Yeah I dont get the Mike hate. The "just wing it with no outline" format is terrible for both guys all around. That isn't his fault. With no outline they aren't able to give a clear summary of the movies, they randomly jump back and forth between topics, and they stick on weird tangents longer than they need to because they're struggling to fill dead air. I've always thought James has done poorly in this style of video while Mike has often fared better.
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Cinemassacre's Monster Madness 9 (2015)
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Cow Mengde
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For me, I don't mind the new style. It feel real and, well, not scripted. Just 2 guys talking about a movie. I can tell you first hand that ad libbing for a video is very hard even if you know the subject really well.
James mentioned it. I don't think he'll review it. It was years ago and people were bugging him to review it on Monster Madness. I recall him saying it's a sick film, and that was it.
Banjotanooki
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When did he mention it?
Colonel Mustard
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The less attention Cannibal Holocaust gets, the better. Awful movie, not scary, not unsettling, not well-written, just gross.
It's the grandfather of found footage and gore-porn films. Zero redeeming qualities unless you enjoy watching turtles getting murdered.
It's the grandfather of found footage and gore-porn films. Zero redeeming qualities unless you enjoy watching turtles getting murdered.
Banjotanooki
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Oh, I agree. I would just love to hear James' opinion on it.
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I kind of like that film, although the best thing about it is the score and that's a big reason why I do. Certainly not a lot of films like it and it's not recommended for the easily offended. An argument could be made that the animals were just being killed for food and they simply filmed the slaughter, a bit like in Southern Comfort and the pig bleeding scene.
Lord_Balkan
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I was much more okay okay with those scenes because the food was given to the locals. I was actually reading that they were going to use a prop for the spider monkey scene but the locals convinced them to use an actual spider monkey since those were delicacies to them.
I personally liked the themes of immorality explored. The immorality of our modern society was contrasted with how people in our society viewed the immorality of the cannibals / tribes. It reminded me of what Wes Craven did in Last House Of The Left.
But anyway, I prefer the old format. This isn't bad, but its just not as good.
Agreed 100%. It's an absolutely terrible movie - a wannabe snuff film masquerading as a satire of or commentary on snuff films. Cannibal Holocaust is revolting garbage.
I think the Cinema Snob review is enough.
Cow Mengde
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In the comments section of his site as I recall. It was years ago.
I doubt Monster Madness will cover Cannibal Holocaust. If you want a good look into that film The Cinema Snob Review is fantastic and deliciously meta. I believe Brad in real life likes the film OK, but he's always good at poking fun at fucked up films.
Btw anyone who's interested in exploitation and the like should check his site out if you haven't already.
Btw anyone who's interested in exploitation and the like should check his site out if you haven't already.
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Thanks, I will check that out.
Rhomega Beta
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He also likes Caligula, which Roger Ebert said was so bad he walked out of it.
Carnby
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I'm sure Mike is a great guy and he's talented at working behind the scenes. But has awful camera presence and his shit version of Seinfeld's act is irritating ("did you ever notice consoles have firmware updates? What's up with that? Lame. Amirite?")
We all became fans of cinemassacre for Nerd and Monster Madness. No one stayed for James and Mike Monday. We just tolerated it. That's why him being in MM9 is so irritating.
We all became fans of cinemassacre for Nerd and Monster Madness. No one stayed for James and Mike Monday. We just tolerated it. That's why him being in MM9 is so irritating.
Rhomega Beta
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Old Monster Madness uploaded to YouTube with Silent Horror Classics.
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I value a critics point of view and the knowledge they bring, but basing your opinions on somebody else's is pretty shallow. Apologies if that isn't what you were getting at, but it's similar to somebody bringing up a metacritic score in a debate.
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Nah. CH is a nasty little movie, but its definitely got merit. If nothing else Riz Ortolani's score is gorgeous.
Its also by no means the first of its type -which essentially began as rip-offs of "A Man called Horse" in the early 70's- its infamy is mainly due to it being by far the best of the cycle, and it actually being extremely effective as a shocker.
CH is a movie everyone starts out sniggering at, but 90 mins later its a whole other story....
Roger Ebert also didn't like A Clockwork Orange (at least when he first saw it). Not that I'm comparing Kubrick to the what... 3? Directors who passed around the rotting pile of Caligula, but tastes on vile and subversive films like those are always gonna divisive.
If you love exploitation as much as Brad, I could easily see how the insanity of Caligula could appeal.
Really glad he's doing this as well. Great excuse to rewatch. Haxan is real creepy to me for some reason.
