Brad Grenz
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I doubt Fab capacity is elastic enough for that approach, especially at the leading edge nodes.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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I doubt Fab capacity is elastic enough for that approach, especially at the leading edge nodes.
Lol
Again, you are not quite grasping, or just ignoring, what I am saying.
Nope.
]If the the games look amazing at 900Gflops, they're still going to look amazing at 600Gflops.
fatgamecat
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MS has promised "practically silent operation" for the Xbox One to fit with the living room theme. The heat issues could be a result of subpar cooling brought on by low noise requirements.
Dat hyperbole.
The problem here is that the games didn´t even look amazing at 1200 Gflops.
delay in Europe to secure enough units in US?
Not looking good though if this is true
A slower GPU wouldn't need as much memory bandwidth.
GribbleGrunger
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At this point even a jack hammer would struggle to put a dent in it. I just can't believe what I've been seeing in the last few weeks. This is an unprecedented meltdown that will already have spread beyond the confines of forums.
Thunder Monkey
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If meaning all PC's? Then no of course not. You'll still have those DX8 alikes using Integrated cards like me.
If talking High end? Yeah, woefully underpowered in comparison.
May have already tried. Disclaimer: Charlie can be inaccurate at times.
"The chip, which is still referred to as Oban, is being run through multiple fabs in very high quantities, too high by more than an order of magnitude to simply be for dev kits. "
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/09/04/microsoft-xbox-next-delay-rumors-abound/
Since we dont know what kind of yield issues there could be (functional units vs functional units at target clock), my take;
OminousShadow
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Good God, has this been a nightmare of a reveal for the Xbox One. So much controversy and unanswered questions going into E3, not to mention all the new games. This year's E3 is definitely gonna be one of the most interesting in a very long time.
disastermouse
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Windows ME.
Well, it´s not like anybody in Europe is going to buy this anyway.
Isn't Oban the XBOX360 shrink?.
ProfessorMoran
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Would cutting the number of compute units have an even bigger impact in terms of performance than a downclock?
Exactly.... It could be like the psp where the cpu is downclocked in the first model. Later models of the psp ran faster...
Nizz
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Thank Christ, whew!
Matt's intervention was about heat issues and inadequate yields, which hve been rumored for a while now, so there is no reason to doubt him -especially someone with his post history-. But he didn't hint at a any downclock...
Regardless of these details, the whole picture baffles the mind. Microsoft launched first and enjoyed great success owing to the longest generational period yet. They had all the time and the money in the world, and they still give the impression of being late to the game. Incomprehensible in any language...
XtremeXpider
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Oban is not the name of the chip inside Xbox One.
They need to fix it well before the console launches, the units for the launch should be starting to ramp up for production soon.
childplease
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3 to 4x weaker than a 780 is weak.
Remember this is before the console has even come out usually it takes a year or 2 for pc tech to leapfrog new console power.
This time however right off the bat pcs melt consoles somehow. Disappointing all the way around especially as a pc gamer. It will hold pc gaming down in a fear years because developers always develop for the lowest common denominator.
Yes, i was talking high end PCs and no it´s not woefully underpowered compared to those, except you are talking about a NASA supercpomputer.
Depends on the number of CUs cut versus the amount of downlock. For example;
10CUs at 800MHz ~ 12CUs at 667MHz (~ 1TFlop)
I'm no expert in silicon manufacturing but from what I understand there are always tiny errors in the chip. Running at a higher clock speed makes these flaws "break" and causes errors.
Basically all i7 intel chips are supposed to be 3.8GHz, but they have some way of testing them and the 'rejects' get sold as 3.4, 3.2, ect.
Radical_Ed
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If we were talking about GDDR5 bandwidths I'd agree, but that isn't the case. The ESRAM was there to address that issue and it didn't even have the bandwidth of a slow GDDR5. I mean, there are GPUs in the PC market with a raw power even to the X1's and already have more bandwidth, didn't they?
CassidyIzABeast
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When I say amazing, I'm talking Star Wars 1313 level good from MS' first party efforts. A downgraded 1313 would still look crazy good.
phosphor112
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They'll have to.
Marked_Bravado
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So which Nvidia/AMD graphics card would the new gen consoles compare to if this rumor holds up?
Sony PS4 GTX670(?)
XBone ??
WiiU ??
Sony PS4 GTX670(?)
XBone ??
WiiU ??
Dunno...eh he said something about IBM in another related thread, so nevermind lol. He is probably wrong about it.
Sounds like we're dealing with an expert here.
mercenar1e
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Microsoft worked hard over the last few years to gain the trust of gamers.. only to shit on everything they had earned with the force of a volcanic explosion with the XBONE
PS4 ~ 7850
Xbone ~ 7770/7750
WiiU ~ 6670/6570 (???) Sorry, havent kept up with the WiiU in the least bit.
NingenJanai
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Has anyone considered that maybe is not only yields but also durability they are after? After all the RROD fiasco, I'm pretty sure Microsoft want to make sure the XBox One is durable and reliable as hell.
Hubris maybe? Or they grew content with resting on their laurels. Either way something has seemed off since the system's announcement. Nothing about this feels polished or thought out as much as it should be. I can't put my finger on it completely but something internally at Microsoft is responsible for this laziness. I wonder if they thought they had more time perhaps? Maybe they figured Sony wouldn't push a potential launch for another two or so years and they felt that gave them enough leeway to not really care.
Considering that the OG Xbox & the Xbox 360 had mostly better multiplats than both PS2/PS3, it might be a tough pill for them to swallow.
Proelite
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On paper:
Sony: 7850
Xbone: 7750 the oced one
In the read world due to the closed nature of consoles, comparable to PCs with:
Sony: 7950 boost
Xbone: 7850
That makes sense.
The most limiting factor are going to be game budgets, not Xbone's processing power. Still, the experience on the console will suffer greatly if they scale the specs down.
nhlducks35
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Isn't that a $400-500 graphics card? Essentially the price of the consoles themselves?
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