Vasili2K38
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Seriously, ¿how people could be so ignorant? It's the second or third post that dismiss TLoU as "Uncharted with zombies". That's not plain trolling, is pure stupidity -_-.
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TLOU team originally working on a new Jak and Daxter
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Seriously, ¿how people could be so ignorant? It's the second or third post that dismiss TLoU as "Uncharted with zombies". That's not plain trolling, is pure stupidity -_-.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Not making this and making TLoU instead is quite possibly the worst decision ever made by mankind.
Not from a business standpoint, but from a moral standpoint. My soul is hurting. My being is hurting.
A glimmer of hope remains, however, and is telling me that this might see life on PS4. One can dream.
Not from a business standpoint, but from a moral standpoint. My soul is hurting. My being is hurting.
A glimmer of hope remains, however, and is telling me that this might see life on PS4. One can dream.
I wasn't too fond of TLoU and the Jak and Daxter series is in my top three list, easily.
silver.tongue
Member
Why?
silver.tongue
Member
Does J&D needs to be made by ND to be good? I don't think so.
Motley Grue
Banned
I really like the middle orange Daxter. I think a more realistic looking Jak and Daxter would be an awesome PS4 title. I hope this still gets made.
Please buy Knack, everyone, so it DOES get made. I miss mascot games outside of Nintendo platforms.
Please buy Knack, everyone, so it DOES get made. I miss mascot games outside of Nintendo platforms.
I'm willing to part ways with the idea of a Jak 4, as long as an Uncharted 4 isn't getting made.
Jak 4 > Uncharted 4 any day.
silver.tongue
Member
I assume you haven't played the last of us?
Because really, there's like 5% uncharted in it.
"zombie uncharted" is a very idiotic thing to say and it usually comes from people that judge the game based on pics and short vids.
Byronic Hero
Member
"jax and dexter"? Come on, it's like you're not even trying, the name of the characters/franchise is in the thread title for goodness sake.
The Last of Us should be a stand-alone title (although I'm almost certain it won't be) and Uncharted is great but could use a break for another couple of years.
Miles Quaritch
Member
It's easy to tell the difference between those who have and haven't played it based on how they refer TLoU and its infected.
Fixed
Come on, regardless of what they're called they're still zombies.
Lordwindowlicker
Member
Nope, he's right. Jak and Daxter hasn't been good since the original. The Last of Us was the best game of the Gen. Pretty obvious.
Lordwindowlicker
Member
I highly doubt that TLOU was the best game of this gen, and just because Jak 2 & 3 disappointed doesn't mean that a new one would.
Byronic Hero
Member
Jak and Daxter has always been good. TLoU was good, but it's not the best game of the generation.
Theman2k
Member
Sony knew a game like jak and dexter could give out low sales for a ND game.
Its one of the best studios they have and they want to make sure they max out from every project they would invest in.
If games like puppeteer and sly 4 retail at 40$ And still cant sell or intrest a lot of people i find it hard for sony to greenlit jak 4.
Sony made the last of us instead because of a businass stand point And it paid itself off.
People rather play call of duty clone rather a rare gem like puppeteer.
Its one of the best studios they have and they want to make sure they max out from every project they would invest in.
If games like puppeteer and sly 4 retail at 40$ And still cant sell or intrest a lot of people i find it hard for sony to greenlit jak 4.
Sony made the last of us instead because of a businass stand point And it paid itself off.
People rather play call of duty clone rather a rare gem like puppeteer.
IMO it is one of the best games this gen. I recently played the HD collection of Jak and Daxter and for someone who enjoyed 1 and 3 as a kid, I was disappointed to find out that only 1 was still fun. Jak 3 was immensely boring.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
This has been known for quite some time, hasn't it? I definitely remember reading about it before TLoU was even released.
Acrylic7
Member
Leasing out a franchise as good as Jak&Daxter to anyone is a mistake, especially Sanzaru. Have you played Sly 4? I would trust them with a HD remake but anything other than that you can forget about it.
I only trust Jak&Daxter with Naughty Dog.