Banjotanooki
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I honestly don't understand the Mike hate. Granted, I wish Monster Madness was all about James doing his thing and talking about the movies but I swear, people overreact over Mike in ANY video he's in.
neogaffer1
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i think much of the hate can be summed up in a few points
- he hates modern games and rants on how they're not as good as older games, which james does but james has also made it clear he plays some modern games and has done some modern-ish stuff in avgn, so james's hate comes across as "oh i just prefer older games" whereas mike's seems more irrational and unwilling to even care about modern games
- he's not as much of a smooth talker as james--james has a voice that's just nice to listen to, which is a big reason why avgn really took off in the first place, and mike really just doesn't have that
- people have gotten used to james through avgn for years. mike has shown up in avgn, sure, but rarely and usually in costume, so they're not used to him
personally i just don't like the guy as much as i do james--i do think the concept james has in his mind for avgn and some of his other personas are vastly different than what those characters should be* but he's still a very likeable guy whereas mike just comes across as an asshole who doesn't add anything james doesn't already have
*the avgn movie and some of the more recent episodes with story written into the episode rather than just talking on the game just comes across as trying to make the focus more on avgn the character rather than the game--that's not to say some of those episodes are bad, but avgn excells more when the focus is on the game instead of some made up battle against rob the robot or whatever conflict is forced alongside the commentary; board james should've ended at some point either when he went to jail or when mike or bootsy came back or even when it was revealed they didn't even exist in the first place, instead it keeps dragging on for some reason
Frozen (2010)
Not that Frozen.
Anyway it's another discussion video with Mike, but I think it's a bit more interesting this time. I've never heard of this film, so maybe that helps.
Edit: Youtube Link
Not that Frozen.
Anyway it's another discussion video with Mike, but I think it's a bit more interesting this time. I've never heard of this film, so maybe that helps.
Edit: Youtube Link
So I wonder if the pattern will be:
- Discussion/unscripted with James & Mike
- Old school/public domain that can shown on YouTube
- Cinemassacre.com exclusive video
& YouTube version of the Frozen (2010) review.
- Discussion/unscripted with James & Mike
- Old school/public domain that can shown on YouTube
- Cinemassacre.com exclusive video
& YouTube version of the Frozen (2010) review.
Since it's apparently a 1/3 for each type I'd say it's probable.
Well this was kind of better than the Ring "review", but it took them 2 minutes just to actually start talking about the film.
For some reason, this movie reminds me of another movie I partly saw on TV where these people somehow fell off a boat they rented (no idea how) & they're trying to think of a way to get back on before they drown, get eaten, or whatever. Another film where it's a simple concept, but one that can actually be quite scary without having to add anything supernatural & the like. I just wish I could remember its name....
Edit: I THINK it was Adrift (2006), aka Open Water 2. Funny enough, that complaint from Mike about "why don't they try tying their clothes together to make a rope" might've been what triggered my memory of this movie because I recall there was a scene where they try doing that in order to climb back up on the boat.
For some reason, this movie reminds me of another movie I partly saw on TV where these people somehow fell off a boat they rented (no idea how) & they're trying to think of a way to get back on before they drown, get eaten, or whatever. Another film where it's a simple concept, but one that can actually be quite scary without having to add anything supernatural & the like. I just wish I could remember its name....
Edit: I THINK it was Adrift (2006), aka Open Water 2. Funny enough, that complaint from Mike about "why don't they try tying their clothes together to make a rope" might've been what triggered my memory of this movie because I recall there was a scene where they try doing that in order to climb back up on the boat.
John Dunbar
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i have always gotten the exact opposite feeling. except that james doesn't rant about how much he hates new games because he plays them so little and just doesn't care. mike seems to at least have an interest in modern games, even if he clearly prefers old ones. other than the games he plays for avgn, it has always felt like james' modern gaming is limited to new zeldas and such.
plasmawave
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I remember enjoying Frozen.
I'd recommend it.
I'd recommend it.
industrian
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I remember watching Frozen a few years ago. It was incredibly mediocre with no tension or stakes whatsoever. I think someone on GAF recommended it to me in a horror movie thread in 2011 or 2012.
James has posted the Night of the Living Dead commentary he did last year on to Youtube.
zero shift
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Misery (1990)
Wow, I'm surpirsed he hasn't talked about this film in a previous year. Seemed like one of those obvious choices considering how famous it is.
Wow, I'm surpirsed he hasn't talked about this film in a previous year. Seemed like one of those obvious choices considering how famous it is.
Love this film. Good to hear him talk about it.
industrian
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Misery is a fantastic movie. And it's more relevant now than when it was made. Bates deserved that Oscar.
I'm surprised he didn't mention the hammer scene.
I'm surprised he didn't mention the hammer scene.
Cow Mengde
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Sounds like something I should check out.
I watched it while drunk at a party, knowing nothing about it, and I actually got pretty queasy during some moments. I did not enjoy it.
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I love Troma, they have such a good attitude to film making. Ok, some of their films are complete garbage, but who cares when decapitated bodies are shitting themselves.
Demon Lizardman
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The movie is on Youtube if you guys are interested in watching it, but I don't recommend eating before, after or during the film.
Seductivpancakes
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I really like these videos over his AVGN material.
Talladega Knight
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An old friend of mine is a producer on Poultreygeist. The movie is insane, in a good way.
Cow Mengde
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Now I'm even more curious.
Lord British
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Strongly disagree. It's an important, powerful, ground-breaking film. Themes of the West's perception of its own superiority, themes of ethics in film-making (I know, I know). It's a fascinating thing.
Repugnant, certainly. Gross, definitely. Animal cruelty? No reasonable excuse. But it's all service of the film. It's an auteur piece for sure.
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