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Adult brony tries to abduct a 11 yr old girl at Brony Convention
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GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
There's the whole bikini-clad/topless chicks on bikes thing, and then the leather-daddy on bikes thing, but beyond that, no... no one is actually wanting to fuck the bike, just the guy/gal on it. Same with the "babes with machine guns" calendars. I guess it's less shameful than the Nazi memorabilia table at the gun show.
PaulExcellent
Member
Oh, fuck you dude.
I hope you get banned.
This is just a damn depressing story. Thankfully, the girl wasn't harmed.
Fucking gross.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I understand that I have been making generalizations with my posts, but what I'm trying to get at, and many others in this thread will probably agree, is that there are enough acts of deviant brony behavior that make society as a whole apprehensive towards them.
The problem with bronyism is, at its core, that grown men have taken what was intended to be for children and twisted it into something weird. At the end of the day, I can't change someone from being a brony. I may not like it and I may find it incredibly uncomfortable to observe and deal with, but there's really nothing I can do about it. However, that does not change the fact that it is causing situations that are presented in the OP. Situations in which grown men willingly go to places intended for younger audiences that cause uncomfortable interactions and, if the story is actually true, acts of unlawful and exceptionally harmful behavior.
This still isn't clear to me. What do you mean by "an environment created for young female children?" A TV show isn't an environment any more than Metal Gear Solid is, even though Metal Gear Solid is also clearly for children and also has adult fans.
Mocking "bronies" a lot of the time seems to end up with people unintentionally mocking the mentally challenged. That's not meant to insult fans who obviously don't have such conditions, but it's pretty obvious that the show appeals to a lot of people who have them. A few pictures/videos in this thread already have linked to people who seem fairly likely to have some kind of condition.
I also think it's an incredibly dangerous and harmful attitude to label or be suspicious of anyone who watches that show as being a pedophile. I've known a couple of people who were into the show...I never liked it, and I found it secretly kind of creepy and didn't understand the appeal. But, uh, pretty sure they weren't pedophiles. The NSFW "creations" the show produces are pretty sick, but on the internet you cannot know, or claim to know, what portion of the fanbase looks at that stuff. So tarring everyone with the same brush is of course going to create a "defense force". And it's shitty to hear, but it probably helps the decision making of event-organizers to not submit reports of fucking sexual predators to the police for fear of community backlash (for the record, they still should have submitted a police report and I am horrified that they didn't. It's no excuse, but it helps that thought process.)
I also think it's an incredibly dangerous and harmful attitude to label or be suspicious of anyone who watches that show as being a pedophile. I've known a couple of people who were into the show...I never liked it, and I found it secretly kind of creepy and didn't understand the appeal. But, uh, pretty sure they weren't pedophiles. The NSFW "creations" the show produces are pretty sick, but on the internet you cannot know, or claim to know, what portion of the fanbase looks at that stuff. So tarring everyone with the same brush is of course going to create a "defense force". And it's shitty to hear, but it probably helps the decision making of event-organizers to not submit reports of fucking sexual predators to the police for fear of community backlash (for the record, they still should have submitted a police report and I am horrified that they didn't. It's no excuse, but it helps that thought process.)
MonsterHunter
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Way to completely miss the point.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
How is MGS for children? All of the games are rated M, or at the very least T.
CharminUltra
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Dude, that Regular Show pic......
Dude.
Dude.
The Silver
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No it isn't........
Opiate: I'll try to paraphrase my point here. Like you I also attempt to not react to my guttural feelings on a topic, I'm attempting to express logic beyond "it's creepy" (which is my gut feeling.)
- They specifically label themselves as being part of an adult male group
- The target of their fascination are little girl characters
- The reason for the gut reaction many people have is plainly obvious because of their own identification of themselves as adult males, and the child-like characters involved
- I feel that even if their interest is in no way creepy, they should recognize and understand the red flags and take that into account in their public actions.
- I think in this case placating public reaction has more merit than them expressing what really is a somewhat asinine hobby
I'm a proponent of self-editing yourself when your actions are going to make people uncomfortable, when those actions are not fighting against any sort of wrong.
You might enjoy watching kids play at a park for totally non-nefarious reasons.. love their laughter and joy, reminiscing about your own childhood or life as a young parent, etc.
But if you dressed up as a child and wore "I Love watching kids play" t-shirts around playgrounds you'd probably make people feel really uncomfortable. You self edit yourself because it's reasonable to do so.
I wouldn't call it unethical, wouldn't call for it to be illegal, but I don't feel ashamed for suggesting I think Bronies could edit their behavior a bit to be more sensitive to society.
