Sure, I understand the rationale of why she did it. But it doesn't change the fact that - there was still a better choice that could have been made, and wasn't. That is a theme you see throughout the show. Walt should have listened to Jesse in the arcade room, instead of killing Gale - they should have went to the DEA, and took a plea deal by giving up Gus.
And so I go back to the scene where Walt was willing to turn himself in, and Skyler encourages him not to. I mean think about that. Walt, was actually willing to turn himself in. That a was pretty big moment in the series, I never thought Walt was capable of this. I figured with the arc of Walt, he was beyond that sort of thing. That he would rather die, then let himself be taken in by the cops. That his ego/hubris and his need for control, would never allow him to consider that a viable option.
Yet here we are. And he's willing to turn himself in. Even in the episode before this one, he would rather go in handcuffs, then fight his brother in law.
Yes, Walt is evil. Of course. But we have to acknowledge these other aspects of Walt. It's what makes him interesting. That even has lines he won't cross.
Breaking Bad's Mike Ehrmantraut is a tough guy. He's also a grandfather with a heart of gold. So how else would Mike Ehrmantraut put his grand daughter to bed but to read her fairy tales in his own way?
I agree, to a certain extent. Inaction and its consequences is a big recurring theme in this series, Walt and Jane comes to mind. Skylar thinks that she can maintain the facade of the status quo up, despite the glaring fact that it's built on blood and illegally acquired money.
Having said that, I don't really agree with the whole crossing lines bit. He has lines he thinks he won't cross, lines that he doesn't want to cross, but he doesn't realize that every action he has ever taken in this series has placed his family in extreme danger. His brother in law is a DEA agent ffs, it's not like this is a huge leap in logic to expect that the two might cross paths. Not to mention illegal drug production isn't exactly the safest career choice for any family, period. Skylar believed her own lies when she tried to maintain the status quo, but Walt has been believing his own lies all series long.
Maybe. Although I think you missed the point of my post.
So why didn't he just kill Hank? I believe family was definitely a line he never would cross.
Well his dad, who he literally called his hero on television in the last year, just confessed that he killed his uncle, so...wasn't anyone surprised at how walt Jr. was able to grab Walt and throw him away from his mom?
season 6 spoilers:
Starts with Walt Jr.saying he's going out with some friends (retrospective).
we see him driving to somewhere out of the town. He enters the building.
We see him entering a fight ring with a luchador mask
*breaking bad intro*
I disagree that Walt is evil.
He has done some very bad things but they have always been for self preservation or to save someone else. Usually Jessie.
He went out of his way and got into serious shit because other people were fucking shit up by being dumbasses (Skylar, Hank, Jessie).
He was just a desperate dude in over his head! He was always reluctant but his hands were tied. He was pushed too far when jessie betrayed him and caused the death of hank.
Remember, Jessie set this whole thing up. WW told the Nazis not to come and was willing to go down.
For me it was "NO. I TRIED TO SAVE HIM"
Gut wrenching. His world is spiralling out of control and he's holding on for dear life. Cranston killed it again.
Yeah, people fail to realize that Walt wanting to leave behind money for his family - is about himself feeling his life had meaning. That his life had worth. So while the object is to leave money for his family, the motivation is really selfish in that it's about proving his life had a real impact/purpose.
I understand your point.
My point was turning themselves in wasn't an option while Gus was around.
Really?Skyler's causation is very attenuated. She has a part to play, but it isn't as direct as Walt's, nor has she been able to exercise the control he has over the situation or even put the wheels in motion the way he has.
Walt haters are ridiculous. This isn't real guys.
Really?
How have the White's hidden their finances? The business was Skyler's idea, she handled the negotiations, she launders the money. She helped create the blackmail tape. She ordered the hit on Jesse. She has every bit as much control over the business as Walter at this moment, if not more. The business cannot survive without her direct control and influence, so yes, she is just as culpable.
I disagree that Walt is evil.
He has done some very bad things but they have always been for self preservation or to save someone else. Usually Jessie.
He went out of his way and got into serious shit because other people were fucking shit up by being dumbasses (Skylar, Hank, Jessie).
He was just a desperate dude in over his head! He was always reluctant but his hands were tied. He was pushed too far when jessie betrayed him and caused the death of hank.
Remember, Jessie set this whole thing up. WW told the Nazis not to come and was willing to go down.
One conversation I remember is with him and Jr, when he recounts how he viewed his father as pathetic, being stuck in a hospitol bed and being unable to provide for his family. He feared that more than anything, because he thought his family would view him the same way he viewed his father in that instance.
