killatopak
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It certainly could be more comprehensive but uninteresting? Tons of discussion spawned from the teardown.
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Digital Foundry: “PS5 teardown is uninteresting, until we get our own hands on"
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Bo_Hazem
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You do your job well, mate. Don't worry too much about nonsense or someone dragging you all over the place. You read what you think is worth reading, and continue doing your quality videos that take so much effort and time to edit.
Engage in convos that would help you with your content, and many value your content as you have first hand experience in HW, even if not necessarily in gaming. I would rather suggest you use your time to make extensive technical analysis, and don't sell your soul to MS or Sony.
Making videos/editing could be tiresome and depressing, you don't need to engage in further negativity. Go play Fall Guys.
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What if DF already have a PS5 or just going to get one from the Sony soon, and they are behind NDA agreement? What would be point then to make a video about Sony's teadown, if they may just preparing (or going to) they own one? I see no point to double materials then. I think some people on Gaf looking for some DF anti-Sony things that don't exist.
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Lysandros
Member
I agree, if one questions their work ethics and doesn't find them impartial, i personally think there is only one right thing to do; unsubscribe, stop watching their content and stop using them as a source to strengthen arguments.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why comment on that? Why call it uninteresting on the same week other analysis videos of the teardown highlighted or clarified at least some other details and knowing how much interest and buzz it generated?
Want to be perceived as an impartial journalist, be mindful of how you say what you say. The day I see a skeptical approach towards both vendors is the day the tide changes for me... while only one of them has clearly the benefit of the doubt, well my perception of Battaglia and Leadbetter stays the same.
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FunkMiller
Member
Yep. There are tons of people in this thread who are dragging DF about their lack of PlayStation coverage, but I guarantee most are still subscribed to their channel! So instead of actually doing something practical about their complaints, they’ll just whine about what DF are doing, keep watching, and wonder why DF continues to be successful
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
As if that was anything more than a publicity stunt come on. Are we still trying to make some “concern” up by implying something sinister around not getting some outlets flown over?
Again, tell me what details we have gotten out of the HW that we missed because they did not buy a plane ticket and gave exclusive access to DF and got them to sign a please do not say anything negative NDA
You have the tear downs and the coverage of each posted above... what did Leadbetter offer there that we did not get otherwise?
publicity stunt? or Free advertising. also if you are saying what did Leadbetter offer in a post about Leadbetter not doing a video of the PS5 tear down. madness
PropellerEar
Member
I'm talking about current situation.
It's clear there is some kind of deal between MSFT and DF about what they can say and when about XSeX and XSeS.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
they have NDA's about what can and cannot be shown. not a deal, why does it have to be a deal?
FranXico
Member
That's an NDA and it's standard. Every youtuber that received an XSX is restricted in what they can disclose.
replicant-
Member
Well, he is right.
The teardown video didn't exactly answer many questions. I enjoyed watching it for what it was - breaking down the console into its component parts.
For example, still don't have confirmed features for the GPU. Just "RDNA 2 based", whatever that means.
The teardown video didn't exactly answer many questions. I enjoyed watching it for what it was - breaking down the console into its component parts.
For example, still don't have confirmed features for the GPU. Just "RDNA 2 based", whatever that means.
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cormack12
Gold Member
I think this is because everyone is waiting on the AMD event later this month though.
martino
Member
And again there already was one speaking of cpu made for games
DF said nothing about it and it causes no impatience/meltdown.
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PropellerEar
Member
Yes it's an NDA but also a deal for preferential early access.
It also limits them from doing real analysis of XSeX and XSeS.
Self
Member
I think it's very difficult to stay impartial when X gives you all the info you want, while Y doesn't. X seems to care about DF, while Y doesn't care at all.
Both use different strategies, but DF does rely on new and exclusive information. MS has them covered, hence (maybe) a tendency towards MS. Seems pretty basic and natural to me.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I understand that, do not like it, but I get it. Access based journalism in all forms ends up often with as partial and as biased promotional results as the imbalance of power allows.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It's the fault of Y then for not completing with marketing of X
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The A in NDA stands for Agreement.......Agreement and Deal are synonyms.
If
NXGamer
or whoever is even remotely interested in nextgen games was given the same deal im sure he would take it....doesnt mean he is a shill its part of doing business, do you want the console early? Yes, then dont talk about the nextgen games running on it or talk about the Series S.....which all the journos who went to the Series X reveal actually already saw.The NDA clearly wasnt tight enough because we got a whole bunch of leaks about it.
As NXGamer gets bigger and bigger, he will likely start getting these kinds of offers from Sony/MS/Nintendo and other big companies........it can be weird because being "friends" with a company you are going to be critical about muddles the waters a bit, but the other choice is stop dealing with them and do everything yourself, which isnt the easiest thing when you arent a massive channel already.