I mean, the con actually does have an 18+ area for brony porn as someone pointed out. Which is not illegal..but it is mixing children with an audience that also can wander in and out of an area that has undeniably pedophile connotations. Like I said.. seems incredibly misguided.
- They specifically label themselves as being part of an adult male group
- The target of their fascination are little girl characters
- The reason for the gut reaction many people have is plainly obvious because of their own identification of themselves as adult males, and the child-like characters involved
- I feel that even if their interest is in no way creepy, they should recognize and understand the red flags and take that into account in their public actions.
- I think in this case placating public reaction has more merit than them expressing what really is a somewhat asinine hobby
I'm a proponent of self-editing yourself when your actions are going to make people uncomfortable, when those actions are not fighting against any sort of wrong.
You might enjoy watching kids play at a park for totally non-nefarious reasons.. love their laughter and joy, reminiscing about your own childhood or life as a young parent, etc.
But if you dressed up as a child and wore "I Love watching kids play" t-shirts around playgrounds you'd probably make people feel really uncomfortable. You self edit yourself because it's reasonable to do so.
I wouldn't call it unethical, wouldn't call for it to be illegal, but I don't feel ashamed for suggesting I think Bronies could edit their behavior a bit to be more sensitive to society.
I mean, the con actually does have an 18+ area for brony porn as someone pointed out. Which is not illegal..but it is mixing children with an audience that also can wander in and out of an area that has undeniably pedophile connotations. Like I said.. seems incredibly misguided.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Of course not! Women can't be sex offenders! Only victims! [/sarcasm]
I have actually heard of a subset of guys terrified to be fathers and/or be around children because of the rampant fearmongering
I disagree. I think it's confirmation bias: I think you already find them creepy, and as such are hyper-aware every time a brony does something that confirms your preconceived beliefs. For instance, children are abused and molested every day (I am not saying this is a good thing), but almost none of those other instances get their own thread about it on GAF.
This is simply insufficient. You find it weird; other people don't. You need some logical basis for argumentation.
stufte
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Yah it was pretty tame as far as that shit goes. Still.
Society as a whole has no idea that the MLP fandom even exists and has never heard of these numerous "acts of deviant brony behavior".
PaulExcellent
Member
There's no point to miss.
You posted a NSFW picture without tag.
I don't care about your stupid argument.
Yes, that's how I decide what is for adults: it has boobies and explosions in it.
It's a child's game. It's an intellectually puerile game about a genetically engineered super spy who fights giant robots and and super villains and women in skin tight clothing.
It doesn't mean you can't like it, obviously. But it's a childish premise and a puerile game.
onadesertedisland
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My Little Pony is a show created to sell merchandise to children. It is a long cartoon commercial.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
You are truly depressingly realistic. It's only when a "Brony" does something that it becomes this huge issue that everyone suddenly cares about. I bet if Putin were a Brony GAF would be all about the current situation in the Ukraine. It's like child predators were rare before MLP. Yes adult fans can be creepy but no one EVER talks about the cool things people have done as well. Always focussed on the negative
Holy shit! Shots fired! Here comes Kojima-GAF to talk about how it's all deeply philosophical and stuff
Zen_Arcade
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They definitely do in my city. There is a convention and Bronies have been on the news before. Not to mention all of the people with kids who see Bronies at the same places they take their children for My Little Pony stuff. They might not hear about every bad situation a Brony has been a part of, but people know generally what Bronies are.
Jesus was a guy who could walk on water and turn water into wine, and is in a book with demons, fire pits, magical cities you go to when you're good and plenty of other unrealistic themes. Magic powers and technology have never been exclusive to childrens media.
Exotoro
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pretty sure regular show is tv-pg
TheLostBigBoss
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Isn't the rule to tag NSFW shit by default? Maybe I don't want to see that
MonsterHunter
Member
It was a simple mistake.
Pony gaping vagina sex-toys are okay though, as long as it's not the opposing argument.
I think they get your point. It's just... The manner you went about it?
Considering the other NSFW posted earlier in this thread... Not many are following it.
Snkfanatic
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Kinda hilarious that everyone jumped up in arms over that regular show pic but not many people quoted the fleshlight pic.
Red Mage
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Just because a game, movie, or book is childish, does not mean it is intended for children. There is a huge difference there.
Kind of a bad example, given my personal beliefs.
Regardless, while this example is probably outside the scope of this thread now, it does highlight an important part of this discussion: I definitely think Metal Gear Solid is childish and silly. And yet, I think it's fine if you enjoy it, despite that, because I'm aware that different people have different preferences.
And it isn't as if I don't enjoy some childish things too. I like watching baseball, for example, which is certainly childish. I don't marginalize MGS fans or call them "creepy" just because I find their tastes puerile.
