Musha_Soturi
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When West Virginia seceded from Virginia it didn't suddenly stop being part of the United State, did it? It's the same principle with the EU. This isn't like the the UN, OECD, IMF or any other international organisation, the EU is a proto-federal entity with much of the trappings of statehood so you cannot just say for sure that Scotland would be outside the EU if it left the UK. No judge or court has made a ruling on this and anyone claiming for sure that they know Scotland would have to reapply is just spoofing.
Sure, but you said " it's more than likely they'd rule that Scotland would still be part of the EU" - now I appreciate that the words of the EU Commission aren't binding or anything, but you've gone literally the other way and said that what they've said is unlikely to happen and what you think is "more than likely" to happen - based on what?
I don't know any of the specifics but I like being part of the EU, as long as we never have to use the euro.
Never is a long time, it won't be for a few years but at some point we'll have to adopt the Euro.
Never is a long time, it won't be for a few years but at some point we'll have to adopt the Euro.
Never is a long time, it won't be for a few years but at some point we'll have to adopt the Euro.
No, we won't. We'll never have to. We can choose to, but will never have to nor do I hope we do.
If we were made to accept the euro alot of people wouldn't want to be part of the EU.
No we won't. I have no idea how you've even pulled that from your arse.
I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
Why would we join a currency that has already shown itself to be volatile? There's as much chance of the world adopting one currency as the pound disappearing and us joining the Euro.
That's one hell of a crystal ball.I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
I'd imagine it would be internal European politics pushing for ever closer union between all states. Things like the Schengen area would be extended to include the UK and Ireland and the Euro growing to include the pound and the krone are natural endgames to a federal Europe.
Never is a long time, it won't be for a few years but at some point we'll have to adopt the Euro.
Never is a long time, it won't be for a few years but at some point we'll have to adopt the Euro.
I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
Not bad, stuck a tenner on LEAVE with odds of 3.4
I think they'll shorten a bit after the BoJo announcement.
RIP to your career, Johnson.
There are some really dangerous ideologues in the Conservative party.
I think it is a fair question to ask if the Euro will still be here in 50 years time the way things are going with that currency. The pound on the other hand has been around since 1707 and is still regarding as a top tier currency to this day. So yeah the UK will still be using the pound in 2066.
I think it is a fair question to ask if the Euro will still be here in 50 years time the way things are going with that currency. The pound on the other hand has been around since 1707 and is still regarding as a top tier currency to this day. So yeah the UK will still be using the pound in 2066.
We got out of that in the Maastricht treaty. The UK and Denmark do not have to do it.. Something big would have to happen to change that and I can never see that happening.I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
But so what? People should have their own thoughts on what they think is best, not go along with someone just because they like him.He's popular, very popular.
I see Iain Duncan Smith has already played the Paris-style attack[/URL]" card
just had that one ready to go. gotta remind the plebs about the scary muslims or something. prick.
I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
But so what? People should have their own thoughts on what they think is best, not go along with someone just because they like him.
And just watch how quickly the Tories go to town on ripping up workers rights, holiday pay, redundancy pay, sick pay, etc. The second we leave.
How much do we pay the EU?
It seems to be £30-50 million a day.
If anything I want to find out why we pay so much money in a time where we should be using it for better things. There needs to be more transparency with the EU, what is our money used on. Yes its only 0.5% GDP but using that figure alone would get peoples Jimmys rustled!
I mean Confederation of British Industry suggests the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year so that's a good figure that would be ignored.
It comes down to one thing this referendum... Migrants. They are flooding the streets of every town in Europe, they are groping women on every corner, every backpack you see has bombs or weapons in it and they are coming over here next! Unless we vote out when we can blow up the Channel Tunnel and defend our glorious Island!
Forget figures, majority of voters voting to leave will do so on the Migrants being kept out
How much do we pay the EU?
It seems to be £30-50 million a day.
If anything I want to find out why we pay so much money in a time where we should be using it for better things. There needs to be more transparency with the EU, what is our money used on. Yes its only 0.5% GDP but using that figure alone would get peoples Jimmys rustled!
I mean Confederation of British Industry suggests the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year so that's a good figure that would be ignored.
It comes down to one thing this referendum... Migrants. They are flooding the streets of every town in Europe, they are groping women on every corner, every backpack you see has bombs or weapons in it and they are coming over here next! Unless we vote out when we can blow up the Channel Tunnel and defend our glorious Island!
Forget figures, majority of voters voting to leave will do so on the Migrants being kept out
How much do we pay the EU?
It seems to be £30-50 million a day.
If anything I want to find out why we pay so much money in a time where we should be using it for better things. There needs to be more transparency with the EU, what is our money used on. Yes its only 0.5% GDP but using that figure alone would get peoples Jimmys rustled!
