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[twilo99]

It was never a change, it was fully planned and they went out of thier way to decieve, which is actually different.

Still, not far from what a normal corp would do in the name of profits..

 

[MMaRsu]

"sneaky"???

They straight up lied for Brownie points in their battle against Xbox.

Arogant sony is fucking shit Sony.

 

[Sinthor]

Oh no! Sony are terrible for adding an extra SKU to their line-up! How consumer-unfriendly that they aren't gating access to the 7th instalment in a series going back to PS1 behind ownership of an expensive supply-constrained console. The actual BASTARDS!

Has it occurred to you that adding an extra SKU isn't necessarily subtractive to the quality of the lead SKU? That likely an internal review during development would assess the viability of doing a PS4 build in terms of opportunity cost and technical feasibility and a decision would be made based on that?

No. Multiple people have already addressed this, but here's the central issue. By targeting games so that they will run on 9 year old hardware, those games are necessarily limited in scope. The PS5 has twice the memory, many times greater power on the processor side and a staggering jump on the I/O side. By targeting the earlier platform to run the "same game" these games are necessarily limited to relatively minor improvements for PS5. Increased resolution and frame rate and better loading times. Possibly haptics and maybe 3D audio. But anyone being objective will acknowledge that if you were targeting solely the new hardware, you could implement things that would not be possible on PS4. So they are being limited in that way, when in the past, 1st party offerings were what really showed off the new capabilities and power of a new console.

People can argue whether it's a good decision or not, but you can't argue the mechanics of the thing. Namely, that cross generational titles ARE limited in ways that games designed solely for a new console are not. The new R&C game is a great example. It's doing things you simply cannot do on a PS4. Horizon and GoW won't have those things.

 

[Sinthor]

I'm actually surprised the consoles haven't been turned into political mascots yet for either party. I guess I'll take the console warring we have over that, unfortunate as it is. Seems like a lot of entertainment these days almost falls into a Republican or Democrat genre, whether it's overly political or not.

Well, that's a nice American-centric point of view, I suppose. But the consoles serving a wide and international market keep them from that sort of thing. Yes, I have no doubt that if the market were just the United States that we'd see SOME kind of lunacy like you describe.

 

[NickFire]

The whole point of not having to cater to the lowest common denominator when designing games that take advantage of next gen features like a fast SSD is thrown out the window when you still are designing games for the lowest common denominator via cross gen development.

If one agrees that cross gen is holding back Halo Infinite, I don't see how that same person can think it's not holding back Sony games too.

If anyone thinks PS5 owners are being snobs for wanting to cut the PS4 cord, please read this post. It's not about exclusion. It's about the foundation of the game.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

They deserve it. It doesn't really hurt anyone, but lies add up. Someday Sony won't be trusted by even their most hardcore fans if they keep this up. Hopefully Ryan is gone soon.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Well, that's a nice American-centric point of view, I suppose. But the consoles serving a wide and international market keep them from that sort of thing. Yes, I have no doubt that if the market were just the United States that we'd see SOME kind of lunacy like you describe.

Entertainment being part of the international market doesn't prevent it from being politicized in America.

Is this one of those "Americans are so self-centered" things? Just wondering. I don't think it applies here, if so.

 

[FatKingBallman]

And yes, I really dont understand why Sony cannot even be criticized for a week for their lies. No ones feelings are getting hurt by us talking about it on forums lol. I am not sending Jimbo any death threats. The Alanah Pearce stuff was unacceptable but attractive women like her get death and rape threats for just about everything so this is just another excuse for psycopaths to go off on her. We are harsh on Sony and Microsoft because we care. I dont even bother talking about Ubisoft and Nintendo. I really couldnt care less about their output.

F FatKingBallman Let it to man, we all get it, you're ready to take a bullet for Jim Ryan, you have our respect, but there's no reason to be angry because other people have different view on the topic. Sony lied straight in people's face and got caught (actually they exposed themselves which makes the whole situation even more funny), there's no reason to defend them, unless you're getting a big fat check for doing so.

