless.
The C9 is still a pretty new TV. Which is why most people are still far away from getting burn in.
In 1 to 2 years we will know better.
So far I have around 900 - 1000 hours on my C9 and everything is fine.
A friend of mine has around 2500 hours on his C9 and everything is fine there, too.
And yep: My friend is playing a lot of games a static HUD.
In my case I always try to reduce the HUD as much as possible. Not because of burn in. But because of a better immersion.
I did the same on my old LCD.
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FearlessBelgian
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And you playing game with static HUD ?
Clarissa
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And you playing game with static HUD ?
Yes. For HOURS. I play a lot of fighting games with static HUD. But I vary my content.
For games that have the option to adjust the HUD, I'll make it such that when I walk/move, the HUD will disappear.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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After a month of experimenting (and suffering), I'm giving up on my C9.
Image quality is absolutely insane, but that motion, even on "just" 55 inches, I can't stand. God knows I tried. And tried.
There isn't a single motion setting that's good for all content, even for movies. Cartoons require one motion setting, old movies another, newer movies another still.
BFI is too flickery for sub-60fps content, and adds basically nothing to 60fps content, so it's useless.
30fps games drive me insane. Switch is basically unplayable for me with that motion, and once I realized I was dreading turning on the C9 to play some games, I had to accept that this TV isn't for me.
Put my 42" Panny plasma back in place and while the loss in brightness and size is even more perceptible than before, the motion is night and day. Played 2 hours last night with zero problems. 30fps content still has some stuttering (never noticed it before trying OLED, lol), but it's handled so much better,
The only scenario where I'm trying OLED again is if variable-rate BFI actually works with 24- and 30-fps content, and with no visible flicker. Otherwise there's no way I'm getting used to OLED motion "handling". I seriously can't understand how people get used to it. Without motion interpolation there isn't a single moving part of an image that doesn't stutter and lose focus. Even people blinking, turning their heads or walking towards the camera is impossible to get into focus for me. I can clearly see the image doubling, all the time. Camera panning and rotation is, of course, the worst. Yes, even with my best glasses on, if you were wondering.
I'm eyeing the new Sony XH90 for a new all-purpose TV if I'm going to buy another this year. Otherwise I'm sticking to plasma for a year or two while HDMI 2.1 becomes widespread and better motion rendition becomes more of a priority for manufacturers (hopefully). Sub-60fps content isn't going anywhere, and with more and more gamers using TVs to play PC games, hopefully TVs will start implementing tech currently reserved to gaming monitors.
Image quality is absolutely insane, but that motion, even on "just" 55 inches, I can't stand. God knows I tried. And tried.
There isn't a single motion setting that's good for all content, even for movies. Cartoons require one motion setting, old movies another, newer movies another still.
BFI is too flickery for sub-60fps content, and adds basically nothing to 60fps content, so it's useless.
30fps games drive me insane. Switch is basically unplayable for me with that motion, and once I realized I was dreading turning on the C9 to play some games, I had to accept that this TV isn't for me.
Put my 42" Panny plasma back in place and while the loss in brightness and size is even more perceptible than before, the motion is night and day. Played 2 hours last night with zero problems. 30fps content still has some stuttering (never noticed it before trying OLED, lol), but it's handled so much better,
The only scenario where I'm trying OLED again is if variable-rate BFI actually works with 24- and 30-fps content, and with no visible flicker. Otherwise there's no way I'm getting used to OLED motion "handling". I seriously can't understand how people get used to it. Without motion interpolation there isn't a single moving part of an image that doesn't stutter and lose focus. Even people blinking, turning their heads or walking towards the camera is impossible to get into focus for me. I can clearly see the image doubling, all the time. Camera panning and rotation is, of course, the worst. Yes, even with my best glasses on, if you were wondering.
I'm eyeing the new Sony XH90 for a new all-purpose TV if I'm going to buy another this year. Otherwise I'm sticking to plasma for a year or two while HDMI 2.1 becomes widespread and better motion rendition becomes more of a priority for manufacturers (hopefully). Sub-60fps content isn't going anywhere, and with more and more gamers using TVs to play PC games, hopefully TVs will start implementing tech currently reserved to gaming monitors.
Ulysses 31
Member
Sounds like you need to check for TVs with LFC(low framerate compensation).
TheBoss1
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Maybe you should check out a Sony OLED. I'm sure it won't solve all your motion issues but Sony's processor is praised to no end and no other technology beside CRT will have motion as good as Plasma, so you will forever be disappointed once you move on from plasma.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Got a 55 inch B9 for a thousand bucks on Black Friday, am very happy with it. Best TV I ever owned by far.
saintjules
Member
I think it's just safe to say you won't try OLED again. I can understand the scenario, but have you tried a different unit? I haven't had those issues of flickering and what not.
I had a Plasma for 12 years before getting the Sony X900E, then eventually OLED. I'll never go back.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
I’d try another if I could try it extensively before purchase, with non-promotional video material. Actual movies. Actual games. Not 60fps ultra-smoothed images curated to high hell that make just every panel look the best thing on Earth.