I mean Confederation of British Industry suggests the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year so that's a good figure that would be ignored.
It comes down to one thing this referendum... Migrants. They are flooding the streets of every town in Europe, they are groping women on every corner, every backpack you see has bombs or weapons in it and they are coming over here next! Unless we vote out when we can blow up the Channel Tunnel and defend our glorious Island!
Forget figures, majority of voters voting to leave will do so on the Migrants being kept out
I'm more worried about the 2 million UK citizens living in EU countries getting turfed back. Where would we put the Costa del Grannies. Could we cope? Won't somebody think of the NHS?
How much do we pay the EU?
It seems to be £30-50 million a day.
If anything I want to find out why we pay so much money in a time where we should be using it for better things. There needs to be more transparency with the EU, what is our money used on. Yes its only 0.5% GDP but using that figure alone would get peoples Jimmys rustled!
I mean Confederation of British Industry suggests the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year so that's a good figure that would be ignored.
It comes down to one thing this referendum... Migrants. They are flooding the streets of every town in Europe, they are groping women on every corner, every backpack you see has bombs or weapons in it and they are coming over here next! Unless we vote out when we can blow up the Channel Tunnel and defend our glorious Island!
Forget figures, majority of voters voting to leave will do so on the Migrants being kept out
I'm talking like 50 years in the future here guys. I think it'll happen eventually since I just don't think the pound will last forever, if you disagree then fair enough.
I'm more worried about the 2 million UK citizens living in EU countries getting turfed back. Where would we put the Costa del Grannies. Could we cope? Won't somebody think of the NHS?
On what basis so you believe this? Do you have any understanding of economics?
I'm more worried about the 2 million UK citizens living in EU countries getting turfed back. Where would we put the Costa del Grannies. Could we cope? Won't somebody think of the NHS?
There was a large Ex-pat community in Spain before and will continue to be, my parents who have a house out there and been constantly hit with new taxes from the Spanish government because they were not Spanish, that would not happen over here, most notably was a change in car driving where you now have to pay some hideous fee if you intend to keep a British car in Spain, taxes on the bank accounts because they are English based...
But Spain will not suddenly tell all these Ex-Pats to GTFO, simply wont happen
I shall be voting to remain in the EU.
Mostly for short-term pragmatic reasons. Im pretty sure that the UK could work about equally well either inside or outside the EU (provided that the rest of the EU continues to exist), but Im not convinced that there is a significant benefit to being outside while I am convinced that the process of leaving would be a high-risk enterprise that would dominate the political discourse for two or three years when we have much more important things to worry about.
On the EU itself: Yes theres a lot of law that comes from the EU and maybe wed prefer to be making all our own laws ourselves but on the other hand theres really not a lot of point in having all the laws different in all the countries. Yes, theres one hell of a democratic deficit but anyone who pays attention to the voting in Eurovision will realise that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes there are some really stupid things, like Strasbourg and the CAP. But also there is a lot that is sensible, a lot that is genuinely realistic to have in common. And Free Trade is generally a Good Thing. And regulation is also generally a Good Thing.
On UK supremacy: Really, how much would be different? For starters wed lose the inward part of our net contribution to the EU which largely goes to the poorer regions. Good luck on getting that out of London if we were wholly independent. Wed gain the ability to do more state aid to failing industries which sounds like a money-sink. Beyond that, probably not very much. With all due respect to Ding-Ding (who does have direct experience of this stuff) the obstruction he is getting on the grounds of EU law wouldnt go away, he would just get obstructed in the same things for different reasons, because people like to obstruct things (for examples, read any set of political diaries from the last 100 years or so).
On the effects of a vote for Brexit: First thing that happens is a massive influx of immigrants, much bigger than anything weve seen so far, and we wont be able to get rid of them afterwards whatever anyone says. Second thing that happens is a renewed push for Scottish independence with all the political turmoil that that involves. Third thing that happens is two or three years of negotiation which will result in a not-very-good settlement for leaving (it cant be a very good settlement because that would encourage others to leave the EU) and by the time that negotiation is complete the benefits of leaving the EU will be much less apparent so well probably have another referendum and vote to stay in.
The very worst state of affairs would be if tactical voting in Scotland triggers an EU exit followed by a Scottish separation followed by a Scottish application to join the EU while the UK is negotiating to leave, followed by other EU countries threatening to leave and the potential breakup of the whole EU project. It would be a nightmare I tell you.
So count me IN.
The leave campaign has been given a major boost by Boris Johnson, who says the only way to change the EU is to vote to go.
That has been seen by some as a nod to the possibility of a second referendum if a leave vote prompted the EU to offer a new deal - something No 10 has firmly dismissed.