Scofield94941
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why did I click this thread?
Hilarious but NSFW ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICRt2-plVSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICRt2-plVSE
LaserBuddha
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That's an important point, I agree.
Chess is just a big game of dress up and play war. Let's not be disingenuous, Opiate.
I thought this thread was missing something: the part where people start arguing over the age of the characters! That's always good for a laugh.
freenudemacusers
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Quiet is a sexy confident woman and all those tears in her fishnets were earned on the battlefield!
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
About that guy who "married" Twilight Sparkle...
He doesn't like the Pony porn either it seems.
Not quite the thing i'd want to start arguing about as someone who likes Anime.
He doesn't like the Pony porn either it seems.
Not quite the thing i'd want to start arguing about as someone who likes Anime.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
It absolutely could be confirmation bias, yes.
That being said, however, I think the point stands; regardless of your opinion on bronies as a whole, they have taken a show that was intended for young children and made it something entirely different. I'm not going to get into the argument of "it's disgusting" or "it's fine" again because I think it would be going around in circles at this point, but rather, the point I'm trying to make is that's why it's viewed as unethical or detestable by society.
The brony fandom has become one of the most prominent Internet groups in the last few years; of course society knows that it exists.
At this point in time, I think it is natural to consider anyone who still calls themself a 'brony' to be strange.
If you are a fan of the pony show, you have a couple options:
1. Be a person who likes the show, but doesn't make it part of their public identity. It doesn't have to be a secret, but don't go out of your way to make sure other people know about it.
2. Choose to publicly define yourself as a brony, knowing the sort of reactions you will draw.
Choosing path #2 requires:
A. An innate desire to position yourself as an outsider
B. A level of dedication to the cartoon and a feeling that it is so integral to your identity that the benefits outweight the consequences
C. Profound naivety about social cues
If the person considers it virtuous to be an outsider, then they should be pleased about being thought of as odd by others.
If the person is that dedicated to a cartoon, their motivations are alien to me, and they are legitimately weird from my perspective.
If the person is that oblivious to social interactions, it's possible they are relatively normal, but more probably that the bronyism is only the tip of the strangeness iceberg.
In summary, the strange thing is not the fact that you like a show for kids. It's the fact that you choose to project this as part of your identity.
If you are a fan of the pony show, you have a couple options:
1. Be a person who likes the show, but doesn't make it part of their public identity. It doesn't have to be a secret, but don't go out of your way to make sure other people know about it.
2. Choose to publicly define yourself as a brony, knowing the sort of reactions you will draw.
Choosing path #2 requires:
A. An innate desire to position yourself as an outsider
B. A level of dedication to the cartoon and a feeling that it is so integral to your identity that the benefits outweight the consequences
C. Profound naivety about social cues
If the person considers it virtuous to be an outsider, then they should be pleased about being thought of as odd by others.
If the person is that dedicated to a cartoon, their motivations are alien to me, and they are legitimately weird from my perspective.
If the person is that oblivious to social interactions, it's possible they are relatively normal, but more probably that the bronyism is only the tip of the strangeness iceberg.
In summary, the strange thing is not the fact that you like a show for kids. It's the fact that you choose to project this as part of your identity.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
You could say Chess is a child's understanding of war
Disney porn from the 40's that they fought tooth and nail against has given way to the Brony sex fans. Nothing new. Paedophiles have always existed but being a Brony is a special kind of evil. Now we know where they congregate and can strike
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't believe in the Bible either, but it's hardly a children's book.
I also don't see how baseball is childish considering it was invented by grown men with the intent that the grown men play. It's simple enough for children to play it (Though usually not very well), but that doesn't mean it was made for children, or in any way childish. Unless you think every game is childish.
Also, something being childish and something being designed or made for children are two completely different things.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
bwahaha I really shouldn't be looking at this thread at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw
http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm
Haven't gone through the rest of the thread yet, but what you're stating isn't true. Is the series goofy, yes, no doubt. Has the series never had thoughtful and relevant themes relating to society and culture? Absolutely not.
Let's not get in to this.
Almost all are, yes, but I'd be willing to look at the extremes and see non-childish games. I'll reiterate, though, that we should probably focus on what this illustrates: I find your pastimes childish, and yet I do not want to marginalize or diminish you as a consequence. Similarly, I don't think you should do the same to others.
That doesn't mean that bronies should not be marginalized. We just need better reasons than "it's childish or creepy."
John Kowalski
Banned
Man, i was kinda getting into the discussion but this just had me shaking my head for way too long, and now i'm too tired to think straight.
but them creepy bronies right?? what a buncha pony lovers
CharminUltra
Member
Indeed. I won't be surprised if I receive an email from HR soon =/
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