The worst thing about it all is that the self same defenders of Sony now, would have been the ones last year hauling Microsoft over the coals for the exact same thing. And reversely, I’m seeing XBox stans now having the fucking cheek to complain about Sony going cross gen!

Theres always been a rivalry between the two dominant video games companies over the years, but I don’t remember it ever being quite as dumb and hypocritical as it is these days.

Yeah, I think console warring hasnt been this bad since the SDF days here on gaf, but even then Sony fans used to openly mock others for their I am a Japanese expert posts, and SDF itself was a self mocking meme. Everyone is just so entrenched in their opinions there is no wiggle room. You are either with us or against us.

It's something you only see in video games btw. In sports, fans are very critical of their teams. Listen to any sports radio show, people will call in ANGRY and demand either the coach be fired or an underperforming player traded. Here we defend Phil Spencer for saying there will be no next gen first party games for 2-3 years. We defend Jim Ryan for misleading consumers. He was literally asked by Rueters if GoW was a next gen only title during a PS5 launch interview and he said, "I have nothing to say about it at the moment." Yeah, sure thats not misleading at all on the eve of launch.

So, honest question, where Jim Ryan lied here? Or bunch of you will take his words out of context?

"It's been a real rollercoaster of a year," Ryan tells us. "We realised a couple of months ago that we were going to have to spend a lot more time paying attention to the PS4 community than we had anticipated, as that community, along with everybody else in the world, went into lockdown.

"We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that [PS4] community for several years after the launch of PS5 and that it represented a huge business opportunity for us," Ryan says. "The numbers are quite straightforward. If you say in broad brush figures that we have a community of 100 million PS4 owners right now, and in the first couple of years... I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 25 million might migrate to PS5, that still leaves a huge number of people with PS4s. And that community is demonstrating an amazing stickiness, and willingness to stay engaged that, I think, the events of the past few months have just reinforced what we knew already.

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."


Or you will continue to spin??

Only outlier here is GT7 which was officialy advertised as PS5 exclusive, but what happened recently, who knows.
Sony deliverd 4 next-gen games since launch. Claiming otherwise is dumb at least. Claiming that Sony never released cross-gen games till now is dumb at least. Some members here claimed also that Cerny lied about SSD and game design around it.That is dumb at least.

 

[Sinthor]

Entertainment being part of the international market doesn't prevent it from being politicized in America.

Is this one of those "Americans are so self-centered" things? Just wondering. I don't think it applies here, if so.

Yep, I wasn't ripping on you at all. I was just pointing out I think you'd be (sadly) completely right if the market was just the US. Fortunately, it's not. Now what we ARE seeing is the politicization of the GAMES. Western developers are talking about it and making no attempt to hide it. Look up recent statements about Far Cry 6 where Ubi basically got bullied into stating publicly that they ARE making a political story, etc. So you've got a point regardless, but I think we're going to continue to see this in the medium itself, just not the hardware.

 

[FunkMiller]

So, honest question, where Jim Ryan lied here? Or bunch of you will take his words out of context?

"It's been a real rollercoaster of a year," Ryan tells us. "We realised a couple of months ago that we were going to have to spend a lot more time paying attention to the PS4 community than we had anticipated, as that community, along with everybody else in the world, went into lockdown.

"We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that [PS4] community for several years after the launch of PS5 and that it represented a huge business opportunity for us," Ryan says. "The numbers are quite straightforward. If you say in broad brush figures that we have a community of 100 million PS4 owners right now, and in the first couple of years... I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 25 million might migrate to PS5, that still leaves a huge number of people with PS4s. And that community is demonstrating an amazing stickiness, and willingness to stay engaged that, I think, the events of the past few months have just reinforced what we knew already.

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."


Or you will continue to spin??

