Alfred's argument with Bruce was another really brutal scene because you could really see the emotion behind both of them and how much they loved each other. Both were close to crying and you could almost taste the emotions.
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Alfred's argument with Bruce was another really brutal scene because you could really see the emotion behind both of them and how much they loved each other. Both were close to crying and you could almost taste the emotions.
That scene drove me nut as well.
In general, Caine did amazing work with the material he had to work with. It's just... that a lot of that was contrived.
Every single one of his speeches was THAT speech that have been his 'scene' in BB and TDK.
I thought his Bane explanation was Spiderman 3-butler worthy.
gnarlyxcharlie
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That seemed to me like Bane had become some sort of mystical figure in Gotham by that point, where his backstory spread like wildfire to scare the people
bryanee
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Bloody amazing.
TDKR = TDK = BB
I cannot decide which is my favourite, all I know is what an awesome trilogy, probably the best trilogy there is.
Hathaway freaking nailed it. Every scene she was in I enjoyed the hell out of it. It was great introduction to her aswell, how dare she steal those perls.
Hardy was a beast, the first fight between him and Batman was brutal. There was only two instances in which I couldnt understand what he said. I actually had a harder time understanding Oldman in the hospital.
Talia was under used I thought but she served her purpose. Man that scene with Ra's gave me goosebumps. Neeson is god.
Bale did a great job in this, got to show more of his acting chops compared to the last film. He was especially good as Bruce. I loved the ending aswell.
I want to see it again. I think I'll book some more tickets for next week.
TDKR = TDK = BB
I cannot decide which is my favourite, all I know is what an awesome trilogy, probably the best trilogy there is.
Hathaway freaking nailed it. Every scene she was in I enjoyed the hell out of it. It was great introduction to her aswell, how dare she steal those perls.
Hardy was a beast, the first fight between him and Batman was brutal. There was only two instances in which I couldnt understand what he said. I actually had a harder time understanding Oldman in the hospital.
Talia was under used I thought but she served her purpose. Man that scene with Ra's gave me goosebumps. Neeson is god.
Bale did a great job in this, got to show more of his acting chops compared to the last film. He was especially good as Bruce. I loved the ending aswell.
I want to see it again. I think I'll book some more tickets for next week.
That's... precisely the reason why I read the spoilers. So I don't have to worry about hypothesizing anything.
I could make the converse argument that you guys are surrounding yourselves in the glow of the "first viewing." I feel like I've been given the chance to be more objective here.
Listen, if you know me from the OTs on this, I'm a huge fan of Nolan's Batmans. This didn't work for me. I wasn't trying to be critical, but I can't help but walk away with that feeling.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Just like in TDk. If you watch TDK again his voice is really fucked up at the end because Joker dropped that rail guard on his neck.
This movie needs a director cut.
Some people criticize the lack of development, but I think it's admirale for Nolan not having the film split in two (A dream for Studio suits) but, just like the Watchmen theatrical cut, that it had good intentions but there was not simply enough time. It doesn't amtter if it's 3hs 30min (Like Watchmen's Director Cut) but his movie needs it
Some people criticize the lack of development, but I think it's admirale for Nolan not having the film split in two (A dream for Studio suits) but, just like the Watchmen theatrical cut, that it had good intentions but there was not simply enough time. It doesn't amtter if it's 3hs 30min (Like Watchmen's Director Cut) but his movie needs it
And deserves it right now
I'm not sure why Alfred explaining Bane's profile to Bruce was ridiculous? Isnt Alfred using Bruce's systems in TDK? I mean he was already shown to be familiar with Bruce's tap into Gotham PD's servers and the rest of the Gotham databases, pulling up data and repeating it to Bruce doesnt make Alfred a Lucius. He was just being Bruce's Siri.
The movie we deserve, but not the one we need right now.
planar1280
Banned
Another question: I didnt catch how and why and when Blake got the GPS coordinates to the Bat Cave.