See, what bothers me is that after trying OLED, I started noticing motion issues on plasma as well. I’ve noticed that modern movies on plasma (ie, Knives Out) tend to stutter, and noticeably so in panning shots, more than older movies (ie, Top Gun). OLED’s fast refresh just seems to accentuate the issue. But movies can still be smoothed with some motion interpolation and still look great. Games cannot, due to heavily noticeable artifacts and massive input lag.
Plasma TVs aren’t perfect when it comes to motion. I was used to a relatively small (42”) screen, so motion issues weren’t very noticeable. Also, lower resolutions of source material and even the best plasmas being limited to 1080p contributed to mitigate these issues. But they can be seen on plasma as well. I don’t know why it bothers me so much on OLED. I just don’t suffer LCD/LED motion blur in the same way.
I’ll give another practical example. In the Xenoblade remaster, when I turn the camera around, NPCs even at medium distance don’t just become a blur - they become literally invisible. On plasma and LCD, they can still be seen as streaks of color, or can present a slight afterimage if the camera turns more slowly. But seriously, on OLED, fast-turning the camera makes some stuff literally disappear.
I’d be interested in knowing if the new, adjustable BFI in the LG CX and the newest Sonys is actually usable at lower framerates. That would seriously make me reconsider my choice.
Ulysses 31
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Is it really massive on the C9? On my 2016 OLED I used trumotion and don't recall the lag making games on playable. I'd think it would be better for the 2019 models.
I hear Sony has best motion handling for movies but I don't know how that translates to gaming or sports. Maybe it's time to look at high-end (Q)LED TVs from Samsung.
I recall one user saying that turning on trumotion but put settings to 0 also reduces the judder and keep image clear.
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Mister Wolf
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C9 65". Best TV I have ever owned. If you are a PC gamer having access to Gsync/Freesync/VRR is a godsend.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Same here, picked it up on Sunday after having issues with a Sony LED.
It's an amazing piece of tech. The HDR in Horizon Zero Dawn is jawdropping.
Ulysses 31
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Skyr
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I mean 4K BR dunkirk and planet earth are already top tier in terms of quality.
I still think the pre installed demo footage on the internal storage looks most impressive. I mean that demo with the honey.
Jigga117
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Jigga117
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Gears of War 4/5?
Dead or Alive 6
Also this and if you got a PS4 Pro God of War
TheBoss1
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Night on Earth, Our Planet, and White Lines on Netflix looks good. So does a few others but I can't remember atm.
Pippelipeikko
Member
I've had a "throw caution to the wind moment" and have sold my 65" B7 to my friend and I'm about to replace it with the 65" CX. I'm trying to find out if my old wallmount will fit on the CX too, it's the LG OTW420B.
Anyone have any idea? The information out there is vague at best.
Anyone have any idea? The information out there is vague at best.
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Guileless
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My special lady has absolutely no technical knowledge of anything beyond turning the TV on and watching it. She doesn't care about technology or follow it. She's the type who would be hooking up an HDTV with plain AV cables if she weren't married to me.
She is seriously impressed by the C9 as compared to our 4 year old 4k Sony LED.
She is seriously impressed by the C9 as compared to our 4 year old 4k Sony LED.
Ulysses 31
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If you're not in a rush, it won't hurt to wait and see the state of OLED by the time the PS5 releases.
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dorkimoe
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C9 this year. First impressions blew me away. I'm so used to it now, i want to experience it again for the first time . And sometimes i swear my settings arent every right, but they look good to me. Half the problem is, i stream everything on netflix or plex. But Apple TV+ has the best streaming quality by far...i need netflix to get to that level.
. And sometimes i swear my settings arent every right, but they look good to me. Half the problem is, i stream everything on netflix or plex. But Apple TV+ has the best streaming quality by far...i need netflix to get to that level.
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LOLCats
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i think LG will replace or fix that, even out of warranty, have you called them?
FactoryOfDeception
Neo Member
Once you go OLED you don't go back. My C9 is one of the best purchases I have made in a long time.
Guileless
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I had no idea this was a thing we had to worry about. LG store also does not have the ESPN or NFL apps.WTF?
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Soulja
Member
Yep. They won't do anything with it as I can't provide a receipt due to it being a replacement TV from an insurance claim which is total bs imo.
VisualFidelity
Member
I just sold my 55" B7 and bought a 55" E9 for 1599.00 out the door. Super excited for it to come next week!
dolabla
Member
Looks like some people are receiving shipping notifications for 48" CX's in the US from Best Buy. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-48-...v-smart-oled-with-hdr/6416732.p?skuId=6416732
Anybody here ordered one yet or is going to order one? It was $1499 when they first popped up earlier this week, but saw they've gone up $100 to $1599.
Anybody here ordered one yet or is going to order one? It was $1499 when they first popped up earlier this week, but saw they've gone up $100 to $1599.
Beat me by about $300. Ordered mine last week from a local appliance store, as they were the only place I found that could even get 55" E9's any longer. Fine by me, as I would have been spending exactly the same amount on a CX if I couldn't get the E9.