Only outlier here is GT7 which was announced as PS5 exclusive, but what happened recently, who knows.
Sony deliverd 4 next-gen games since launch. Claiming otherwise is dumb at least. Claiming that Sony never released cross-gen games till now is dumb at least

Thank you for neatly exemplifying the point we're all making.

Anyone from a rational standpoint can sit back and agree that while Sony have indeed had a few cross gen games in the past, it has never been their strategy to put out major titles on both the old and the new console. This is a new strategy on their part for this generation. Some titles are indeed exclusives, but more are cross gen. This has never happened before.

Also, it is quite clear for anyone with a memory better than a goldfish that last year Sony were more than happy to join the throng of criticism levelled at Microsoft for going cross gen, while remaining conspicuously quiet about the fact that so many of their own triple AAA game releases were to be cross gen as well. This is not to excuse Microsoft's strategy - it's equally shit - but Sony are now singing from the same hymn sheet on many of their upcoming games, with the added extra bonus that they weren't honest about it from the start.

But yeah, you keep quoting the same one or two corporate lines from Jim Ryan, and calling anyone who has the temerity to criticise Sony Xbox fanboys. The only person who comes out of that looking like a silly cunt is you.

 

[kikonawa]

Do people really care if its crossgen or not?

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Yep, I wasn't ripping on you at all. I was just pointing out I think you'd be (sadly) completely right if the market was just the US. Fortunately, it's not. Now what we ARE seeing is the politicization of the GAMES. Western developers are talking about it and making no attempt to hide it. Look up recent statements about Far Cry 6 where Ubi basically got bullied into stating publicly that they ARE making a political story, etc. So you've got a point regardless, but I think we're going to continue to see this in the medium itself, just not the hardware.

Again, the market doesn't need to just be in the US for this to happen.

I guess you're not from around here, but no worries, I will fill you in - Lately much our entertainment (yes, international entertainment too) has found homes with either the right or left - at least in online discourse. Someone may be quick to assume a lot about someone based on whether or not they are fans of "Joker" or "Captain Marvel". These movies are played around the world, they aren't just for America, but that doesn't provide them from being tied to political parties within America.

 

[phil_t98]

I understand. But what needs to be factored in is that like any constraint, if you design intelligently you can work around it and even use it to your advantage.

For example, setting up a tunnel with a blind corner is not only a good way to hide heavy asset switching, but it allows you to do a more impactful reveal of a new scene or vista as its a surprise. A great example of this is in Dark Souls 3 where you exit from the catacombs out to the snowy city.

As I stressed before, just because you can, doesn't mean you should always. Punctuation is important in writing understandable sentences, and the sames goes for the visual grammar of storytelling in a game.

I think the key thing that a lot of people missed about Cerny's presentation was that it was a repurposed GDC address. It was intended for industry professionals who are as concerned with process as much as (if not more than) result. As a gamer you might be irked by a slow transition, but trust me, its nothing compared with having to put up with them dozens of times over a working day as you are iterating and testing the thing!

Yeah i agree and that’s how last gen worked, the thing is we were promised that next gen wouldnt have these limitations and its gonna be towards the end of the gen we will see the sequels to these games that will. Use the full power of the ps5 and have the levels designed for that

 

[FatKingBallman]

Anyone from a rational standpoint can sit back and agree that while Sony have indeed had a few cross gen games in the past, it has never been their strategy to put out major titles on both the old and the new console.

False. If they released a cross-gen games in the past, then surely they didn't do it without some internal plan or strategy.

But yeah, you keep quoting the same one or two corporate lines from Jim Ryan.

That quote is the most important part. Where Jim Ryan clearly implied that PS4 will still get some support over the coming years.

 

[phil_t98]

Yes, he did. God Of War anf Gran Turismo aren't the only games. Ratchet and Returnal delivered what Cerny said, and Xbox fans, cut the crap with spinning.



Returnal and Ratchet doesn't have this problem.



Yeah, it's better for him not waste his time being all the time wrong.



