Pixel Pete
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DOO13ER said:
They don't have time for games because Diablo 3 isn't out yet.
I need to plan ahead and find something for my girlfriend to do while I play. I doubt she could do Gilmore Girls marathons again
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Blizzard is pushing to release Diablo III this year
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They don't have time for games because Diablo 3 isn't out yet.
I need to plan ahead and find something for my girlfriend to do while I play. I doubt she could do Gilmore Girls marathons again
MichaelEM3
Banned
Not sure if this is common knowledge but Blizzard just wrote on their Facebook wall that you're going to have to agree to wanting beta access via the Battle.net website if you want to get into the D3 beta.
Just follow the instructions here if you didn't know: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27822632904&sid=3000
Just follow the instructions here if you didn't know: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27822632904&sid=3000
Considering the fact that Blizzard did a complete overhaul of the game mechanics, incorporating such console style nuances as unkillable mercs and setting a limit to the number of skills available at any given moment to a number that would accommodate such a control...err STYLE OF PLAY, making stats auto-level, and, as of the latest build, ELIMINATING SKILL POINTS AND THUS BUILDS ALTOGETHER, effectively turning it into more of a Zelda game than a PC ARPG, the title ought to read:
Blizzard is pushing to release Diablo III this year (who cares?)
Blizzard is pushing to release Diablo III this year (who cares?)
perfectnight
Banned
Arcblade said:
damn, such misinformation/ignorance
smhSo everyone here but me is totally good with Blizzard eliminating builds?
The idea of having every single skill class skill available to everyone of that class at the same level of power given they are equal character level, at any given time, is your kind of ARPG?
Because with that, the magic of Diablo died, to me.
The idea of having every single skill class skill available to everyone of that class at the same level of power given they are equal character level, at any given time, is your kind of ARPG?
Because with that, the magic of Diablo died, to me.
Scalemail Ted
Member
I want t beta test this game so badly
No misinformation.
There are no skill choices.
You are not set with a build - everyone who is a certain class that is of a level IS the exact same, skill-wise.
They eliminated builds.
The only ignorance was yours, evidently... sad to enlighten you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqjhaCheahM
There are no skill choices.
You are not set with a build - everyone who is a certain class that is of a level IS the exact same, skill-wise.
They eliminated builds.
The only ignorance was yours, evidently... sad to enlighten you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqjhaCheahM
perfectnight
Banned
Arcblade said:
Nah.. at certain levels you will unlock a new slot for your skills. Then you can choose a skill from that tier. Whatever you choose is up to you. Obviously not everyone will pick the same skills so idk why you think there are no skill choices.
Reason they removed skill points was because it led to people dumping points onto one or two skills which is exactly the sort of thing they wanted to get away from since the beginning. They want you to actually use all of those skills and not just have 1 skill that is actually good and a bunch of other one point wonders.
There are a bunch of interviews with Jay Wilson talking about what I mentioned. Read up and stop spreading bullshit.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
perfectnight said:
I'm actually down with this. I kind of hated how toward the end of a hell run you pretty much had to focus on jacking up one or two skills exclusively and spam the piss out of them to finish the game. Don't even get me started on PvP. Whirlwind barbs, frozen orb sorcs, ugh...
The more character skills that don't become useless halfway through the game, the better.
Uh D2 style building was dead without synergies anyway. Secondly all skills points do is limit your character to being a one trick pony who has 1-2 super powered skills, meanwhile everything else is useless and or left in the dust. All this does is lead to a lack of depth within the combat.Arcblade said:
Psychotext
Member
If the most recent footage is indicative of (at least graphically) what we'll get then they need to leave this in the oven for another year.
mysteriousmage09
Member
The skill system was terrible in Diablo II and i'm glad as hell they are moving away from the "lol you have 2 points too many in this one skill, your character is gimped!" crap. Also a lot of people keep ignoring the skill runes which opens up a ton of builds as well as gear stats, etc having effect on the skills. If I recall, attack effects magic damage this time around so casters won't be doing full damage in magic find gear so that's more to think about.
So for character diversity there are
Skill combos
Skill runes
Gear that has more meaning then in Diablo II like my example above
Also cosmetic stuff like the dye system and drastically different looking armor sets so there should actually be quite a bit of diversity in character look on top of the play style.