GamersNexus can say fuck you to manufactures because they know they can afford to not be "friendly" with MSI, a smaller channel would be very conflicted.
martino
Member
it's also why he often say reach me if that happens !The A in NDA stands for Agreement.......Agreement and Deal are synonyms.
If
The NDA clearly wasnt tight enough because we got a whole bunch of leaks about it.
As NXGamer gets bigger and bigger, he will likely start getting these kinds of offers from Sony/MS/Nintendo and other big companies........it can be weird because being "friends" with a company you are going to be critical about muddles the waters a bit, but the other choice is stop dealing with them and do everything yourself, which isnt the easiest thing when you arent a massive channel already.
GamersNexus can say fuck you to manufactures because they know they can afford to not be "friendly" with MSI, a smaller channel would be very conflicted.
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Redlancet
Banned
Its pretty básic and natural if you are unprofessional, being impartíal its very important on they kind of análisis
phil_t98
#SonyToo
you mean the real analysis that they are currently doing
BootsLoader
Banned
Ok BoomerPS5 teardown happened for some days already and DF did nothing to cover the Sony event.
While they keep doing videos about old games nobody cares.
When asked why the reply:
PropellerEar
Member
As of late Crash Bandicoot 4 is only thing what I would call real analysis from them.
Did you read what you are complaining about?Yeah I bet they are super salty about not getting a PS5 when nobody else has gotten one either...
Whether or not other people have it doesn't change how upset you'd be at being rebuffed by someone especially when the other side is flying you out and wanting you to make content about their shit.
Would you deny someone the right to be bummed that a game got delayed? After all no one has the game yet, so according to you no one has the right to be bummed. But of course people would be.
And just think. MS giving them all this open access and they've probably tried to get Sony to give them access and been met with 'sorry gotta call you back, Travis Scott is on the other line'.
Other journalists have also been showing annoyance at lack of hands on time with the PS5.
Further it does make sense. I mean they literally made a video based on the CGI and short clips of boards on workbenches from when the XSX was first revealed and they made content where they tried to estimate the die size and what the chips might be and all the rest of it. All speculative. They made videos using PC hardware to try to get a measure of how next gen games would run and look. All speculative. The idea they need to physically have the device to pass comment on something is nonsense, they do it all the time.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
He made a whole video about what he thought was wrong with Halo Infinite.
RayHell
Member
Well played by Microsoft, they handed a bunch of console to YouTuber and they've started trashing on Sony. I'm thinking Jeff Grubb, Austin Evans and now DF. Not that it's a big lost, I mean pixel count and framerate is just fuel for fanboys in the end. It doesn't make a great game.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
He made a 15 minute video about 1 thing of interest to him in the Halo trailer. Which for previews is the norm for DF.
To be honest
Last gen it made all the difference... according to both sides .. not that I shared this opinion.
You are actively looking for bias and determined to find it. Are you surprised that you do?
At this point whatever they say is jumped on by the usual suspects, twisted, contorted and tortured to fit a preconception.
However that preconception is borne of your bias, not theirs.
_Spr_Drnk
Banned
I think Battaglia's a bit of a prick.
Having said that, as a Sony person, I totally agree there's not a lot for them to add right now to the Sony video.
If they had their hands on a PS5 console and refused to give it attention, that would be a clearly different matter, but I don't think that would happen. Microsoft did their PR right here.
Having said that, as a Sony person, I totally agree there's not a lot for them to add right now to the Sony video.
If they had their hands on a PS5 console and refused to give it attention, that would be a clearly different matter, but I don't think that would happen. Microsoft did their PR right here.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sure, I am actively looking = I do not close my eyes and ears whenever it happens and pretend it is not there. Projection and victim card always a useful combo.
Exactly. Controlled conditions are not an ideal way to review anything. The PS5 hands on videos we've seen recently were all under tightly controlled conditions. The teardown video is exactly what Sony want to show you and not an atom more.
I'd rather put my faith in reviews that have full access to any software/hardware.
If DF don't have the hardware they can't tear it down, there's no point in talking about someone else's video. DF are the biggest in their field, if Sony wants their coverage then they should supply them with hardware to examine.
Portugeezer
Member
I thought they would talk about the PS5 teardown simply because they are supposedly gaming tech enthusiasts. I guess they need to be sent free stuff first, then the enthusiasm can commence!
Of course, there is not much to be said about random pieces of internal hardware, "look how big the fan/heatsink is, expandable memory, etc", however I seem to remember Rich speculating about the size of the Series X die, apparently not having the console was interesting enough.
