GreenTornadoX
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God dammit she's back to almost 22k. GHAHASKJFAFJKAJHFKLJAHFSKAJLSHLKAJDHLKAJSHDKALJSH
WHY? WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY?
God dammit she's back to almost 22k. GHAHASKJFAFJKAJHFKLJAHFSKAJLSHLKAJDHLKAJSHDKALJSH
WHY? WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY?
This has gone to way beyond disgusting for everyone involved.
My only advice to you guys is pretty much do what I've been doing for a while now: avoid supporting those sites, and yes, that includes kickstarter. I have no more outrage or pity in me for anyone on this beyond this point.
Yeah, shit like this is why I will never support Kickstarter. This lady has been nothing short of brilliantly manipulative, and idiots eager to pat themselves on the back are more than happy to fall for her shit.
I'm still at awe with media taking Susan's side 100% without even considering the other side. It's as if they're taking this opportunity to try and stick it to the internet.
I'm still at awe with media taking Susan's side 100% without even considering the other side. It's as if they're taking this opportunity to try and stick it to the internet.
Wow, entrepreneur but won't teach her kids anything. This was the perfect time to teach her how to run a small thing like a lemonade stand (and apparently about money). And at this point, I'd already learned about the value of money. Maybe I didn't FULLY understand it all, but my parents taught me young about it. And in the Kotaku article:
"According to Susan, that was when nine-year-old Kenzie, with no real concept of money, offered to pay for the camp herself."
So... you're a business woman, and haven't even taught your child the concept of money? Holy hell man. This would have been the PERFECT opportunity to do so. But now it's going to look like money just rolls in with the tide. Like money grows on trees or something. And for goodness sake, teach your daughter about money. Good grief.
EDIT: Also noticed discussion about this on TellTale Games forums.
Yeah, shit like this is why I will never support Kickstarter. This lady has been nothing short of brilliantly manipulative, and idiots eager to pat themselves on the back are more than happy to fall for her shit.
Wait what, a 3rd grader, 9 year old, straight A student has no concept of money? This is a joke right?
My 9 year old straight A student 3rd grade daughter definitely has a concept of money. A very good one.
Actually, don't they freaking teach money early on in like math portions of class and stuff? Now I think about it, I remember doing counting and other exercises with money. Now, I can't remember what grade that was in, but surely her child has had that training at this point.
I'm also curious as to whether Susan said her daughter had no real concept of money, the girl herself said that, or whether article writer is just making up bullshit. Before I was in third grade I was saving up for Lego sets.I take it this girl has never saved for anything in her life and has always had it handed to her on a silver platter.Maybe that was my ultimate motivation.
I just need to stop reading the KS comments...these supporters sound so damn programmed at this point...
I'm still at awe with media taking Susan's side 100% without even considering the other side. It's as if they're taking this opportunity to try and stick it to the internet.
"I don't care if it's truth of fiction. I don't want to have anything to do with a bunch of misogynistic men posting on a "Men's Rights" sub-reddit."
So yeah, nothing we ever will be able to say will touch most people because they think like that
Holy shit. Man, this just keeps getting crazier. Unbelievable.
She has been impersonating her daughter for at least two years online. The brothers have been "mean" to her online for at least two years.
Basically, she just lied to Kickstarter, Kotaku, CNET, Huffington Post, CBS and on. Straight up lied.
I posted a comment in the Kotaku article pointing how the Wilsons have tried exploiting crowdfunding before. What I got in return was "those aren't scams."
So I guess the Kotaku crowd just wants to believe Susan's lies.
If you think it through, Susan Wilson is really a bad mother.
Originally her daughter was only bullied by her brothers, so she started a Kickstarter project.
Now, her daughter is bullied by the whole internet (at least, according to Kotaku, PA and the likes).
Talk about bad parenting to expose your kid to that! ;-)
I've read this entire thread and I still don't see anything wrong with what she's doing, apart from the old phone cover. Which is an elaborate unethical reselling scheme but not unique. Am I missing a bit?
And yes, I also automatically get repulsed by reddit men's rights culture. Nothing of worth has emerged from that milieu yet. So I have the tendency to take the other side.
She also offers to spend the excess in coordination with "reps" from 4chan and reddit though obviously that's not possible most of the time. Why is that not laudable?
You must not have read the thread very well since she's clearly in violation of multiple Kickstarter and Twitter policies.
She's lying through her teeth about everything. We have no reason to believe that the story is true. She asked for money she didn't need. She keeps changing her story about what she wants to do with the money. She has tried to get crowdfunding for other shitty reasons by exploiting her family in the past. She almost definitely wrote all the messages from her daughter by herself. She runs some kind of women's philanthropy charity organization or something that she keeps promoting and probably takes all the money from that for herself, too.I've read this entire thread and I still don't see anything wrong with what she's doing, apart from the old phone cover. Which is an elaborate unethical reselling scheme but not unique. Am I missing a bit?
And yes, I also automatically get repulsed by reddit men's rights culture. Nothing of worth has emerged from that milieu yet. So I have the tendency to take the other side.
She also offers to spend the excess in coordination with "reps" from 4chan and reddit though obviously that's not possible most of the time. Why is that not laudable?