LOL. It is nice to see how you defend his WRONG opinion about how Sony never released cross-gen games before. As he claimed is a PS fan, then surely he should know about previous released cross-gen games.




Only This Is Football wasn't cross-gen from their sport franchises i think

Your pointing to games that are ps5 only, so you dont think god of war will be held back by last gen limitations or Thame design?

 

[FatKingBallman]

Your pointing to games that are ps5 only, so you dont think god of war will be held back by last gen limitations or Thame design?

Yes it will in some cases. No need to think otherwise. But claiming that Cerny lied or he was wrong about SSD and game design around it is idiotic. Returnal and Ratchet are here and proved how it works. No need to claimed he was wrong or he lied.

 

[phil_t98]

Yes it will in some cases. No need to think otherwise. But claiming that Cerny lied or he was wrong about SSD and game design around it is idiotic. Returnal and Ratchet are here and proved how it works. No need to claimed he was wrong or he lied.

So where have i said he lied? I never said he was wrong about the SSD i said that the features he was talking about are not gonna happen while games are cross gen

 

[FatKingBallman]

So where have i said he lied? I never said he was wrong about the SSD i said that the features he was talking about are not gonna happen while games are cross gen

Probably you didn't. But you were talkative about SSD in the last few posts, so i've mixed up your posts with others ( where someone mentioned that Cerny lied LOL )

 

[SlimySnake]

No. Multiple people have already addressed this, but here's the central issue. By targeting games so that they will run on 9 year old hardware, those games are necessarily limited in scope. The PS5 has twice the memory, many times greater power on the processor side and a staggering jump on the I/O side. By targeting the earlier platform to run the "same game" these games are necessarily limited to relatively minor improvements for PS5. Increased resolution and frame rate and better loading times. Possibly haptics and maybe 3D audio. But anyone being objective will acknowledge that if you were targeting solely the new hardware, you could implement things that would not be possible on PS4. So they are being limited in that way, when in the past, 1st party offerings were what really showed off the new capabilities and power of a new console.

People can argue whether it's a good decision or not, but you can't argue the mechanics of the thing. Namely, that cross generational titles ARE limited in ways that games designed solely for a new console are not. The new R&C game is a great example. It's doing things you simply cannot do on a PS4. Horizon and GoW won't have those things.

Part of the reason why people cant imagine the next gen upgrades is because of last gen's paltry upgrade in the CPU department. We saw no real improvements in interactivity and physics last gen which could explain why some people cant even wrap their heads around what these potential improvements can be because we are stuck on 2005 level hardware.

I think the last time we saw a massive increase in physics was in Half Life 2. The A.I is still stuck in the mid 2000s when Crysis, FEAR and Far Cry set new standards for enemy A.I. Battlefield Bad Company 2 had better destruction than anything we saw this gen. And thats a 2008 game. This gen has remained so stagnant in terms of interactivity and physics that it has literally sapped the imagination out of its consumers. And thats kinda depressing.

 

[phil_t98]

Probably you didn't. But you were talkative about SSD in the last few posts, so i've mixed up your posts with others ( where someone mentioned that Cerny lied LOL )

No i was saying that games cant fully take advantage of the SSD while they are cross gen. we will still get choke points in levels where ps4 will need to load assets and things for the next bit of the level

 

[FatKingBallman]

No i was saying that games cant fully take advantage of the SSD while they are cross gen. we will still get choke points in levels where ps4 will need to load assets and things for the next bit of the level

Not fully, but it can. Especially for texture streaming and loadings.

 

[INC]

We believe in generations....

They do

This gen, and last gen

Thats generations.......

 

[ANDS]

Is there anything that God of War and GT7 are wanting to do that they can't on old hardware? No. Then what is the issue. This sounds like tech-wankery to be honest and this idea that SONY is being "sneaky" or trying to pull the wool over folks eyes is absurd. These games are nowhere close to being released; maybe if we were a month out and they announced this sure, cancel your pre-order (if you REALLY think the gameplay is going to be held back by the tech).

