fluffydelusions
Member
I wonder how many people will buy vita for RP alone. Makes me also wonder if Vita sales pickup if more devs will make vita games.
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BF4 running via remote play
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It's downsampled twice afaik.
The game is rendered at whatever on the PS4, the PS4 then downsamples to 720 for the stream, and then the Vita will downsample that to 544 when it displays it.
I do not believe that the PS4 will alter it's downsample target dependant on which device is connected to it (Vita or Vita TV)
I assume you are talking about WiFi only connections here. I'd be stunned if any router adds 16+ms to the latency when wired directly to the PS4.
I did. It's what pushed me over the edge anyway.
If I was going to use Remote Play it would be in the same room as the PS4 console, no more than 8 feet away.
Why couldn't Sony give us the option of connecting a physical cable from the PS4 to the Vita? That way, wireless would be eliminated and there would be zero latency and zero image quality compression and artifacts.
Why couldn't Sony give us the option of connecting a physical cable from the PS4 to the Vita? That way, wireless would be eliminated and there would be zero latency and zero image quality compression and artifacts.
I'm buying a PS4 just for remote play.
Very good to hear. I get good ping but my upload might kill outside the house remote play unless we get some turn based rpgs for the ps4(I hope there are turn based rpgs for the ps4). Got plenty of games for Vita though so it shouldn't be a huge issue.
famousmortimer
Banned
Also, I think someone on the first page said "get the oled while you can." My understanding, and I can be wrong, is that the OLED is going to remain as the 3G vita (at a higher price, of course). The vita 2k will be wifi only and cheaper.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Welp, you can no longer say Vita doesn't get the big games from the big developers. 
Can't wait to try this out!
Can't wait to try this out!
metalmachine
Member
Haha made me actually laugh!
I can't wait for this. Remote play has been my number 1 most anticipated feature.
fluffydelusions
Member
You don't need to be hooked to your PS4 via cable if that is what you mean? And it's great if you have other people that want to use the TV
If the additional Vita hardware sales lead to additional Vita software sales, then I imagine so.
Yup. Vita redeemed indeed.
I see, seems like a great features for familly men
I'm surprised they are still offering the 3G. I thought they would have stopped manufacturing that ages ago since I've seen plenty of 3G sales (sometimes cheaper than the Wifi model) which lead me to believe it was performing poorly.
You don't need to be hooked to your ps4, you can use your ps4 at work or in bed or on the can. There's also the NFS application where a second player plays on the vita and one plays on the TV instead of split screen. There's also the instance where you want to play an M rated game and you have kids that are <10 years old or your wife wants to watch a chick flick.
fluffydelusions
Member
I imagine the 3G is maybe leftover stock?
TheKastorian
Member
Absolutely my point. There is almost no way they could have set that up with minimal interference.
Blacklight dev just posted this
That's a really good sign.
really? seems weird. wouldn't it just make more sense to actually render at the target resolution and skip all the downsampling all together?
No, the ps4 hardware can downsample to 720p then it can send a 1080p image.
Edit: Oh wait, that's not what you meant. I figure that if it renders at native res you'd see more artifacts due to compression.
For anyone who can;t always get to the TV that the PS4 is wired to, or doesn;t want to.
So
a) partner watching shyte
b) kids watching shyte
c) playing in bed
d) playing in the bath
Some on GAF seem to think that when a man wants to use the main TV, he should be a man, tell everyone else to get out of his manly way so that he can do his manly thing on the real TV. The rest of us live in the real world.
Likely because the Sony instructions say that the best conditions are with th ePS4 wired to your router. Likely because whatver WiFi your router sends out is stronger than whatever your PS4 does.
Why bother, a downsampled 1080p image on a 544p screen will look bloody awesome lol.
castaction
Member
shiiittt. remote play is impressive
For the longest I debated selling my Vita... Soooooo glad I held out..
Mission accomplished...
