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December 2011 NPD Predictions - Closes Jan. 9

Gadfly

While flying into a tree he exclaimed "Egad!"
Why people think this year the PS3's growth from Nov to Dec will not be as much as it was last year? and at the same time they think 360's growth will be more?
 
Why people think this year the PS3's growth from Nov to Dec will not be as much as it was last year? and at the same time they think 360's growth will be more?
Some reasons I can think of.

1. PS3 had the popular BF bundle that sold out this year and was likely the main cog in the November sales. Not many price promotions in December.

2. 360 had shortages last December so the full on Kinect hype was unrealized. They also had a ton of December price promotions this year(gift cards in every major retailer).

3. 360/Kinect was the must have holiday gift based on various factors including women pepper spraying the crowd to get a deal on the 360 during Black Friday. That type of hysteria has been previously attributed to must have Christmas gifts like Beanie Babies and Tickle Me Elmo.

4. PS3's Dec growth last year was primarily due to the incredibly lackluster Nov sales, not due to some kind of Nov-Dec growth pattern.

5. NPD predictions threads are mainly made of people's guesses that are similar to throwing darts at the wall and aren't a bunch of thoughtful, educated guesses.

6. Tebow!
 

Gadfly

While flying into a tree he exclaimed "Egad!"
Some reasons I can think of.

1. PS3 had the popular BF bundle that sold out this year and was likely the main cog in the November sales. Not many price promotions in December.

2. 360 had shortages last December so the full on Kinect hype was unrealized. They also had a ton of December price promotions this year(gift cards in every major retailer).

3. 360/Kinect was the must have holiday gift based on various factors including women pepper spraying the crowd to get a deal on the 360 during Black Friday. That type of hysteria has been previously attributed to must have Christmas gifts like Beanie Babies and Tickle Me Elmo.

4. PS3's Dec growth last year was primarily due to the incredibly lackluster Nov sales, not due to some kind of Nov-Dec growth pattern.

5. NPD predictions threads are mainly made of people's guesses that are similar to throwing darts at the wall and aren't a bunch of thoughtful, educated guesses.

6. Tebow!

Given 5 above, 6 was redundant!
 
I believe Gamestop will be releasing holiday sales numbers tomorrow morning. Doubtful there will be any specific unit numbers but should give a decent idea on how things were compared to previous years.
 

Kenka

Member
Let's dive :

[360] 2200K
[3DS] 1600K
[WII] 1200K
[PS3] 1400K
[NDS] 350K


No PSP makes me a sad panda :-(
 

Nemo

Will Eat Your Children
[360] 2600k
[3DS] 1660k
[NDS] 380k
[PS3] 1530k
[WII] 1290k

Glad this got bumped, almost forgot to do it!
 

jvm

Gamasutra.
Pachter says:

360 = 2350K
PS3 = 1700K
3DS = 1625K
WII = 1100K
PSP = 325K
NDS = 275K
PS2 = 30K

EEDAR says:

360 = 2400K
WII = 1700K
3DS = 1650K
PS3 = 1350K
NDS = 650K
PSP = 375K
 

jvm

Gamasutra.
Quite different predictions there, did one of them get it the wrong way round by mistake? ;)
I'm fairly sure I've transcribed correctly. I'll double check.

Edit: Yeah, I think I've transcribed correctly. If there's a mistake, it's in the original document.
 
When was the last time that Pachter didn't underestimate 360 sales? Prior to Kinect?

(I base this on nothing other than my memory so I could be wrong, just seems like he's always low balling it.)
 

Nemo

Will Eat Your Children
Hmm, maybe DS is being underestimated. I think it might hit 500k when including XL and all
 

donny2112

Member
Pachter says:

360 = 2350K
PS3 = 1700K
3DS = 1625K
WII = 1100K
PSP = 325K
NDS = 275K
PS2 = 30K

EEDAR says:

360 = 2400K
WII = 1700K
3DS = 1650K
PS3 = 1350K
NDS = 650K
PSP = 375K

It seems Pachter paid attention to the Nintendo PR release on YTD sales. Maybe Jesse2040 missed that notice?
 
Pachter says:

360 = 2350K
PS3 = 1700K
3DS = 1625K
WII = 1100K
PSP = 325K
NDS = 275K
PS2 = 30K

EEDAR says:

360 = 2400K
WII = 1700K
3DS = 1650K
PS3 = 1350K
NDS = 650K
PSP = 375K

If the shipment and sales numbers we got from sony and MS are true i don't see how Pachters predictions could be true.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Pachter says:

360 = 2350K
PS3 = 1700K
3DS = 1625K
WII = 1100K
PSP = 325K
NDS = 275K
PS2 = 30K

EEDAR says:

360 = 2400K
WII = 1700K
3DS = 1650K
PS3 = 1350K
NDS = 650K
PSP = 375K
Pity that we wont get any PSP numbers. If these predictions for PSP are how much the PSP actually sells, then that is a lot more than what i thought it would be (i was thinking maybe like 100k).
 

Jharp

Member
Pachter says:

360 = 2350K
PS3 = 1700K
3DS = 1625K
WII = 1100K
PSP = 325K
NDS = 275K
PS2 = 30K

EEDAR says:

360 = 2400K
WII = 1700K
3DS = 1650K
PS3 = 1350K
NDS = 650K
PSP = 375K

I have a hard time siding with Pachter on that one.
 

jvm

Gamasutra.
Pity that we wont get any PSP numbers. If these predictions for PSP are how much the PSP actually sells, then that is a lot more than what i thought it would be (i was thinking maybe like 100k).
I have PSP at just over a million for the year to date, not counting December.
 
If the shipment and sales numbers we got from sony and MS are true i don't see how Pachters predictions could be true.

why not? on ms it looks about right, anywhere from 2-2.5m is likely, probably in the higher end of that range.

for example last year 4th quarter ms shipped worldwide 1.77 times as many 360's as npd reported sold in the usa in that quarter. if the multiplier is the same this time, they'd need to sell ~4.7 in the usa (1.77x4.7=8.4). so far we have 1.7 (nov)+~400k (oct)=2.1. So, they'd need about 2.6 in Dec NPD. so i guess by that reasoning pachter looks a little low, but nothing major.

But that assumes the multiplier is exactly 1.77, it actually can vary of course. just putting out some ballpark stuff.
 
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