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TheGreatMightyPoo
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I agree with all of that except the last one.
CoffeeJanitor
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Also, PER rewards inefficient shooting and overvalues rebounding.
ALSO keep in mind that, as of now, we don't have any statistics that can accurately tell us anything about individual D.
ALSO keep in mind that, as of now, we don't have any statistics that can accurately tell us anything about individual D.
apparently the rebounds that LeBron gets are "system rebounds"
Without dwight they'd be in the bottom 5 for defense and offense
and lol ryan anderson's stats (at least his FG%) would drop without him
unless someone has a stat that proves me wrong...
Black Mamba
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Modern era had how many elite scoring PGs to compare? Gary Payton and...?
Payton still went to the Finals.
I just think looking at a stat like that is an improper approach. How many PGs in the modern era have taken over 20% FGs? What's the size of the set? were any of them on contenders?
I've never heard that rebounding argument before...
Damn, thats actually pretty fucking convincing. I knew it was close, but I didnt know Lebron was actually leading KD there, especially in basket percentage. Perception is a helluva drug.
Pretty sure the gist is that Westbrook is more Marbury/Francis than Payton. And I think he's absolutely right.
Westbrook has huge amount of flaws in his game. His Ast:To is lolololololololol.
I'm interested to see what happens in the next decade or so. The game in the NBA has been dictated by bigs and swingmen. Point guards have always been a luxury, and we've taken it as a given that a great scoring point guard is not necessary - or even detrimental - for a championship team.
With the balance of positional depth swinging down to the 1, we're going to see a team like the Thunder win sooner rather than later.
With the balance of positional depth swinging down to the 1, we're going to see a team like the Thunder win sooner rather than later.
Black Mamba
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Durant has a higher TS%. His FG% is lower because he's taken 2.5 x as many 3s, which are more valuable.
Marbury never played with anyone near Durant (after leaving KG) and Francis had Yao early on and was soon traded. And francis was never as good as Westbrook, IMO.
But again, those are just 2 guys. Throw in Payton and we have 3. And Payton went to the Finals. If that's all there ever was, hard to make a conclusion based on that.
CoffeeJanitor
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I believe I read a post somewhere about how the importance of the # of rpg a player gets tapers off as the player gets more rpg or something....I will admit that this is another situation where I have read the analysis of the statheads on a blog I frequent. They have posted some nice arguments against PER but I can't recall them...
And Lebron's FG% is higher because he's cut down on his 3s substantially. Which is a good thing.
Lebron's also worth at the stripe, so I would think that provides a nice swing.
CoffeeJanitor
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I think you're missing the point. Durant is a more efficient scorer overall despite relying on jumpers a ton more than LeBron.
...? That was a completely neutral statement. I wasn't refuting him in any way.
Black Mamba
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Good for Lebron yes, not for Durant. Durant is shooting nearly 38% on a huge amount. That's like shooting 54% on 2s.
All i'm saying is that a straight FG% comparison is poor.
People should have been laughing at it last year as well.
MVP has been a joke of an award for almost two decades.
Not everyone has showtime. Fuck your spoiler gifs.
CoffeeJanitor
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I guess, its just FG% is a deceiving stat.
weekend_warrior
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Took me 10 minutes to find the new NBA thread. :\
Iron E Man
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Guy in the gif looks like Pek.
I think the trap that people are falling for again is believing that Lebron will play like this in the playoffs. When the better defensive teams take away his driving lane because they have time to adjust and he's forced to rely on jumpers and making plays happen from the perimeter, then that's when he falters because his game is flawed.
Welcome to the yearly circus.
Red Blaster
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Fraudbrook sucks at defense whereas Payton was godlike
CoffeeJanitor
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Has he added a post game at all this year?
Lol.
All I care for are the Bulls losing because Rose's supporting cast blows chunks - hopefully with a few stupid flagrants from Boozer, and OKC raging across the West.
And I'll hold onto the false hope that Horford will be in good enough shape to play, so we hit our peak
- taking some team to 7 games but getting blown out in that last game. Forever A Hawks Fan.
The Glove has got the Love.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The hype says he has but he still throws up clunkers near the basket when defended well.
It's a good thing his hands aren't quite as bad as his footwork though.
friskykillface
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Lol Avon Bradley guarding Wade
I don't buy that. Nobody but Durant decides what shots he takes, same thing with Lebron. You can't discount the guy for taking better shots, they play the same position. Its not like comparing KD to Dwight.
Adam Blade
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Raging forgot to set his fantasy lineup.
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ClovingWestbrook
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So a 3pt basket at the end of the game when your team is down by 35 points and nobody is really guarding you as as valuable when your team is down by 3 points in the final 30 seconds of a game and the opposing team is actually playing defense? Ok...
So an offensive rebound when the opposing team has run off 6 straight points to close the lead at the end of a half is as valuable as an offensive rebound with 3 minutes to play of a blow out? Ok...
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Oh this game is gonna be good. I don't know who I hate more.
friskykillface
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D: Rondo
Syphon Filter
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rondo putting in work,dream would be proud.
Grimm Fandango
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Rondo mad.
Anyways, I have to be the only poster here that hates the Heat exclusively because Dwayne Wade is an asshat bitch. If there's justice in this world, the Basketball Gods will prevent his floppiness from ever winning another ring in recompense for Game 5 in 2006.
Don't give a shit about Lebron and Bosh.
Don't give a shit about Lebron and Bosh.
Regular season MVP is about your body of work, not your performance in the last 2 minutes of 8 close games.
Black Mamba
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I'm not knocking lebron.
His FG% has gone up because he's shooting less 3s. He is a mediocre volume 3 shooter. When he shoots out of necessity, he's decent.
I'm saying, you can't compare FG% because FG% doesn't capture the full value of shooting. Making a 3 is worth more than making a 2. 33% form 3 = 50% from 2.
So if Lebron is trading 30% 3s for 56% 2s, that is smart. If Durant is trading 52% 2s for 38% 3s, that is also smart.
Anyway, their efg% TS%, and PPS are so alike, no point in comparing shooting. At least for an MVP argument. I'd say they're equal there.
Lebron's PER is higher pretty much exclusively because of assists. Reb same, TOV% Usg same, block/steals off-set. And the assists are a product of style of play.
Iron E Man
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Rondo really loves playing on Sunday games
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I actually dislike Wade more than LeBron at this point in time.
LeBron is a clown, Wade is a bitch.
Bosh deserves better.
You don't think they need some adjustments on Rondo's penetration?
ryutaro's mama
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Someone should prolly guard Rajon Rondo.
They're grown ass men they should be able to do it on their own
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