Well, since it seems like the 'journalists' have chosen their sides and don't plan on changing it and same with Kickstarter... the only other thing I can say about this is...
Omg Henrik does that phone case thing matter? A girl has decided to make a video game, an RPG mind you.. .. please, get out of the way.. let her do her thing.. god, what is wrong with you brother?.. do you steal candy from kids at halloween too? if the nine year old gets a hold of this project, the last thing any human will call it is a scam. you obviously do not make video games, nor have you really practiced that imaginative skill.. this girl can make video games.. and the world is willing to gamble a pretty penny to give her the absolute choice in every matter on the issue.. is there a "banish troll" button built into this game yet? it should be red, and would be brightly flashing PUSH ME..
Just reading her supporters comments on ks...
....ugh
I guess it all depends on your personal view point of what is right and wrong. Is she wrong from a legal aspect? That is up to lawyers/judge to decide. Is she wrong breaking the rules listed on the KS page? Clearly she is, but then KS has refused to enforce their own rules. Is she morally wrong for exploiting/manipulating her family, KS, gender inequality, and the public? Only you can decide based on your own morals.I've read this entire thread and I still don't see anything wrong with what she's doing, apart from the old phone cover. Which is an elaborate unethical reselling scheme but not unique. Am I missing a bit?
And yes, I also automatically get repulsed by reddit men's rights culture. Nothing of worth has emerged from that milieu yet. So I have the tendency to take the other side.
She also offers to spend the excess in coordination with "reps" from 4chan and reddit though obviously that's not possible most of the time. Why is that not laudable?
I've read this entire thread and I still don't see anything wrong with what she's doing, apart from the old phone cover. Which is an elaborate unethical reselling scheme but not unique. Am I missing a bit?
And yes, I also automatically get repulsed by reddit men's rights culture. Nothing of worth has emerged from that milieu yet. So I have the tendency to take the other side.
She also offers to spend the excess in coordination with "reps" from 4chan and reddit though obviously that's not possible most of the time. Why is that not laudable?
I'm pretty sure she's said that she is paying for the course out of her own pocket, so there is no 'excess', it's the whole amount. Not that $829 out of £22K+ is a fraction worth making the distinction over anyway.
So what she has essentially done is fleece a huge amount of money from people without any sort of plan or idea of what to do with it, except for buying her kid a new laptop.
It makes my brain hurt to look at how the media has treated this.
The most disgusting thing about the whole story is not her, but the supposed "game/tech journalists". You can probably kill somebody and everyone will defend you as long as you pretend to be a little girl and talk about gender issue (hyperbole). Then we have Kickstarter that's allowing all of this despite going clearly against their TOS. She's shameless and have no ethics (my god that phone case), but the problem lies on the people who are allowing her to go on with her scams, "journalists" and Kickstarter.
The most disgusting thing about the whole story is not her, but the supposed "game/tech journalists". You can probably kill somebody and everyone will defend you as long as you pretend to be a little girl and talk about gender issue (hyperbole). Then we have Kickstarter that's allowing all of this despite going clearly against their TOS. She's shameless and have no ethics (my god that phone case), but the problem lies on the people who are allowing her to go on with her scams, "journalists" and Kickstarter.
I can barely enter this thread anymore... I am actually feeling pretty disusted with this stuff.
Why does this seem so obvious to people in here... and is oblivious to everyone else?
I can barely enter this thread anymore... I am actually feeling pretty disusted with this stuff.
Why does this seem so obvious to people in here... and is oblivious to everyone else?
Pretty much. With a few exceptions, the media response to this has been outright disgusting. I didn't think it was possible to somehow lower my respect for most online tech/gaming blogs, but this has managed to do it.The most disgusting thing about the whole story is not her, but the supposed "game/tech journalists". You can probably kill somebody and everyone will defend you as long as you pretend to be a little girl and talk about gender issue (hyperbole). Then we have Kickstarter that's allowing all of this despite going clearly against their TOS. She's shameless and have no ethics (my god that phone case), but the problem lies on the people who are allowing her to go on with her scams, "journalists" and Kickstarter.
@joseph - How do you even know that it's an actual the daughter and not Susan herself doing it. I mean have you seen this 'Wilson's Project' --- HELP Me Get These Kids Off Video Games & Hunting for REAL Treasure. --- http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-me-get-these-kids-off-video-games-hunting-for-real-treasure . If you look at the FUNDERS. The family themselves gave $255 towards this 2 year project with a 7 year old Makenzie (the little girl who wants to make RPG) giving 25$! You don't actually think this is a bit dubious?
@RC no I think its cute and are you going to continously ignore my question, is it because im right perhaps
From this day forward, it's about making KENZIE'S GAME VISION a reality - which seems to mean we'll be hiring experts to help bc her vision and imagination clearly extend beyond her technical abilities.
Pretty much. With a few exceptions, the media response to this has been outright disgusting. I didn't think it was possible to somehow lower my respect for most online tech/gaming blogs, but this has managed to do it.
Someone should set up a "I want to make a (nonspecific) game but I know nothing about development. Fund my courses, PC and dev tools!"-KS. Leave out all the pseudo-feminist "get woman in tech", "brothers are mean" etc. crap. Then let's see if KS takes it down. edit: And also flood twitter with the link to the KS.