So all this crap about everyone being exactly the same is stupid. There will be much more variety on all fronts then what Diablo II offered.
So for character diversity there are
Skill combos
Skill runes
Gear that has more meaning then in Diablo II like my example above
Also cosmetic stuff like the dye system and drastically different looking armor sets so there should actually be quite a bit of diversity in character look on top of the play style.
So all this crap about everyone being exactly the same is stupid. There will be much more variety on all fronts then what Diablo II offered.
It's a little different with SWTOR though. With the story involved, I'm a little afraid of the ubiquity of story spoilers if you wait a year. Although if you think about it, I imagine more people are going to be around shouting out endings and such in the beginning. After a year nobody will care...hmm...Zzoram said:
cooltobeyou
Banned
http://www.mac-gamer.com/history/mac-gamer.com/3/features/bnetbig2.gif
We have a brown barb with a stick, a brown barb with a large sword, a brown barb with a large stick, a necromancer with a bone helm and white armor, a brown barb with a stick with a rock on top, a brown barb with a stick with a blade on top, and two more necromancers with bone helms and white armor.
As for the skills? I'm willing to wager we have such greats as Whirlwind, some more whirlwind, and raise skeleton. Shit, you're right, no one used the same stuff in D2.
Something something rose-tinted glasses. Customization comes in many forms.
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Not to mention the last few years of having 20 of these per channel
http://i50.tinypic.com/5jz6nr.gif
We have a brown barb with a stick, a brown barb with a large sword, a brown barb with a large stick, a necromancer with a bone helm and white armor, a brown barb with a stick with a rock on top, a brown barb with a stick with a blade on top, and two more necromancers with bone helms and white armor.
As for the skills? I'm willing to wager we have such greats as Whirlwind, some more whirlwind, and raise skeleton. Shit, you're right, no one used the same stuff in D2.
Something something rose-tinted glasses. Customization comes in many forms.
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Not to mention the last few years of having 20 of these per channel
http://i50.tinypic.com/5jz6nr.gif
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Rad- said:
They have had similar postings for WoW before. It's definitely more likely with Diablo though if they decide they can make it work without compromising quality (as much was said from the recent interviews), especially after Torchlight had a successful transition to XBLA. You couldn't say with absolute certainty at this point though. Again, not a chance of a concurrent release - we would have seen a build of it by now if that was the case.
mysteriousmage09 said:
The thing about the runes in the current form (not the system proposed by Jay Wilson in the recent interview, but I'll get to that) is that once you have 30 level 7 runes, that would be all you need for an individual character. 6 of each of the 5 rune types for your active skills gives you access to every possible setup (unless passives can also be socketed, which would increase the amount needed to 45.) Now there are a lot of possible rune combinations this way, don't get me wrong, but you wouldn't ever need more than 30 to be able to have all your skills use one type of rune, or have any combination.
The proposed system definitely improves the variety with random affixes that would make runes more of a commodity and drive the market. Without explaining they system entirely (go watch the video or read the transcript!), I think it's headed in a better direction, but there are some possible modifications that would improve it.
When all runes are "unattuned" or colorless, even knowing the level, it's just too random, especially when combined with random affixes. I don't want to be popping in a rune hoping to get the effect I want, while also hoping to get a good affix on it.
What I think would be nice is having both colorless and colored runes, but having the colorless ones be more common, and the colored ones be relatively rare to offset the safety of knowing what you're getting. So you could still end up getting what you wanted, but it would cost more in time/gold/runes. So it's kind of a gamble - do you go the safer route with the predictable, but rarer rune? Or do you roll the die on a slightly cheaper rune and hope you get something usable?
In addition to this, to make the system more interesting, the colorless runes could have the (low) possibility of having slightly better affixes than the predefined runes. So to get the best of the best, you would have to burn through a ton of runes. The system could be tweaked in various ways, but the bottom line is that it would serve to increase the depth of the game and increase the value of runes which would be beneficial to the health of the game's economy.
I sincerely hope Blizzard ends up running a system with my first suggested change, if not my second as well - that in combination with having runes locked to specific skills would be much better than the current (old) implementation going from 30 runes necessary to cap out to close to 100* (and finding the perfect affixes for them all.)
