Again: implying otakus aren't marginalized by a majority of people.
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Adult brony tries to abduct a 11 yr old girl at Brony Convention
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Again: implying otakus aren't marginalized by a majority of people.
Zen_Arcade
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Even if every Brony isn't creepy or weird (Which I don't think they are) it doesn't mean that there aren't enough of them that are creepy to make it unsurprising that another one is creepy.
I'm never met a Brony in real life that hasn't made me uncomfortable in some way. So it wouldn't be surprising if I saw another Brony doing something creepy.
onadesertedisland
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None of those preferences tended to indicate a preoccupation with a desire to be near/around young female children and things that children like.
Bronies on the other hand have interests that adult males share with a certain subset of humanity. It sets off alarm bells.
jim-jam bongs
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Then he would be less likely to "ham it up" I'd assume.
There was no such inference, at all. I don't think you are following my posts as thoroughly as you think you are.
Not all deviancy is unethical, that doesn't mean deviant behavior isn't unethical.
If you surmise that most people are ethical, than almost all unethical behavior is deviant. My point was to argue against Bun's correlation between child marriage.. it's not a good argument.
Murder is deviant behavior.. it's not immoral because it's deviant.
I've stated it pretty thoroughly, and I added an edit to the post you just responded to.
Most of my posts have been attempting to explain why it gets a reaction from people, I don't think I've even outright called broniism itself creepy. I did allude that having a convention for Bronies "and kids" is misguided though, and may have called it creepy.
You just proved my point... It's conformation bias. You take examples of what supports your idea and disregards anything to the contrary to try and prove your point.
SenorArdilla
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So are bronies. We are in agreement.
alfredofroylan
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Based on the info on that page (and some of the replies) it seems that the incident was never reported to FLARE and the person that posted the original story was not a member of the con, so either it was never reported or it was only reported to one member that failed to report the incident to security. (wich is weird considering that the second reply was about another person that was causing problems and was handed to security)
Hasbro makes tons of money from the adult fans, not sure why that even has to be brought up. Of course they support making loads of money.
I've repeatedly stated there is nothing wrong with watching the show or enjoying it.
A brony con is not equatable to watching my little pony as an adult male.
To answer your last question.. I've attempted to express logic without being insulting. What's kind of insulting is all of it being ignored and all the focus placed on paraphrasing I did to make a point about how other people feel.
Sorta.
Anime has many different styles and genres, aimed at different demographics.
MLP is one show, whose main and original demographic is pre-school girls.
I still can't figure out how some people can't see why the second one may (and will) raise some eyebrows.
A speaker (or writer) cannot infer. You may not understand the meaning of that word. The implication may not have been intended -- obviously I cannot speak to that, I'm not inside your head -- but the inference was, as stated, obvious.
You're relying on a syllogism. I understand. What I'm asking is for you to provide the specific mechanism by which Bronyism might be deemed unethical. As you state here, deviancy is not itself a problem -- so I ask again: what is the problem with bronyism?
I've stated it pretty thoroughly, and I added an edit to the post you just responded to.
Most of my posts have been attempting to explain why it gets a reaction from people, I don't think I've even outright called broniism itself creepy. I did allude that having a convention for Bronies "and kids" is misguided though, and may have called it creepy.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure bronies do want to be around young female children -- most brony communities I've seen are not a comingling of little girls / adult males, but are instead all adult males. It's even in the name of the community: it isn't "my little pony fans," it's "bronies."
But yes, they like something that children like. Can you state specifically why that's a problem?
MonsterHunter
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Your avatar is from a TV-Y (designed for a very young audience) cartoon, are you sure your not one of those creeps too?
NSFW: http://abload.de/img/7h8h8h9iffm.png
If people are making this kind of art you're obviously in on it also.
edit: tagged image. I followed the theme of the thread and grab the first image I found.
I have not called it unethical, not called for it to be illegal. The post you responded to was arguing against someone elses post.. that also contained a big straw man (that anyone wants it to be illegal, or is even calling it unethical.)
I've explained myself fairly thoroughly already, don't really feel the need to repeat myself.
Particularly, read what I added to my previous post after you replied. The main person I'm arguing against (not you) is ignoring about 90% of what is being said either way, not sure my time in this thread is going to last much longer.
stufte
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So if an Adult woman is into Transformers or anything else targeted at young boys, does that make her or others like her creepy?