. . .and as someone mentioned on the first page, we have ALREADY received exclusive titles for the PS5, including titles that are doing things the PS4 family can not do.

 

[phil_t98]

Not fully, but it can. Especially for texture streaming and loadings.

Yeah but what’s a few seconds here and there with loading. texture streaming i get but again we want full next gen designed god of war and others.

 

[SlimySnake]

They do

This gen, and last gen

Thats generations.......

I believe in being faithful

Faithful to my wife
my mistress
my whores

 

[Stuart360]

I believe in being faithful

Faithful to my wife
my mistress
my whores

 

[INC]

I believe in being faithful

Faithful to my wife
my mistress
my whores

Now ya learning

 

[ZywyPL]

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

Right there, you even bolded it, thanks. It's been talked to death how Jaguar CPU is holding entire industry back by the devs themselves, maybe you don't see it or purposely don't wanna see it, maybe pretty graphics is all you care about, or maybe you just forgotten how advanced games used to be, as SlimySnake perfectly described in his latest post. I said it a few times already and I'll say it again, I'm yet to be wowed by any new next-gen gameplay, I'm still waiting for the moment where I'll be able to say "WOW, I have never experienced anything like this before!". Last time it happened was in Titanfall 2 and Portal, those two had amazing gameplay mechanics, not to mention games like HL2, Crysis, FEAR, Killzone 2, Bad Company 2 that have set so many bars so damn high, those are the games still technically way above what we saw during entire PS360 era, even the next-gen only games released so far are far behind, they look prettier sure, but that's it, they're like those girls who put a ton of make-up an dsexy dress, but when you get them to bed they just lie like a dead frog with legs wide spread, instead of riding you like a damn rodeo. Same with games, there's way more into them than just looks. Unless that's all you need/seel, but then again, don;t be upset thet other have much higher expectatiosn than that.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

Well if that's next-gen in Sony's eye they shouldn't even bother making PS5, instead just make proprietary add-ons to PS4/Pro like headphones, new controller and a 2'5 format SSD to replace the stock one. There it is, next-gen experience.

 

[FunkMiller]

I believe in being faithful

Faithful to my wife
my mistress
my whores

It’s spelt ‘horse’.

And you’d better not be unfaithful to Madame Clippety Clop. She’s a fucking stunner.

 

[Clear]

No. Multiple people have already addressed this, but here's the central issue. By targeting games so that they will run on 9 year old hardware, those games are necessarily limited in scope. The PS5 has twice the memory, many times greater power on the processor side and a staggering jump on the I/O side. By targeting the earlier platform to run the "same game" these games are necessarily limited to relatively minor improvements for PS5. Increased resolution and frame rate and better loading times. Possibly haptics and maybe 3D audio. But anyone being objective will acknowledge that if you were targeting solely the new hardware, you could implement things that would not be possible on PS4. So they are being limited in that way, when in the past, 1st party offerings were what really showed off the new capabilities and power of a new console.

People can argue whether it's a good decision or not, but you can't argue the mechanics of the thing. Namely, that cross generational titles ARE limited in ways that games designed solely for a new console are not. The new R&C game is a great example. It's doing things you simply cannot do on a PS4. Horizon and GoW won't have those things.

Its still a fallacious argument where factoring in more resources at the outset must produce a better end result than one that receives the benefit of the same resources later on in development.

You cannot treat a hypothetical, as a certainty. Especially not with game-dev.

Not every game need, nor should, be built like Rift Apart. Its entirely possible for an enhanced version of high-quality PS4 game to be better than one built exclusively for PS5.

People need to get past this superficial belief that the technology used to create the illusion and the entertainment is the significant element.
Its not that at all, its simply about having a clear vision and executing on it as flawlessly as humanly possible.

