To be fair, that was also them recognizing that in nearly every universe, Victor was the only thing that could ever hope to oppose their rule.
says a lot when Reed Richards with The Starbrand still fears you
To be fair, that was also them recognizing that in nearly every universe, Victor was the only thing that could ever hope to oppose their rule.
In nearly every universe, Reeds have been making Dooms turn in to useless vegetables.
Superman vs Batman fights always involve some plot induced stupidity on the part of everyone who isn't Batman.
That's the secret of "prep time:" everyone else becomes stupid so Batman can look like a threat.
When he confronts Leaguers in their books, they regard him as an annoyance at best.
True, but 616 tends to be the home of the "prime" versions of all characters. You can look to Galactus here, or even Thanos. Secret wars notes that 616 Thanos is "vastly" more powerful than every other variant.
True, but 616 tends to be the home of the "prime" versions of all characters. You can look to Galactus here, or even Thanos. Secret wars notes that 616 Thanos is "vastly" more powerful than every other variant.
Except hal jordan who batman beats down just for fun.
So wouldn't that be true with 616 Reed too?
That's the secret of "prep time:" everyone else becomes stupid so Batman can look like a threat.
When he confronts Leaguers in their books, they regard him as an annoyance at best.
So wouldn't that be true with 616 Reed too?
Definitely true. Batman's victories sort of rely on prep time though, can't say the same for Doom. Surprise him coming out of the spa in a towel and your ass is still grass.
The weird thing though is that followed to the logical conclusion batman SHOULD be Doom. Master magic and crazy science, use your resources to use androids, drones, and power suits- but despite the money and intellect beating criminals in the face in his bat themed underoos is his solution for Gotham's crime problems.
Definitely true. Batman's victories sort of rely on prep time though, can't say the same for Doom. Surprise him coming out of the spa in a towel and your ass is still grass.
The weird thing though is that followed to the logical conclusion batman SHOULD be Doom. Master magic and crazy science, use your resources to use androids, drones, and power suits- but despite the money and intellect beating criminals in the face in his bat themed underoos is his solution for Gotham's crime problems.
It WOULD be. But 616 Reed is the only one with a stable family and marriage, which derailed the sociopathic tendencies all the other reeds have.
He passed these on to his daughter though. At least she has Franklin to keep her in check.
The point is though, we dont know how strong and fast they actually are because akira did a bad job of presenting how strong they were or rather, he couldnt because he kept most of the battles on earth, it was said that beerus can just casually destroy solar systems and galaxies, infact that was his job, but that didnt happen because they were on earth and he said he wouldnt harm it right then and there if goku or anyone else defeated him.None of this matters. There are already scans in the thread of superman tanking the force of multiple supernovas without so much as a nosebleed, and absorbing enough power to vaporize half the galaxy like its no big deal.
No one is putting out that kind of power in DBZ no matter how much you play with power levels.
And speed? I can easily show you Clark going 740 million miles in 4 minutes...or about 20X light speed. And he's traveled interstellar distances faster than that.
edit: just for shits and giggles I looked up his fastest speed feats: N52 Superman went from earth to pluto and back in about 2 minutes, and All Star Superman went from Earth to Alpha centauri and back- about 8.6 light years- in the time it takes to finish a sentence. Trying to debate "speed" here is futile.
At that level you're so fast that a speed debate is useless.
there's also this little story...
non canon though, sadly.
He passed these on to his daughter though. At least she has Franklin to keep her in check.
Whats the context of this btw?
There is NOTHING better than super science slander.
None of this matters. There are already scans in the thread of superman tanking the force of multiple supernovas without so much as a nosebleed, and absorbing enough power to vaporize half the galaxy like its no big deal.
No one is putting out that kind of power in DBZ no matter how much you play with power levels.
And speed? I can easily show you Clark going 740 million miles in 4 minutes...or about 20X light speed. And he's traveled interstellar distances faster than that.
edit: just for shits and giggles I looked up his fastest speed feats: N52 Superman went from earth to pluto and back in about 2 minutes, and All Star Superman went from Earth to Alpha centauri and back- about 8.6 light years- in the time it takes to finish a sentence. Trying to debate "speed" here is futile.
At that level you're so fast that a speed debate is useless.
I haven't been reading Marvel for a while. Whatever happened to Stature? I liked her and Patriot the most out of the Young Avengers.
I readshe died or some thing.
I wonder if Franklin could keep his father in check if he went off the deep end, even with his reality warping
Reed is goddamn scary.
amazing to think that with all this, Reed Richards still manages to be so successful in keeping Doom in check
most of the time
She died and then Doom brought her back to life. I think she's retired though.
I have a new hero now.
Lol. As someone already pointed out Doom can do all of that already.
He's also already had the powers of the surfer, Galactus, AND the beyonder.
Butiirc he was the one who killed her in the first place lol.
It's cuz 616 is where it's at.
If you hang out in 1610, you're a square.
So uh
Why is Apocalypse a terrible villain?
Fixed that for ya.Because he was created for 80s X-Factor.
He's used them quite a bit. Decided to create a whole universe filled with people like him. Didn't go very well.
... I have so much reading to catch up on.
The Flash would wreck doom
The ability to use the force is insignificant compared to the power cosmic then, eh?
He is a hypocriteSo uh
Why is Apocalypse a terrible villain?
Pissed of Galactus? I don't think any force user could out perform a pissed off Air WalkerBy quite a bit.
Even if you were to limit the PC to "just" what surfer can do, as opposed to what Galactus does with the "full" PC it's not in the same ballpark. Surfer is a goddamned monster.
Again, quantifying what we've seen the force do in movies, television, games etc that are considered canon now- no idea what goes on in the expanded universe. But even there it's tough to see any force user exceeding a pissed off Galactus.
He is a hypocrite
Pissed of Galactus? I don't think any force user could out perform a pissed off Air Walker
Except hal jordan who batman beats down just for fun.
So uh
Why is Apocalypse a terrible villain?
well, I've heard of people doing crazy things in the expanded universe, but I can't really be bothered to go cruising through the mess that is wookieepedia trying to find examples.
There might be someone, somewhere that's stronger than surfer is somewhere in the star wars expanded universe (though i seriously doubt this), but there's no one as stupid powerful as a Galactus that gives no fucks.
I've been reading some X-men in the last few days.
Lmao, Vader couldn't even beat scrub tier Magneto, let alone the one with FTL reaction times and forcefields.
To put this in perspective, consider that the super star destroyer is 2200 meters long ( I just looked this up). about a mile, give or take.
Magneto in his prime levitated an asteroid the size of manhattan- roughly 13 miles- while immobilizing four teams of Xmen at the same time just to trash talk them.
Magneto could take the entire imperial fleet out *by himself*
Didn't both Luke Cage and Squirrel Girl beat Doom?
He may have some impressive W's, but those L's are straight shameful.
there isn't anyone on the level of Silver Surfer. the biggest feat I read was one Jedi taking down battle cruisers from orbit. that's about it.
:lol
For those who don't know the context, Magneto is manipulating the Earth's magnetic field so he can he choose where to put EMPs in certain places for the planet to be without power.
While doing this, he is simultaneously NUKED by the military, and survives