Zen_Arcade
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I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm not saying that every Brony is creepy, nor do I assume they are. I'm saying that there are enough creepy Bronies, and I've met enough in real life that it's not surprising when I read that another Brony did something creepy. It doesn't mean I assume they're all doing something creepy, just that it's frequent enough to not surprise me anymore.
There are plenty of racist people out there. I've met enough of them to know that. That doesn't mean that I assume every person I meet is a racist, but when I see or hear someone doing something racist I'm not surprised, because I know that it's unfortunately frequent in the human race.
Obsessing over the little girl's show and basing your entire lifestyle around it, often including sexualization? Pedophile alert, yeah.
So that pic keeps going around (I'm not anything close to a MLP fan or a Brony or anything) but that's a birthday party at a Build-a-Bear store. I know this because my daughters have had their birthday party at one on several occasions, and I'm pretty sure I've been in a pic like that, sans-pony. That is very likely a parent, and that could easily be a stuffed animal that he got for his son or daughter who couldn't be there. Context. Or just assume he's a pedo. Either way. IDK.
Stop preventing people from using hyperbole as logical arguments.
You see that's more like it!
This is a red flag for me. How do you go from tearing apart the flaws in pidgeonholing adults for what they like to justify child marriages?
What a moronic thing to do. Someone attempted kidnapping. Let's have our staff follow her around. Let's not inform her parents or security. BTW "I met a lot of non-awful people" but "if you call yourself a brony I prolly won't trust you."
A real mastermind right here.
PonyGAF is much less active nowadays than it was two years ago or so, and most keep out of these threads since they all follow the same pattern and never go anywhere.
Your avatar is from a TV-Y (designed for a very young audience) cartoon, are you sure your not one of those creeps too?
If people are making this kind of art you're obviously in on it also.
is.. is that a dick? That orange thingy between the blue birds leg.
I do believe it is...that's pretty inaccurate dick for a bird.
TheLostBigBoss
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Hey that's not like a totally false equivalent or anything.
EDIT: Jesus christ. I didn't look hard enough at the picture. That's a dick. Why the fuck would you post that without a warning.
Transformers? No. Blue's Clues? Definitely.
Snkfanatic
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Wow....
alfredofroylan
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Using thumblr as a source of info should be enough for that in my opinion.
OH GOD! Semen is leaking from it as well. Nasty.
Man... You're certainly in on something as well. Toodles.
But yeah, you guys should really read into what Opiate's saying.
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Now take that thought and you know how the majority of MLP fans feels about NSFW art, and then go ahead and read this thread again.
Edit, oh, it's Teknoman. Moot point, dammit.
Dude come on, don't post dicks.
stufte
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MLP is intended for girls up to 11, Blues Clues isn't. Transformers is absolutely a comparative toy. So you're saying that only men crossing the gender line in kids toys is creepy. Gotcha.
RumblingRosco
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Really? What the fuck is this.
SpeedySwaf
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I see where you were going with the pic, MH, but this is a rare case when you didn't look close enough.
onadesertedisland
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Liking something a child likes, candy for instance, nothing nefarious about that.
I rather like candy.
However, we aren't discussing this concept in a vacuum. We are discussing liking a children's television show and adults creating an adult environment in which they enjoy the show.
The pushback from the brony community does little to help the outside group understand them. The connection between adult themes and children themes is disconcerting when it comes from adult males utilizing an environment created for, primarily, young female children.
Red Mage
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...are you trying to launch a defense force for pedophilia?
And yes, I'm aware that sexual abuse isn't the only thing children have to look out for. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. = /
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Transhuman
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Why did I have to see this post. You couldn't have just left me in my ignorance?
Regulars, natch.
Your avatar is from a TV-Y (designed for a very young audience) cartoon, are you sure your not one of those creeps too?
If people are making this kind of art you're obviously in on it also.
wait, so you posted this on purpose
lmao
TheLostBigBoss
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People who like a TV show.
jim-jam bongs
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Spring-Loaded
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I haven't watched regular show in a long time. Which episode is this?
I said persecuted or marginalized -- and calling people creepy is exactly how people are marginalized. A group is marginalized if popular culture dismisses them as weird and disgusting.
If you want an example of persecution (as distinct from marginalization), it's fairly easy to imagine an example: bronies might be unreasonably targeted by the community or by the law because they are already disliked. I'm not saying that's happening, necessarily -- I'm only providing an example of how subcommunities which are already disliked are often treated unfairly.
MonsterHunter
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Bingo, that's exactly what I'm pointing out.
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