Byronic Hero
Member
Maybe I'm the only one who enjoyed 3 as much as I did when I played it first on PS2. 2 could have benefited from better checkpoints and that Shanty town run being completely removed, but otherwise was still good.
Sly 4 was great, what do you mean? It was everything I wanted in a new Sly game. It didn't try anything new, but it was still loads of fun.
Plus, I think Ready at Dawn could make a great console Jak game, since Daxter was amazing.
CriterionDog
Member
As much as I LOVE The Last of Us (goty for me), I must say, I would have LOVED a Jak IV and have been waiting for it for a long time...
GOD WHY GODDDD
Maybe they will eventually continue development.
GOD WHY GODDDD
Maybe they will eventually continue development.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
Would have preferred a new J&D.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Oh come on, they are zombies.
I don't get why some people flip out if it's called a zombie game. That is essentially what it is.
Sure it's quite more evolved than a Resident Evil or L4D. But it still started as "people like zombie games, we should make one."
Credit to ND for making a good one of those.
Acrylic7
Member
Sly 4 was bleh. Would rather see what Sucker Punch could have brought to the table.
Umm no.
Explain how? I remember a fair few platforming sections. Hell, the Mountain part is very challenging platforming.
Platforming.
there's the mountain, mar's tomb, and the outside mountainside throwback to jak and daxter area and that's all that spring to mind. everything else was either shooty stuff or smashy stuff or tony hawk stuff or gta stuff and almost universally awful. especially the gta stuff. the city is godawful.
I have completed that game.
Yes my statement still stands. I liked the story.. them controls, oh god.
I have played the game.
Its wonky stealthy uncharted. The story was nice. They got that good.
Yes.
Well, from everything that's been written and talked about, ND was behind the decision to go through with Last of Us instead of Jak, not Sony.
They've been interviewed before that they don't have any Sony management in the office. While I don't think they have carte blanche (though they should), I do believe that they have the most leeway when it comes to Sony's owned studios.
Though Jak may have been expected to sell alot, The Last of Us was a pretty big risk in it's own right. A brand new IP.
I thought I remembered it to be better than it was. Still a gorgeous game but it really doesn't hold up as well as Super Mario 64 or Sunshine. The controls are somewhat off and have some weird weight or input lag to them whereas SM64 seems more fluid. Which is ironic because Uncharted/TLOU have some of the most fluid animations this generation.
That Tony Hawk stuff was incorporated brilliantly into the platforming.
Byronic Hero
Member
Good job elaborating.
I doubt Sucker Punch would have done anything different. If anything, they would have tried to do something similar to what ND was going to do with Jak, seeing as their style has changed to something more realistic.
DangerMouse
Member
Sly 4 was pretty cool, definitely not "bleh".
Agree with this. I also really think they may still try to get somebody (maybe Sanzaru) to do it since the idea did get thrown around at ND and since the HD collection reintroduced it to people.
I'd like to see them try too. I think at this point it might have to be a totally new one so that whomever can create a cartoon artstyle of their own current liking since it seems that that's where ND hit the wall with their motivation, but either way I'd love to see Sony take a shot at trying to make a new definitive 3D platformer.
Agree with this. I also really think they may still try to get somebody (maybe Sanzaru) to do it since the idea did get thrown around at ND and since the HD collection reintroduced it to people.
I'd like to see them try too. I think at this point it might have to be a totally new one so that whomever can create a cartoon artstyle of their own current liking since it seems that that's where ND hit the wall with their motivation, but either way I'd love to see Sony take a shot at trying to make a new definitive 3D platformer.
Jimnymebob
Member
If you still have a find the hidden orb kiosk mission available you can glitch it to get the desired number of orbs. I'd still try to get them legitimately though, it's a fun challenge (it's also why it took me over a year to get the damn platinum), and only use the glitch if you missed the missable ones on the last level.
Acquiescence
Member
Well said. Very well said indeed. Word for word you are correct.
And I always laugh when people criticise Jak II for being gritty, or taking the series in a "darker direction." Honestly, past Jak's burgeoning desire for revenge against the Baron during the earliest scenes (which gets pushed to sidelines fairly quickly), the tone is kept light throughout. It's a far funnier game than Jak & Daxter, and there's much more time spent on Daxter bantering with the supporting cast than there is on Jak brooding and acting all anti-social.