 

[Umbasaborne]

Good, it wont do much, but sony needs to be called out on there shit. Even if the brand loyal hoards will come out to defend everything they do

 

[ethomaz]

I said before I agree with them and that is my opinion... Sony should works only on PS5 exclusives from now on.

But the timing of DF's video was pretty bad because few days late Sony reoeases a fully PS5 exclusives ahead everything else in the market basically making this video pointless.

 

[FunkMiller]

Its not that at all, its simply about having a clear vision and executing on it as flawlessly as humanly possible.

Which is what SSM did with God Of War... and it’s one of the greatest games ever made, because they pushed the ps4 as hard as they could.

They cannot do that with Ragnarok and the Ps5... so we’ll be getting more of the same, instead of another boundary pushing game.

This is disappointing.

 

[Raekwon26]

Which is what SSM did with God Of War... and it’s one of the greatest games ever made, because they pushed the ps4 as hard as they could.

They cannot do that with Ragnarok and the Ps5... so we’ll be getting more of the same, instead of another boundary pushing game.

This is disappointing.

Fully agree.

Add to the fact they put out ONE game last gen, I'm not getting my hopes up that they put out another.

 

[Sinthor]

Its still a fallacious argument where factoring in more resources at the outset must produce a better end result than one that receives the benefit of the same resources later on in development.

You cannot treat a hypothetical, as a certainty. Especially not with game-dev.

Not every game need, nor should, be built like Rift Apart. Its entirely possible for an enhanced version of high-quality PS4 game to be better than one built exclusively for PS5.

People need to get past this superficial belief that the technology used to create the illusion and the entertainment is the significant element.
Its not that at all, its simply about having a clear vision and executing on it as flawlessly as humanly possible.

'You cannot treat a hypothetical as a certainty, Especially not with game-dev.'

So by your rules your own argument is false because you can't treat any hypothetical with certainty. I can say it's being held back and you can say it's not, and nobody is right or wrong. Ok!

The fact is that OBVIOUSLY we're not talking certainties. Obviously. But informed speculation IS valid and in this case we already know the answer. I never said every game is like or should be like R&C, but what....you think that Guerrilla and Santa Monica couldn't think of things to do with their games that wouldn't be possible on the PS4 in the same way what we see in R&C wouldn't be possible? Really? People have talked for years about how in the GoW dragon fight it had to be in the clouds due to the load on the processor and GPU.... So that's one example where today making that game for PS5 they'd have to do the same to ensure that the 'same game' plays on both consoles. That's called a LIMITATION. There will even simply be limitations on the number of objects and textures that can be loaded in. Bottom line, anyone who understands the electronics industry knows that 9 years is a LONG time and a VAST gulf in technology. Look at processors alone and where they were 9 years ago compared to now.

That's all we're saying. There WILL be limitations as a result of this decision and we will not see what the PS5 really can do until 1st parties are allowed to design for the PS5 only.

 

[CatLady]

Fuck me... anyone who doesn't just agree that Sony are wonderful all of the time is an XBox fan? Grow the fuck up.

I've been on this forum for years and have always been a Playstation fan, but I'm big enough and old enough to be able to accept it when they do something bad.

FML, this console war shit is pathetic.

Come on, you have to admit it's kind of awe-inspiring the the spin, rationalizations and lengths the mighty Sony Fanboy Army will go to revise history in defense of Mother Sony. But what can I say except, welcome to Team Green new Xbox fanboy

 

[abel empire]

Won't get a GT or GOW that takes full advantage of Ps5 for years now, especially GT, considering how long it takes for each new version to be released.

Very disappointed with this news considering they are two of Sony's biggest games

Incompetent leadership, they are after money so theyll lie cheat of they have to

So... aren't you basically agreeing with me then?

