In a one on one fight Yang would beat Sabin canon wise.
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According To Canon, Which Final Fantasy Characters Are The Most Powerful?
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And also having played both, I see no proof that Kefka is actually stronger. Kefka is constantly stated to be a planet buster and yet there's zero proof of it. Most of the initial damage done to the planet is from the removal of the balance of magic in the world. Then all we proceed to see Kefka the planet buster do is destroy some cities. We have actual proof that Kuja destroyed Terra with his own powers.
Even not taking that into account we have the fact that Kuja never truly lost to the party and other stuff like him tanking blasts from Bahamut for shits and giggles while not even in Trance.
TriAceJP
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XANDER CAGE
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hopefully everyone hits him on his left arm where the gauntlet is
KittenMaster
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FF13 characters come off as absurdly strong, even before they become powered by crystals when you start to consider most of the things they fight normally would act as bosses in most other games.
People often talk about how overpowered he is, but a lot of it comes from his starting gear, rather than the character himself. Put his gear on Agrias and she is almost as good.
His unique job does have the best skill set of any of the magic knight types, but it doesn't even come close to a maxed out Calculator.
Ganon Dragmire
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Of course she can, the last boss in LR is
GOD. Not some one that became a god, THE GOD.
Yes, I mentioned that Chaos had clowned everyone at that point. But since Warrior of Light trumps him in FF1, that's why he outranks him.
And I meant that Feral Chaos does absorb Shinryu. Which is why Feral Chaos has Shinryu's summon in that fight, as opposed to when you fight regular Chaos, and Shinryu is backing him since Cid is a deal breaking traitor who is going to let your team out of the pen if they beat Chaos.
The combined might of Shinryu and Chaos isn't enough to stop the heroes at that point, and Feral Chaos and Shinryu can't stop the heroes in 000. And Chaos in any and all forms is incapable of defeating the heroes in FF1.
This guy.
Yeah, in the sense that most people would rather kill themselves rather than spending 5 minutes with him.
MagiusNecros
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Nah Shinryu Verus is actually allied with Feral. Never absorbed. After you defeat Feral, Shinryu flees into the Void. Until you fight them Feral and Shinryu were fighting each other and neither could defeat the other. Feral was obscenely strong and the damage he dealt Shinryu Verus would immediately heal with all the power he would absorb from past cycles and Energy off of Feral itself. Stalemate.
Still would make him the most powerful.
let's be real, Lightning would win that award if we took that into consideration
Bending_Unit_22
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Heh, I bought FFVI VC last weekend and this is literally the last fight I had last night before saving. I was reading a faq to figure out how Sabin's blitzes work and they noted he can't suplex a vine but he can suplex a flipping train. Kind of annoyed I hadn't thought of that at the time.
BobTheFork
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Seriously, until someone ELSE suplexes a fucking train, you have your answer.
MagnaderAlpha
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Or they are more weak because no other FF character has to stagger enemies to the lay them to waste. Lightning and co go up against flans and goblins and have to chain attacks to stagger them, then wail them to oblivion, when those same monsters can be killed by low level warriors in other FF worlds, simply with a few hits and nothing more. Perhaps this is an example of "one world's gods are another world's peons".
Though, to play devil's advocate, one could say in FFXIII(more than it's sequels), Cocoon is in such a state of "prosperity" that everybody's not truly accustomed to real danger, which other FF worlds, the lands are RIPE with danger around every corner(where basically, every trip a person takes to another town could end with their deaths at the hand of hungry monsters and wandering brigands. When your world is filled with danger lurking all around you, perhaps you are more battle hard than those who would never normally jump into the fray, and have a better knack of dealing with monsters in a quicker way.
Of course she can, the last boss in LR isAnd she beat the shit out of him. Close this thread we have our answer.GOD. Not some one that became a god, THE GOD.
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Bhunivelze's
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Damn. Used to follow every one as they came out. Now I know what I'll be doing with my free time.
It's not that hard to do though.
Bhunivelze is more powerful than anyone of them because of the sheer amount of power he holds including: the ability to completely stop time (triumphs Ulty), the power of creation, the power to obliterate planets with ease, the power to infect man's heart and control their will, control of the Chaos, and literally part of the very universe itself.
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Orlandu from FFT in case you didn't knew.
Ya, he was a monster.