Don't agree with this though!
Acrylic7
Member
I honestly didn't think I had to. I found it boring. The locations were mostly bland except for
ancient Japan, and the Ice age
This makes no sense.
They are completely different developers, besides the clear difference in Skill/ability between SuckerPunch and Sanzaru. Of course they would have done something different.
And what makes you think that they would try to make Sly more realistic? What do you mean by their style has changed? Their style didn't change they just made a different game with Infamous.
Nocturnowl
Member
People bigging up the more purely platforming focused sections of Jak 2 are failing to note that they constitute a shockingly small part of the game, the bridge to the baron's palace is over in like 3 minutes.
Mar's Tomb fortunately lasts longer and even that gets soured by the poor camera placement for Daxter's chase section.
Otherwise the majority of the game is spent participating in a variety of awful tasks (Turrets, escort missions, enemy waves and checkpoint races, like a weakest hits collection of video game missions) and traversing the most cumbersome and filler open world i've ever had the misfortune of spending an extended amount of time in while the remnants of platforming that remain get jumbled together with the games thoroughly unsatisfying combat, what a wretched game it is.
Mar's Tomb fortunately lasts longer and even that gets soured by the poor camera placement for Daxter's chase section.
Otherwise the majority of the game is spent participating in a variety of awful tasks (Turrets, escort missions, enemy waves and checkpoint races, like a weakest hits collection of video game missions) and traversing the most cumbersome and filler open world i've ever had the misfortune of spending an extended amount of time in while the remnants of platforming that remain get jumbled together with the games thoroughly unsatisfying combat, what a wretched game it is.
I thought their thought process was "zombie games are overdone and boring, let's add a twist to it!'.
In my ideal future, some able-handed team like Sanzaru would make a reboot of Jak and Daxter that kept what made it good and updated some of the more antiquated features, and then for the TLOU team to do a game from a different IP since TLOU is a game that doesn't need a sequel.
In Jak, the platforming was a lot of fun, as were the seamless worlds, interesting guns, varied vehicles and fantasy elements. The collecting got burdensome, the camera controls were bad, the difficulty curve was poor and certain stages were filled with elements that made them cheap. Jak in II and 3 was a bit too angsty, and the vehicle sections in 3 were far too numerous, so there's definitely room for improvement.
Haven't actually had a chance to watch the keynote, but I'll go ahead and do so now.
In Jak, the platforming was a lot of fun, as were the seamless worlds, interesting guns, varied vehicles and fantasy elements. The collecting got burdensome, the camera controls were bad, the difficulty curve was poor and certain stages were filled with elements that made them cheap. Jak in II and 3 was a bit too angsty, and the vehicle sections in 3 were far too numerous, so there's definitely room for improvement.
Haven't actually had a chance to watch the keynote, but I'll go ahead and do so now.
RealityPales
Member
I just don't see a game like J&D being as financially viable as Uncharted or The Last of Us. Ratchet and Sly haven't done for the PS3 what Uncharted and TLoU have. I think Sony would rather have ND focus their attention on T-M rated demographics. They have the right idea - have first-party studios focus on their existing franchises while they outsource yesteryear properties to teams like Sanzaru, Superbot, etc.
Also, what do you genuinely believe will shift more PS4 units? Jak 4 or Uncharted 4. Come on. Imagine ND trying to justify Jak 4 over an Uncharted 4 in front of SCE execs.
I am the opposite i wish someone would have worked on J&D4
Acrylic7
Member
I think a new Jak&Daxter would sell very well.
Lets not forget tha Naughty Dog has finally reached AAA status this gen from Uncharted, even though they have always made quality products and have always developed circles around most during the ps2 era. Their work in Crash, and Jak&Daxter is just as impressive as their current work.
Now that they have this recognition I honestly don't see why it wouldn't sell. After all
Jak is way more fun than Uncharted.
And I think they had already stated that Sony had nothing to do with their decisions to work on a specific project. Basically they get green lite with whatever they come up with.