I also feel like a piece of shit contributing to this 600 posts thread of nothing!
Of course, there is not much to be said about random pieces of internal hardware, "look how big the fan/heatsink is, expandable memory, etc", however I seem to remember Rich speculating about the size of the Series X die, apparently not having the console was interesting enough.
I also feel like a piece of shit contributing to this 600 posts thread of nothing!
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
So doing the teardown coverage in MS’s controlled environment after they flew him over and speculating for minutes and minutes on things he had no data on were ok, but doing an update/reaction video to Sony’s one was suddenly more interesting than an unpatched disc copy of Assassin’s Creed Unity running on XSX for almost 15 minutes?
Ok...
.PS5 teardown happened for some days already and DF did nothing to cover the Sony event.
While they keep doing videos about old games nobody cares.
When asked why the reply:
The guy is a total Xbox/PC fan.
I agree with the fact that making a video where you can just comment on the stuff showcased in an other video is not that exciting for them to make.
I agree that if they were working on an other video there's no reason to stop the work on that video.
But calling Sony's video uninteresting is just LOL-worthy.
Biased too much?
Almost 8 million people in a few days disagree?
The video showcased everything about the internals and gave super interesting infos on the cooling system.
Calling that uninteresting is idiotic.
It's their XSX teardown video with less than a million views in 6 months that people probably deemed uninteresting.
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Team Andromeda
Member
I very much doubt Alex is an Xbox fan at all. And it would be 'Far' more interesting if SONY actually gave the press a PS V so they could play it and also a Tera down with members of the press present
But like usual on here, Restera or the Twitter one can't be in any shape or way negative against PlayStation...
I've noticed that 'projection' and 'victim card' are two of your regular go-to smears for attempting to avoid an actual response. They don't actually apply here and they're right up there with 'strawman' on my list of cheap, lazy retorts. FWIW, none of those are mic-drops. Using those phrases is not an instant argument winner.
Sorry to break it to you.
The post about DF not discussing Sony's video and preferring to do their own is not evidence of bias. If anything it's a sign of professionalism. They're the biggest site of their type, yet you want them to wax lyrical about Sony's teardown purely on faith? They should wait till they have their hands on the hardware and do their own teardown.
I've heard a lot of people, such as your good self, claim that DF is anti-Sony. Yet I've never seen any of you present a single piece of compelling evidence to support the claim.
Given that you're make a claim, it's up to you to prove that claim.
When you reply I hope to see the actual evidence of this clear bias. Otherwise, don't bother.
See my other reply.So doing the teardown coverage in MS’s controlled environment after they flew him over and speculating for minutes and minutes on things he had no data on were ok, but doing an update/reaction video to Sony’s one was suddenly more interesting than an unpatched disc copy of Assassin’s Creed Unity running on XSX for almost 15 minutes?
Ok...
He absolutely is and back in March/April he was even trying to push the narrative about PS5 not being able to sustain peak clock on CPU and GPU at the same time.
He also made comments about how there was nothing particularly wrong with the Halo Infinite showcase....
He is biased. It's not an insult or anything, everyone has preferences. He has them and are certainly not towards Playstation.
Sony's video was very informative and interesting, it gave infos about the cooling system (which was the key issue that needed a teardown video in first place), it gave infos about where the SSD bay is, how to access it, about the dust traps to clean the system more easily.
Calling that uninteresting just because Sony is handling the whole marketing by themselves (and successfully based on views and likes metrics) and didn't give any exclusive to them or other gaming websites is obviously wrong and ridicolous.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
I remember that in the first reaction video with all 3 DF guys he was super happy with it and the other two pretty much told him all that was wrong about it.
Maybe his opinion changed later, but at first he lived in a pink bubble.
FrankWza
Member
you’re right. But calling it uninteresting raises some eyebrows. They’re the biggest site of that type,no? There was more than enough for these experts to comment on. There are still questions that can be answered. All from that video. They have series x and know it is dram-less. It appears the PS5s SSD has dram.(I know nothing is 100% unless it’s officially confirmed) That’s one example where their input would be valued. This is interesting stuff for enthusiasts, it has to be interesting for a site like theirs. They don’t have to comment, but calling it uninteresting...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I used the words I used because they applied to you, interesting you see it as a fight where people try to score points/win arguments.
It is also quite hilarious how you sprinkle evidence lacking very direct statements (“you want them to wax lyrics on PS5” and “you claim Digital Foundry is anti-Sony”) to then close with a “present compelling evidence (in a thread showing Battaglia being unprofessional, not commenting is an acceptable answer...) or do not bother replying”.
Doing something you accuse someone else of doing... that is projecting mate and you know it.
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