IISANDERII
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FuSoYa deserves mention. Final Fantasy 2/4, an era before silly exaggeration where each subsequent title became a pissing contest of one-upsmanship.
Raonak
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lol tifa? really?
both zell and sabin are stronger.
Squall can do a fuckton of damage with Lionheart.
good renzokuken + lionheart = (~7 + 16) x 9999 damage. Plus this can be done every turn if you're at low health, or have aura.
WoL in dissida lore is probably the strongest good character.
but yeah, sabin.
both zell and sabin are stronger.
Squall can do a fuckton of damage with Lionheart.
good renzokuken + lionheart = (~7 + 16) x 9999 damage. Plus this can be done every turn if you're at low health, or have aura.
WoL in dissida lore is probably the strongest good character.
but yeah, sabin.
skLaFarebear
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CrimsonCrescendo
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We also see Lightning and co launch 50 ton pieces of equipment 100 feet in the air and then proceed to defy gravity Devil May Cry style as they air juggle them. They have higher stats all around, have higher damage outputs, and the only reason they have to stagger enemies is because the enemy stats in XIII dwarf other FF game enemies (ex. A Flan in XIII had 29,000 HP, 166 STR, and 100+ MAG versus an IV Black Flan variation which has under 1,400 HP. Another: behemoths in XIII can have nigh 500,000 HP with nigh 950 STR and 825 MAG while a behemoth in IV had 23,000 HP and 154 STR and 63 MAG).
I don't have a pony in this race, but the XIII cast, when it comes down to gameplay numbers, takes the cake. Cutscene power is another matter entirely and there you'd have a point since it's only near the end that we see anything impressive and that's mostly just Lightning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CW-vl73hhI
Tifa has also been shown to lift enemies equal to or bigger than the Phantom Train. Granted, this could just make her equally strong as Sabin, but I also add in her fast fighting style (including Dissidia, where she can actually zero shift to avoid attacks) to give her a slight advantage.
The age comment was made during FFXIII's development...way before LR was ever even conceived.
Shantotto, probably. She breaks through dimensional barriers FOR FUN.
Orlandu is a close second.
Sure, Sabin could suplex a train, but it was a ghost train so who says it even weighed anything. Dude is otherwise unremarkable when compared to Terra.
If we allow fanfic then I guess its Lightning.
Orlandu is a close second.
Sure, Sabin could suplex a train, but it was a ghost train so who says it even weighed anything. Dude is otherwise unremarkable when compared to Terra.
If we allow fanfic then I guess its Lightning.
MagnaderAlpha
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The feats FFXIII's cast performs is stylistic in purpose. FFXIII was made to replicate the fighting style seen in AC. While they CAN do some awesome looking moves, there's no reason to NOT think other FF characters of the past CAN'T do the same just because they happen to feature lesser graphical capabilities. If Dissidia represents a fair playing field, all characters are able to move in the most spectacular of ways. While some of FFX's provide the basis of showing FF characters doing extra-ordinary moves, AC is the modern basis for this(which is seen in FFXIII, Dissidia, and such). No doubt FFXV will continue this depiction of heroes.
And regarding the high HP, HP could differ per world. What might be considered "hit standard" in one would might be greater or lesser in another. This goes alongside the "one world's gods...." bit. What might be considered strong in FFXIII's world might be considered a meager threat in another FF world. The same could be vice versa of course.
Final Fantasy V is what I was thinking.
Some basic, well-rounded characters (heroes by themselves), but the Crystals let you take on the specialist forms of past heroes.
Become a White Mage, and you're instantly one of the better White Mages in the FF universe (maybe not the best, considering that many games list their characters as GOAT, but these ones are definitely up there). Become a Black Mage, and the same is true. Knight, Monk, Summoner, Dancer, it's all in there. Swapping jobs makes the FFV characters incredibly versatile.
But the true strength is, spend long enough with a job, and it will add itself completely onto your basic form. You can become a White Mage with none of the weaknesses of a White Mage. Your weaknesses are actually not even "not weaknesses", they're slightly better than average. And your "average" only adds to the White Mage's strengths, producing incredible strengths.
And you can dip into that pool again. If you add a Black Mage's ability to your White Mage ability, you can have tremendous magic ability. Or you can add a Knight for a balance of powerful strength and powerful magic.