Also some of my fav moments:
1. The look on Alfreds face when he sees Bruce at the Cafe at the end. Grown men cried
2. The Look on Gordon face when he notices someone fixed the bat signal, that was the perfect happy expression
3. Bruce holding Gordon's hand in the hospital
4. When Gordon finds out Bruce is Batman with a flashback. Perfect
5. the WHOLE rise sequence, cry inducing, serious genius level direction
6. Fox's look when he realizes someone fixed the autopilot.
7. Bruce really looked crippled
8. 'One of you' has the detonator whole sequence from entrance to speech.
Also some of my fav moments:
1. The look on Alfreds face when he sees Bruce at the Cafe at the end. Grown men cried
2. The Look on Gordon face when he notices someone fixed the bat signal, that was the perfect happy expression
3. Bruce holding Gordon's hand in the hospital
4. When Gordon finds out Bruce is Batman with a flashback. Perfect
5. the WHOLE rise sequence, cry inducing, serious genius level direction
6. Fox's look when he realizes someone fixed the autopilot.
7. Bruce really looked crippled
8. 'One of you' has the detonator whole sequence from entrance to speech.
Damn, that's what I thought. Such a shame.
Another twenty to thirty minutes to the first half would probably push the movie into the masterpiece realm.
This movie was probably much better in the scripting stage, before they had to whittle it down.
It wasn't quite that bad for me. Had it been a lesser actor, it might have.
Because we don't really see him do his homework. It's just like he's instantly knowledgeable about it, and this database is saying stuff about the prison, his backstory, Ra's, everything. It wasn't casually revealed, but instead a massive info dump.
Bruce left the bag with the spelunking gear and the GPS co-ordinates for Blake in his will.
Running time. I'm glad they didnt show Alfred doing his homework.
Auron_Kale
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I figured that Bruce had known who Blake really was and planted it in his belongings prior to when Blake picked up his bag.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Yes. It makes sense to me because Alfred can use his database. Add in him being the man that burned a forest to the ground with his mercenary group.
It needs more all around... It takes, what, like four seconds for that scientist to convert the reactor into a functional time bomb? Then after Bane takes over we see so little of how it affects the average person, even though it covers a period of weeks. Everything was rushed.
The second act could have been much, much more. They needed some more sense of the populace's reaction to what's happening, for the despair to truly settle in.
Yeah. It becomes a simple good guys vs bad guys thing, cops vs robbers basically. Where are the average citizens? I think the only people we see are Wayne corp employees.
This especially stands out because Bane makes a point about offering hope and freedom to 'the people.'
I fucking loved the "Why do we fall Bruce" echoing from Thomas in Bruce's mind throughout all films, Nolan really wants us to see that Bruce loved his parents dearly and is one of the true inspirations (to this day) that really drives Batman & Bruce Wayne in general.
He does a good job of showing what details need to be prominent, prominent.
He does a good job of showing what details need to be prominent, prominent.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Really? I personally think the exact opposite.
Dog Problems
Banned
Oh, I loved the Croc reference and homage to this cover:
It's funny, I felt like that yesterday before I saw the movie.
But, honestly, I think this sort of dismissive reaction toward criticism is going to make this thread awful in a couple hours.
I thought it was a great movie, certainly one of the best comic book movies yet made, but one which is let down by its scope.
The stakes are higher than ever, but it never feels that way. Why can't we feel the risk? It was there in TDK, when Rachel died, and again on the ferries. This movie didn't have any moments like that.
It's weird, because the movie with the largest scope feels like the smallest movie in some ways. All of Gotham revolves around 7 or 8 people, and nobody else's opinions or reactions matter.
TheKaeptain
Banned
The average citizens were told to stay in their homes or die. How did you miss that?
Then that's when you cut to dozens of people, in their homes, reacting to this. It isn't hard. TDK had lots of reaction shots to the shit Joker was pulling. It gave the city an identity.
lazybones18
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His purpose was to be a complete prick who you couldn't wait to see die
rollingstart
Banned
So, will the Batman statue be outside some art museum the near future?
Audience was dead quiet when Bane kicked the shit out of Batman. They really didn't hold back. Bane was just viciously giving it to batman. Very good action all around.
Audience was dead quiet when Bane kicked the shit out of Batman. They really didn't hold back. Bane was just viciously giving it to batman. Very good action all around.
And how did they react to this? By vanishing completely?