*Roughly 20 skills x 5 runes for each skill.
phosphor112
Banned
Couldn't care less. Stopped supporting Blizzard when Activision got a hold of them.
Pixel Pete
Member
tells us how you really feel...
speculawyer
Member
Activision needs product to ship. Having Axed Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk, that open world game, DJ Hero, etc. . . . they need product.
Calavera520
Member
speculawyer said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPS9YKGaKQE
it's about product. yeah. we got the best goddamn product so we gonna sell no matter where we are, right? product motherfuckers, product.
I honestly don't understand how anyone could object to dropping skill points after they take a moment to really think about.
Skill point allocation was fun in the beginning in Diablo II, but then when you realize your character is considered gimped if you don't allocate your points "correctly" from Lv1, the entire game loses half of its charm. The other half, loot, felt pointless after a while too when you realize most people were just purchasing from RMTs or glitching all their loot.
For those still against it, I recommend these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqjhaCheahM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVTVMqtmxPU
Skill point allocation was fun in the beginning in Diablo II, but then when you realize your character is considered gimped if you don't allocate your points "correctly" from Lv1, the entire game loses half of its charm. The other half, loot, felt pointless after a while too when you realize most people were just purchasing from RMTs or glitching all their loot.
For those still against it, I recommend these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqjhaCheahM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVTVMqtmxPU
secretanchitman
Member
blah, new system check is showing the wrong gpu memory - 256MB instead of 1GB! oh well, besides that, its fine.
PLEASE start the beta soon!!!!! i got into the war3x and sc2 betas, so i have a good feeling about d3...
PLEASE start the beta soon!!!!! i got into the war3x and sc2 betas, so i have a good feeling about d3...
maniac-kun
Member
perfectnight said:
If you enjoy deluding yourself into liking the game half so well as you have deluded yourself about the changes, then you'll be one happy lil' camper.
But everyone gets all of the same skills - they can set them up differently, choose which ones to use, but it's still the same thing for everyone, and it's still nonsense.
Do you have any comprehension whatsoever?
You get to choose six skills to use at any one time.
You get to switch them out any time.
BUT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THEM.
So everyone gets every ability.
Which is hot wet garbage.
Why don't YOU stop spreading the bullshit?
AdventureRacing
Member
Arcblade said:
You're talking complete shit. It's bad enough that you are making these grossly misinformed posts but you don't have to be a complete dick about it.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Slightly off topic but I figure it's better than arguing with someone who doesn't understand how the game mechanics work. I've always wondered, and I'm sure someone from BlizzardGAF can tell me:
Do Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft take place in the same universe at all?
Do Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft take place in the same universe at all?
witchedwiz
Member
well...
i'll buy!
so gimme!
i'll buy!
so gimme!
cybercircuit1
Member
BigJiantRobut said:
Not at all whatsoever, outside of the easter egg references.
Um...
Nope.
http://manaflask.com/article/1083/diablo-3-the-biggest-batch-of-news-in-a-long-while
Reading comprehension.
It could be YOUR friend too.
Nope.
http://manaflask.com/article/1083/diablo-3-the-biggest-batch-of-news-in-a-long-while
Reading comprehension.
It could be YOUR friend too.
those are some angry bullet-point statements.Arcblade said:
I don't know why you want to be set into a build. In D2 you chose to either be something like a bowzon or javzon, and if you thought about trying the other option you'd have to grind through another 50+ levels. Now if you have leeway to experience all of the possible skills, It's not like there was great variation in D2, like I said it was either bowzon or javzon.
FieryBalrog
Member
You still have builds, with runes. That's one of their goals; warrior wizard vs teleport wizard vs. beam wizard etc. Go read the long-ass Jay Wilson interview. There are 6 runes per skill and 20 active skills, and I think 7 rarity levels per rune. To swap out you'll have to get more runes.Arcblade said:
I agree with you on one thing, though, I would prefer to have a skill-tree system. Not the 1.10 synergy stupidity though that ruined the fun of builds.
You would with a point system that allowed respecs too.Arcblade said:
You can't switch them in the field.
You don't seem to understand, most people would only max ~4 skills at the most with the old system. That is worse than the new system in which you get to use 6 skills. You need to listen to what Blizzard is saying...