Mastering two jobs makes the game positively broken, and the game lets you master somewhere around twenty. The FFV characters are crazy powerful.
Riposte
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Yet he had to fake his own death.
Scrooge McDuck
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That's like saying "hopefully everyone hits this shield I'm carrying". The point is he makes it so people could only hit that part.
Riposte
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So still about as legitimate as it's ever going to get, then.
Wasn't that more a political move tho?
His loyalty made him not want to kill his own people. Stubborn pride of the thunder god.
CrimsonCrescendo
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You went from "they have to work together in combat so they must be weaker" to "all the amazing feats in combat are stylistic and on a level playing field, it's the same (yet you were the one to bring up gameplay in the first place)" (and even if we assume Dissidia is the norm, Lightning is still no weaker than the rest) when I pointed out the difference in stats and the crazy stuff they do (which you hand wave and assume that it's not even just proportional, but that XIII creatures are weaker proportionally for no apparent reason). No offense, but that seems to be classic goal post moving.
Protagonist wise, not sure if any compare to Lightning by the end of the trilogy.
Villain wise I'd have to give it to Bhunivelze as well. Even characters like Kefka or Kuja can't compare to the amount of power displayed by him.
Literally becoming a goddess, and then killing god, is hard to top.
Villain wise I'd have to give it to Bhunivelze as well. Even characters like Kefka or Kuja can't compare to the amount of power displayed by him.
TheGreatDirector
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Dissidia made the Warrior of Light face Garland twice, Sephiroth, the Emperor, Ultimecia, and Squall all equally without taking damage. Outside of Squall he is the only one cutscene wise to not be outclassed by his opponent in skill. In Dissidia 012 he is last standing hero against a horde of Manikins that killed every other character off. My vote goes to him if counting those games.
In terms of mainline Final Fantasy, it really is hard to deny Lightning the top protagonist spot considering how many god defying feats she has along with her absorbing the powers of gods multiple times.
For villians I would consider Ultimecia from FF8 as she manipulated the universe at a cosmic level by warping time and the universe to her will. Sephiroth also gets points for non-canonically destroying the most of the solar system with a single spell and being able to reincarnate himself unlike other FF villians. The Emperor's soul from Final Fantasy 2 however overthrew both heaven and hell which would lead one to believe he is stronger than that world's god and devil alone which would make him incredibly powerful. Exdeath is strong and he is able to control the only interdimensional Final Fantasy power in the series. Kefka did gain godly power and reshape a world but he seems to have less omnipotence than other FF gods as he isn't able to instantly destroy a world unlike Trance Kuja who does so in minutes.
To end it I would say that at ,outside of the obvious Dissidia choice of Chaos, Exdeath is probably the strongest Final Fantasy viliian considering how his power can reach through multiple mainline Final Fantasy series.
However I believe that the characters who ultimately have the most potential in being the most powerful FF characters would have to be the Onion Knights from Final Fantasy 3. They manage to defeat hordes of monsters and fiends in addition to the Cloud of Darkness who if we are led to believe can be seen as an incarnation of the void. They manage to do all of this while being the youngest Final Fantasy protagonists in the main series. Imagine how powerful they could be if they reached adulthood.
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Also if the main characters from FF Legend could one-hit k.o their creator and god with a chainsaw doesn't that make them GOAT?
Dissidia made the Warrior of Light face Garland twice, Sephiroth, the Emperor, Ultimecia, and Squall all equally without taking damage. Outside of Squall he is the only one cutscene wise to not be outclassed by his opponent in skill. In Dissidia 012 he is last standing hero against a horde of Manikins that killed every other character off. My vote goes to him if counting those games.
In terms of mainline Final Fantasy, it really is hard to deny Lightning the top protagonist spot considering how many god defying feats she has along with her absorbing the powers of gods multiple times.
For villians I would consider Ultimecia from FF8 as she manipulated the universe at a cosmic level by warping time and the universe to her will. Sephiroth also gets points for non-canonically destroying the most of the solar system with a single spell and being able to reincarnate himself unlike other FF villians. The Emperor's soul from Final Fantasy 2 however overthrew both heaven and hell which would lead one to believe he is stronger than that world's god and devil alone which would make him incredibly powerful. Exdeath is strong and he is able to control the only interdimensional Final Fantasy power in the series. Kefka did gain godly power and reshape a world but he seems to have less omnipotence than other FF gods as he isn't able to instantly destroy a world unlike Trance Kuja who does so in minutes.