Darth Pinche
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Overall I thought it was great! But weren't there leaked shots or scenes from the trailer that showed Catwoman riding the Batpod down some steps and a Tumbler firing into a building (same steps)? A lot happens but I don't remember seeing that in the film. Is there a deleted battle scene?
Pagusas
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is this sarcasm?
Wasnt there a scene with Wayne telling fox "get me back into the game" I dont recall seeing it in the theatre. I assume i was cut, but suggest that Wayne got the leg thing from Fox.
The kids in their homes. The people bunking out in high rises. The parties.
This seems like a weird critique to me. They establish the environs pretty consistently in the film.
When the threat is absolutely destruction of the city, it lessens the threat for a moviegoer, IMO. Smaller threats are more tangible.
For people who feel this is underwhelming film: Maybe it's because I saw all 3 movies in succession so I got a greater sense of everything being in context but I thought this movie fit PERFECTLY with the other two films. Yeah, TDK was a much more tightly paced film and maybe better for it but that's not the point. TDKR played a perfect role in putting an end to this brilliant trilogy. Nothing more, nothing less. Nolan loves playing with themes and sometimes suffers for it by not getting the little things right but I believe any missteps in the movie is completely forgiving. As a whole, this film was incredible.
Funny...as I was watching all three I kept thinking what Raimi could have done with the third Spider-Man film. It too could have been a brilliant trilogy. But...guess it wasn't meant to be.
Funny...as I was watching all three I kept thinking what Raimi could have done with the third Spider-Man film. It too could have been a brilliant trilogy. But...guess it wasn't meant to be.
That was all missing.
There was also a shot where you actually saw Modine's character get mowed over by the Tumbler, but it wasn't used. Instead, they just awkward cut to his dead, bloodless body.
Dog Problems
Banned
Not at all. When I think of Bane, I think of him like Hulk with that venom flowing through him. I think it could have been shown in a serious, non-cheesy way.
CosmicGroinPull
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That's a really good point. If I'm not mistaken some people said TDKR's length is the exact limit of an IMAX reel?
THings like Selina's cartwheel at the prison was abruptly cut, Bruce rappelling into Gordon's hospital room and the next moment he's in the midst of conversation with him; and didn't they film things like Selina driving the batpod through the mob fight and up some stairs? That didn't make it in.
ViewtifulJC
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The second act clumsily puts on this Occupy Wall-Street movement/Power to the People stuff, and then it's kinda swept under the rug for more cops vs army of bad guys.
I think that section stinks not just because the erratic pacing, but Bruce Wayne story aside, it's practically a wash between the first hour and the last 40 minutes. It's mostly this big blur of unimportant information and superfluous characters and sub-plots. The story shifts from one gear into another, and then back into the first gear again.
I think that section stinks not just because the erratic pacing, but Bruce Wayne story aside, it's practically a wash between the first hour and the last 40 minutes. It's mostly this big blur of unimportant information and superfluous characters and sub-plots. The story shifts from one gear into another, and then back into the first gear again.
Hero_of_the_Day
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And then you didn't get to. That was a weird cut to just show him, tank shooting, him dead on the ground.
I also watched the marathon and agree it was a great ending, but still the weakest of the three.
TheKaeptain
Banned
That cart wheel scene was still in...
Who else totally called the Talia twist way before it happened? Around the time they slept together, I was like, "Oh shit, she's Talia!" Then when they started saying Bane was Ra's's son later on, I started to doubt that and try to piece together how that could be possible... but somehow it didn't occur to me that the kid could've been a girl.
Didn't call Robin though. That was a cute reveal.
As for the movie in general? Eh... the ending was great, but the first two thirds just felt really slow and boring.
Didn't call Robin though. That was a cute reveal.
As for the movie in general? Eh... the ending was great, but the first two thirds just felt really slow and boring.
The first time she showed up in a trailer.
Nolan chickens out of criticizing the "power to the people" stuff (not that any citizen would believe it when he fucking wrecks a city and holds a nuke over everyone's head), so the movie drops it to make it a clear-cut good guys vs. bad guys struggle.
The second act of the movie is really strange, almost like it's just biding its time 'til the finale.
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