No ratchet and clank is completely next gen and i knew that as soon as they started flipping levels in a second and the amount of detail and lighting in demon souls looked nextgen, but i always had a hunch that resident evil and forbiden west where enhanced titles, i wasnt born yesterday i can tell when simething isnt next gen try looking at god of war 3 and 4 they are completely worlds apart in detail thats going from using 512mb of ram budgets to 8gb. Memory is always the culprit, a game designed to use ps5s 16gb + that ssd virtual ram io tech would always look different. Any veteran gamer can tell

 

[abel empire]

Of course xbox fan will trying to downplay 4 PS5 next-gen titles only, when his Xbox has nothing. Astro, Demon's, Returnal and Ratchet are cheap games. :/



Demon's Souls Remake is a true-next gen title. And it is a exclusive.
Astro in not just a tech demo. Find me a tech demo which last 8 hours. Tech demo is for example a first UE5 showcase

No need to spin it.



Then you should know which 1st party games were released and are next-gen only if you have a PS5.

Im the biggest playstation fan, for the quality of production and their engineering thats bot to say i hate xbox or i shouldnt criticise playstation, from what i saw in demons souls geometric density and lighting to returnals physics and particles to ratchet and clanks world streaming tech i wanted all that to come to god of war and gt7, because they would have looked magical but sonys leadership had other stupid ideas and held a blockbuster game like god of war back with ps4 hardware now all youll see is an enhanced experience like miles morales bothing nextgen at all,

Even forbiden west as much as it was spectacular it wasnt nextgen as a graphics artist since 14 years old and now 27 i can tell things that i know look last gen, and i can tell whats enhanced.

 

[quest]

I said before I agree with them and that is my opinion... Sony should works only on PS5 exclusives from now on.

But the timing of DF's video was pretty bad because few days late Sony reoeases a fully PS5 exclusives ahead everything else in the market basically making this video pointless.

Bad timing lol it was right after Sony finally admitted to 2 tent pole franchises being crossgen over a year after announcing them. It's like saying Sunday night will be the wrong day to discuss Microsoft's E3 show lol. Nice try to deflect.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Come on, you have to admit it's kind of awe-inspiring the the spin, rationalizations and lengths the mighty Sony Fanboy Army will go to revise history in defense of Mother Sony. But what can I say except, welcome to Team Green new Xbox fanboy

OMG they changed the little logo in the corner of the GT7 trailer 2 years before release. I'm so ANGRY!! Absolutely disgusting

I hope one day you finally experience next-gen games like 5/5 from Grubb Ratchet & Clank instead of this pointless crusade you're on. God bless.

 

[ethomaz]

Bad timing lol it was right after Sony finally admitted to 2 tent pole franchises being crossgen over a year after announcing them. It's like saying Sunday night will be the wrong day to discuss Microsoft's E3 show lol. Nice try to deflect.

Well it was a bad timing.

R&C is basically the very opposite of what they talked in the video.
It is a big slap in the face of people that keep doubting the "believe in generations" claim... Sony is just delivering like usual.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Come on, you have to admit it's kind of awe-inspiring the the spin, rationalizations and lengths the mighty Sony Fanboy Army will go to revise history in defense of Mother Sony. But what can I say except, welcome to Team Green new Xbox fanboy

Embarrassing but that’s par the course for you.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Go? It's gone my good man. 14 pages of this dross.

Absolutely disgusting.

You're one of those 50ppp people huh?

 

[MScarpa]

Says the MS fan.

I know you aren't talking about me. I'm on on my PS5 right now finishing up Uncharted 3 remastered, so you need to check that shit at the door kiddo. Unlike some of you warriors, I can enjoy ALL games. So chill with that "I'm a MS fan"

 

[Rubim]

People were outraged about the lack of PS4 support, now are outraged about the inclusion of PS4 support.
Yet we had zero MS AAA games on XSX since Gears5 DLC.

I don't get why people are freaking out about this.

Does Horizon look like a crossgen title to any of you?

Wont look like a crossgen but will play like it.

You can put as many Graphics HD mods on Skyrim, gameplay will still be the same.

 

[SaucyJack]

Thank you for neatly exemplifying the point we're all making.