To end it I would say that at ,outside of the obvious Dissidia choice of Chaos, Exdeath is probably the strongest Final Fantasy viliian considering how his power can reach through multiple mainline Final Fantasy series.
However I believe that the characters who ultimately have the most potential in being the most powerful FF characters would have to be the Onion Knights from Final Fantasy 3. They manage to defeat hordes of monsters and fiends in addition to the Cloud of Darkness who if we are led to believe can be seen as an incarnation of the void. They manage to do all of this while being the youngest Final Fantasy protagonists in the main series. Imagine how powerful they could be if they reached adulthood.
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Also if the main characters from FF Legend could one-hit k.o their creator and god with a chainsaw doesn't that make them GOAT?
MagnaderAlpha
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There's a difference between gameplay and pure visuals. You brought up that they are able to punt around heavy machinery with ease, when that's not a sign that they are stronger than the rest for the fact it's the first time in the series graphics allowed that and the reason why graphics allowed that was for stylistic reasons(they wanted an AC-style visual flow in combat). Still, IMO, that wouldn't count in Lightning(and co)'s favor in proving they are superior to other FF characters because we've never seen the others in a similar graphical situation to judge how they'd compare(the closest would be Dissida). We know AC has shown FFVII characters performing great feats, though, and we can assume with Dissidia that most of the FF characters are on par with each other(and as I stated above, can all perform amazing feats, as all are the most powerful heroes of their own worlds). If we were to solely use the air juggling of enemies as a point of her power, any move they do in battle can be used in their favor or against them, including awkward moves such as Lightning continuing to flip back into the line of fire of the Manasvin Warmech. If being able to juggle an enemy shows her strength, showing no ability to evade an enemy's attack in the slightest shows her stupidity.
Personally speaking, the only reason a lot of enemies have such high HP is so they game be staggered. Had there been no stagger meter(which IMO, would've been better, as I think staggering should've been restricted to bosses), normal enemies would've had lower HP(because nobody likes long battles) and it would be on par with most other FFs in that respect. At the very least, that would allow a more fair comparison.
You cannot use KH as an example because it isn't canon material for the FF franchise. Not only that but you linked a video of her only punching a wall.
No one is denying Tifa is strong but it's pretty damn hard to say she's the strongest physical fighter when Zell and Sabin both have done just as powerful things. If we're going to use limit breaks as examples, Zell's Final Heaven has him running around the world extremely fast and he causes craters in the ground.
Also like TP said, he almost derails a train with a minor punch of frustration.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I haven't played Lightning Returns but I would say Caius is the strongest.
Still can't beat Cody though.
Still can't beat Cody though.
Synless
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And Lightning solo destroys him. Can't be said for other FF protagonists. However, Dissidia holds the real answer from reading this thread. Despite owning both, I have never played it beyond a few minutes. Sounds like I need to change that.
Is it worth noting that Bhunivelze isn't even in Dissidia? So we have no idea whether or not he is even powerful compared to the other FF antagonists.
Most Powerful? I think you should give this one to Kuja. Think about it:
- He's the only character in the game to destroy a whole world.
- He's the only villain who remains undefeated until the end of FF9's story.
- His version of Ultima is the strongest version in Final Fantasy history.
- He's the only character in the game to destroy a whole world.
- He's the only villain who remains undefeated until the end of FF9's story.
- His version of Ultima is the strongest version in Final Fantasy history.
joecanada
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I used to roll with 2 calculator and yes they can mess you up anywhere. Lancers with maxed gear are pretty good too though
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For last bosses: Sephiroth and Ultimecia.
Sephiroth: Supernova coz the meteor destroys most of the planets the gets into the way, crashes into the sun, the sun grows into a red giant and burns up all the planets including earth. I'll be deader than dead if that happened to me.
Ultimecia: Great Attractor coz Grabs 3 planets and a giant asteroid and makes them collide to your party.
Sephiroth: Supernova coz the meteor destroys most of the planets the gets into the way, crashes into the sun, the sun grows into a red giant and burns up all the planets including earth. I'll be deader than dead if that happened to me.
Ultimecia: Great Attractor coz Grabs 3 planets and a giant asteroid and makes them collide to your party.
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