But walt jr. says that's not true at all. He would not look at walt with any kind of shame for being brought down by cancer. He would only do that if Walt was not there for him, loving him and skyler as a father and husband should.
Walt pretty much disregards this completely. He decides what kind of love Walt jr needs, not Walt Jr. You can't argue that he isn't doing it for himself if he doesn't listen when Walt Jr tells him what he wants out of a father.
Walt's motivation to Break Bad might have been surface level about providing for his family after he was gone, but deep down it was about pride, and the fact that he was going to die with nothing to show for his life. It was his anger that he never achieved his potential in life.
Just thinking about how hard the networks will go after Vince Gilligan for his next series.
Holy guacamole.
Really?
How have the White's hidden their finances? The business was Skyler's idea, she handled the negotiations, she launders the money. She helped create the blackmail tape. She ordered the hit on Jesse. She has every bit as much control over the business as Walter at this moment, if not more. The business cannot survive without her direct control and influence, so yes, she is just as culpable.
100% true.
If it were about his family in a selfless way, he'd have accepted help when it was offered. He repeatedly declined things that would help his family out of pure selfish pride.
Walt haters are ridiculous. This isn't real guys.
I really kind of hope he takes a break. People who produce something this good have a habbit of having their next project flop because they can't get the last project out of their head.
Here's the list of the Emmys that Breaking Bad was nominated for:Next Sunday.
Outstanding Directing For A Drama Series - 2013
Breaking Bad Gliding Over All
Michelle MacLaren, Directed by
Outstanding Drama Series - 2013
Breaking Bad
Outstanding Lead Actor In A Drama Series - 2013
Bryan Cranston, as Walter White
Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Drama Series - 2013
Jonathan Banks, as Mike Ehrmantraut
Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Drama Series - 2013
Aaron Paul, as Jesse Pinkman
Outstanding Supporting Actress In A Drama Series - 2013
Anna Gunn, as Skyler White
Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series - 2013
Breaking Bad Dead Freight
George Mastras, Written by
Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series - 2013
Breaking Bad Say My Name
Thomas Schnauz, Written by
Doing bad things out of self-preservation doesn't make it any less bad. Evil is typically born in self-preservation and desperation.
That's exactly what she did. She may have said it as some lame mafia cliche like, "make sure he's sleeping with the fishes" or something, but her meaning was crystal clear: Walt, kill Jessepfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Maybe this is just the law school student in me, I think you need to look up the legal definition of proximate cause.
Skyler's causation is very attenuated. She has a part to play, but it isn't as direct as Walt's, nor has she been able to exercise the control he has over the situation or even put the wheels in motion the way he has.
She isn't "just as culpable." That's really intellectually dishonest to flatten their actions along the same moral plane.
That's exactly what she did. She may have said it as some lame mafia cliche like, "make sure he's sleeping with the fishes" or something, but her meaning was crystal clear: Walt, kill Jesse
Completely agree. My favorite line in the episode. The grief and desperation in his voice was just awful.
I really kind of hope he takes a break. People who produce something this good have a habbit of having their next project flop because they can't get the last project out of their head.
So there's never been a character you hated in books, movies or other fiction? Because hey, this isn't real guys.
Yes, 5.2 is eligible in 2014. Another reason why AMC split the season.Will 5.2 get another stab at the Emmys next year or is this it for Gilligan and co?
Sounds like he's only in an advisory role. Presumably he'll get a producer credit, but I doubt he'll be in that room - it's Gould's show.I thought Vince was gonna write for the Saul spin-off?
I think what you quoted was wrong. He doesn't do it out of self-preservation, he does it for himself as well as those around him. He was ready to give up 80 mil for Hanks life. The 80 mil was the point but in that moment, Hank was more important to him and his family
That 80 million dollars was illegally acquired in the first place, and cost a hell of a lot of blood to get there too. It's like selling off a stolen car to pay for stolen gas. /socialnetwork
Saul didn't have the authority to order it while Skyler did. She's a partner in the business and an equal in their family's affairs while Saul was not.She did not order a hit on Jesse any more than Saul ordered it.
Walt ordered it, and him alone.
...I'm on team Walt because he's a badass.
Makes perfect sense....all this team crap is stupid...
It's ok to hate a character but verbally assaulting anybody that likes the character is taking it way too far.
The problem is that too many gaffers see everything in either black or white. It happens in practically every single thread, you always see people unable to see the moral shades in life.
But I see this show for what it is, a work of fiction and I'm on team Walt because he's a badass. But even then, all this team crap is stupid, everybody broke bad and all I want is for the show to be entertaining.
Saul didn't have the authority to order it while Skyler did. She's a partner in the business and an equal in their family's affairs while Saul was not.