Anyone from a rational standpoint can sit back and agree that while Sony have indeed had a few cross gen games in the past, it has never been their strategy to put out major titles on both the old and the new console. This is a new strategy on their part for this generation. Some titles are indeed exclusives, but more are cross gen. This has never happened before.

Also, it is quite clear for anyone with a memory better than a goldfish that last year Sony were more than happy to join the throng of criticism levelled at Microsoft for going cross gen, while remaining conspicuously quiet about the fact that so many of their own triple AAA game releases were to be cross gen as well. This is not to excuse Microsoft's strategy - it's equally shit - but Sony are now singing from the same hymn sheet on many of their upcoming games, with the added extra bonus that they weren't honest about it from the start.

But yeah, you keep quoting the same one or two corporate lines from Jim Ryan, and calling anyone who has the temerity to criticise Sony Xbox fanboys. The only person who comes out of that looking like a silly cunt is you.

He's quoted you exactly what Jim Ryan actually said but you’re still going with the narrative, eh? Oh well.

Whether they did cross-gen in prior generations or not is irrelevant to the argument and just really represents a shift in the goal posts from people that still want to shit on Sony when the facts aren’t going in their direction.

What Sony have always done is support their previous generation consoles. I’m really not sure how anyone would have expected cross-gen PS3/PS4 development to go considering the difference in architecture, that said Sony first party released some tremendous PS3 games in the PS4's launch year, all the way up to GT6. This time round the architectures are far more similar allowing a degree of scalability that wasn’t there in prior gens hence some gross-gen titles.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Do people really care if its crossgen or not?

On GAF (which is a small slice of the pie) the people care deeply.

Your average casual gamer (which makes up for the majority of the market) doesn't give a shit. All they know is these games are also coming to PS4 (which they most likely own) and they couldn't be happier.

I've said it before. These new games also coming to PS4 will make a whole lot of that PS userbase happy because majority of that 110+ million userbase is still on previous gen so the 'outrage' will only be confined to enthusiast forums like GAF. I seriously doubt you'd find a PS4 throwing a fit because these games are coming to his platform LOL

 

[Reindeer]

Lol this thread, anyone who voices anything remotely close to constructive criticism towards Sony is automatically labelled as Xbot, even though that same person may have been a PlayStation gamer for most of his life. This forum is reaching a new low when it comes to console warring, absolute shambles.

 

[Shmunter]

Lol this thread, anyone who voices anything remotely close to constructive criticism towards Sony is automatically labelled as Xbot, even though that same person may have been a PlayStation gamer for most of his life. This forum is reaching a new low when it comes to console warring, absolute shambles.

True fans of Sony are fans of Sony due to one thing only - because of how they do things. The style, the quality, etc. when this high watermark isn’t met, those fans call it out.

Did Xbox fans call out MS cross gen stance, or gimped XsS, or was it almost universal repetition of Phil’s talking points? I don’t want to generalise and belittle those that stood up to such failings. But no respect for corporate shilling.

 

[Reindeer]

True fans of Sony are fans of Sony due to one thing only - because of how they do things. The style, the quality, etc. when this high watermark isn’t met, those fans call it out.

Did Xbox fans call out MS cross gen stance, or gimped XsS, or was it almost universal repetition of Phil’s talking points? I don’t want to generalise and belittle those that stood up to such failings. But no respect for corporate shilling.

Xbox fans have been conditioned with mediocrity and therefore have very low standards as a result, something Sony fans would not have approved of in the past. I am seeing a change though, you have some Sony fans who are shilling for whatever Sony is doing because they feel like it's their defense against attacks from Xbox fans. You now have this division among Sony fans with some being ostracized because they aren't willing to shill and keep quite.

I just find it funny how people who I've known as PlayStation gamers on this forum are being called Xbots simply because they disagree with some directions that Sony is taking. It boggles my mind how some people think you can't criticise these mega corporations and simply have to go along with everything they say and do. This is what consumer slavery looks like.