Put Kaz's face in place of Bush's
EDIT:::::
LMFAO.. Pretty much my life for the next few months.. Wife wants me to sit with her to watch something I don't want to watch, actually she just wants me near while she watches.. pull out the Vita and and let her yap away....
Mission accomplished...
Put Kaz's face in place of Bush's
EDIT:::::
LMFAO.. Pretty much my life for the next few months.. Wife wants me to sit with her to watch something I don't want to watch, actually she just wants me near while she watches.. pull out the Vita and and let her yap away....
AgentOtaku
Member
holy shit, lol
fluffydelusions
Member
For the longest I debated selling my Vita... Soooooo glad I held out..
Mission accomplished...
Put Kaz's face in place of Bush's
Or smokeydave lol
But wasn't the best way meant to be a direct connection to the ps4. I thought connecting through a router came in at second place?
Askherserenity
Member
Absolutely my point. There is almost no way they could have set that up with minimal interference.
Blacklight dev just posted this
Oh man...this is getting nuts. Going to be using my Vita all the time now.
well if they can shave even a few ms of latency off by not having to downsample i'd prefer that option
Astral/H3X
Member
I can't believe how hyped you guys are for this incredibly lame gimmick. I mean, why would you want this? If you're playing a console game you really need to be doing it on the biggest screen possible.
Look, here I am pretending to be a Wii U hater.
Yes I'm salty at the hypocrisy here.
Look, here I am pretending to be a Wii U hater.
Yes I'm salty at the hypocrisy here.
That's from Mortimer and I don't know how he means to connect. ie, both Wifi, or PS4 wired. Sony's own instructions say wire the PS4 to your router and connect that way for the best experience.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I'm happy and AT&T even started offering a very friendly 1GB plan for 25 dollars across 3 months usage. This is perfect for me as I was on a 500MB plan which I run through every month and a half or so.
I use the 3G on my Vita a ton.
Downsampling has to occur since the PS4's resolution is higher than the Vita's. Having the PS4 downsample to 720p is probably done to reduce the bandwidth requirements for the streaming.
well i meant, why not just have the ps4 natively render the game at vita resolution so it can just be compressed and piped out instead of rendering at 720p then downsampling to 544p then compressing
Well yeah, obviously. But direct connections would have been better than over a network, even in these conditions.
To reduce graphical artifacts. You've seen what Youtube does to video right?
Seem the problem with the wiiu is the range of the system. I have a theater upstairs in my house that has my consoles. I would like to play in my bedroom or living room down stairs. It through 4 walls at least and 30ft. I have been lead to believe this would be a problem. Also it doesn't seem like all games support this feature on the wiiu.
I have a new baby on the way and so this seem awesome for gaming while rocking or watching the baby or whatever. I have wired ethernet to my ps4 and n wifi. My router is in my living room right next to my bedroom.
Plenty liked the WiiUs feature. Just not it's limited range, limited support and low res screen (lower res than Vita on larger screen).
Sony specifically states that connecting the PS4 to a router wired will give the best Remote lay experience. I am going to make the assumption that they have a reason to say that.
I guess it's probably using the same HW/SW protocols than streaming to ustream/twitch.
Astral/H3X
Member
They should just do whatever Nintendo does with the Gamepad, because it doesn't matter what resolution the game runs at, it's still faster than 90% of TVs out there. Can't remember if it's 16ms, or just slightly over, but it certainly isn't 33ms or higher.
EDIT:
Downsampling makes the Wii U gamepad look clearer than half the Vita's games. So it's far from atrocious. Range, I'll give them.
only way it would be that fast is you use a direct connection to the ps4 and not use the router. this would kill the range.
That would work better, but would probably require more effort from the developer. In order to guarantee that most games would support remote play, Sony would want to have as much of it taken care of automatically as possible.
craigrushforth
Member
Absolutely my point. There is almost no way they could have set that up with minimal interference.
Blacklight dev just posted this
From Software need to set aside a day and get Dark Souls 2 working on remote play. That's the game I'm most looking forward having access to all the time.
Assuming the Ps4 get the high res PC version of course.