Turk1993
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Im gonna buy a tv this week but can't decide between 2 models, 55 inch Samsung Q90R or the 55 inch LG C9. Im gonna use it as my pc monitor and gaming tv for my consoles. I sit very close to my tv and have a bright room. I use my screen to edit video's, photo's, gaming and designing, so color accuracy and brightness is very important. But i also want to future proof it for next gen consoles and use 4K120hz. Im gonna upgrade my pc next year with the upcoming RTX 3080 or 3080ti (depends on the price). I love the oled panels on my phones (S3, Note4, Note5, S8+, Note 8, S10+ and Note 10+) they are the best, BUT 3 of them had burn in problems and that scared me to choose the oled wich is why i was looking for the Qled. I use my tv 6h - 10h a day with full brightness for editing, will that cause burn in? I use alot of bright colors like cherry red and gold yellow . Also is there anybody that uses a oled as a pc monitor? If yes how is the experience, is it to dim or did you have burn in? The Q90R is the best 4K LED tv at the moment and that one is also looking incredible and its really bright, i saw them both next to each other in the store but they had different video's so it was not a good comparison. BTW i checked every comparison on Youtube and it made it even more complicated for me to choose . I want the brightness of the qled without the burn in and contrast and color accuracy of the oled. The prices are 1389 euro for the qled and 1200 euro for the oled. The new CX 48 inch cost 1699 euro and tbh i didn't see any difference when i compared it with the C9 side by side with the same video. The newer Q95T cost 2299 euro for the 55 inch version and that one has lesser diming zones but a litlle better gaming mode, so its donwgraded in some ways compared to Q90R.
. I want the brightness of the qled without the burn in and contrast and color accuracy of the oled. The prices are 1389 euro for the qled and 1200 euro for the oled. The new CX 48 inch cost 1699 euro and tbh i didn't see any difference when i compared it with the C9 side by side with the same video. The newer Q95T cost 2299 euro for the 55 inch version and that one has lesser diming zones but a litlle better gaming mode, so its donwgraded in some ways compared to Q90R.
Ulysses 31
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6h-10h a day with max brightness? I'd go with the QLED. Burn-in is a gradual process and the brighter the image, the faster it sets in. The auto-brightness limiter will kick in with OLEDs resulting in the image getting less bright over time, if that doesn't bother you.
The Q95T has less dimming zones but better algorithm which makes or more of a side grade than a clear down grade. Colors are more punchy on the Q95T because they changed the anti-reflection coating which washed out the colors a little on the Q90R. Brightness is less than the Q90R but more accurate/less details lost.
Q95T also has eARC over the Q90R.
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Is the Q95T worth the 900 euro price difference compared to Q90R? I can almost buy a extra B9 oled for that wich cost 1000 euros now. Its soo hard to pick the right tv, never thought i would struggle to choose a tv.
Ulysses 31
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I'd say no.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
More content show-off recs I've discovered:
4k Blu-Ray of Gladiator - holy shit the HDR. The interior scenes lit by fire lamps actually threw shadows in my living room.
Alps level of the Battlefield One campaign looks amazing
Fortune Island expansion on Forza Horizon 4 - amazing weather effects with lightning and HDR
4k Blu-Ray of Gladiator - holy shit the HDR. The interior scenes lit by fire lamps actually threw shadows in my living room.
Alps level of the Battlefield One campaign looks amazing
Fortune Island expansion on Forza Horizon 4 - amazing weather effects with lightning and HDR
TIMSTER_777
Member
I have had the C9 for a bit now and it is the best damn tv for me. All my 4K HDR movies on Plex look amazing.
I can't go back to regular LED. I had a samsung panel from 2017 before and it didn't have full array so it was pretty bad.
I can't go back to regular LED. I had a samsung panel from 2017 before and it didn't have full array so it was pretty bad.
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Jigga117
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The other problem I keep pointing out is that the C9 B9 CX all have 4 HDMI 2.1 ports vs only one for Samsung. Vizio just announced their tv lineup. All of them come with only 2. So that comes with a problem for multiple devices that need the HDMI 2.1 portIm gonna buy a tv this week but can't decide between 2 models, 55 inch Samsung Q90R or the 55 inch LG C9. Im gonna use it as my pc monitor and gaming tv for my consoles. I sit very close to my tv and have a bright room. I use my screen to edit video's, photo's, gaming and designing, so color accuracy and brightness is very important. But i also want to future proof it for next gen consoles and use 4K120hz. Im gonna upgrade my pc next year with the upcoming RTX 3080 or 3080ti (depends on the price). I love the oled panels on my phones (S3, Note4, Note5, S8+, Note 8, S10+ and Note 10+) they are the best, BUT 3 of them had burn in problems and that scared me to choose the oled wich is why i was looking for the Qled. I use my tv 6h - 10h a day with full brightness for editing, will that cause burn in? I use alot of bright colors like cherry red and gold yellow . Also is there anybody that uses a oled as a pc monitor? If yes how is the experience, is it to dim or did you have burn in? The Q90R is the best 4K LED tv at the moment and that one is also looking incredible and its really bright, i saw them both next to each other in the store but they had different video's so it was not a good comparison. BTW i checked every comparison on Youtube and it made it even more complicated for me to choose
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