Blackquill
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They can teleport everywhere on the map, and move then attack on the same turn
This is bullshit
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Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia Review Thread
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They can teleport everywhere on the map, and move then attack on the same turn
This is bullshit
BRSxIgnition
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Oh damn - guess they've got my purchase then.
SmackAttack
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SUPER excited to pick this up on Friday.
Xenoflare
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I'm with DecoReturns here.
I actively avoided S supports in Fates because I could not stomach the outrealms BS and it deserves to be shunned, Corrin is also the one of the most insufferable MC in the games I played, the gameplay of Fates carried the entire game
Sure, it's "optional" but in terms of Conquest I'm basically arbitrarily putting a limit on the EXP gains, and I did not buy the EXP dlc
I have the LE of this coming via Amazon on Friday. I have heard the criticisms of the original, and it is kind of disappointing the map design didn't really change. However so much about this game looks excellent. I particularly love the art style, and it's probably my favorite the series has had yet. I would be totally okay with FE sticking with that art style.
Basically, in this case it does come down to what you value more in a game, presentation (graphical design, story, characters, etc.) or gameplay (map design, game flow, etc.).
BRSxIgnition
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Really hoping FE on Switch has both. I'd love to see this artist do the Switch title as well. (Oh, and full voice acting again, please.)
It is a weird thing for the series where in recent years it seems when we get a Fire Emblem, it's either good presentation or gameplay, with a pendulum swinging between either one.
To me it is disappointing with Echoes' great presentation, they didn't bother using some of the Conquest design to make any updates to what is literally some of the most worst maps in Fire Emblem. I don't believe that remakes should keep what was so heavily flawed from the original to be "faithful" to it, but I do understand that this is mostly just one last effort to milk off the 3DS engine before the Switch game next year, so I guess making new maps wasn't high on the priority list.
To me it is disappointing with Echoes' great presentation, they didn't bother using some of the Conquest design to make any updates to what is literally some of the most worst maps in Fire Emblem. I don't believe that remakes should keep what was so heavily flawed from the original to be "faithful" to it, but I do understand that this is mostly just one last effort to milk off the 3DS engine before the Switch game next year, so I guess making new maps wasn't high on the priority list.
BRSxIgnition
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That said, I do like the choreography & style of the battles now. I remember being so impressed by Awakening's animations after Path of Radiance, and they've only gotten better from there.
I really hope they keep that style for the Switch title.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
This is literally for people who got into awakening and fates to go back and play THE old games in a more modern style
BRSxIgnition
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It's already $220+ CDN on Amazon.ca from scalpers.
LQX
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Probably not as I can see them releasing the book stand alone in the future.
mullet2000
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It'll be bad but Fates was particularly bad because it was the only way to get a physical copy of Revelations.
DecoReturns
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Read most reviews.
Seems like a great game, just different then the last two that people became accustomed too.
Good story and characters as well. Sounds great honestly. I could use a better story after the last two games, even at the price of gameplay Conquest offered.
Excited to see what a Switch FE will be.
Seems like a great game, just different then the last two that people became accustomed too.
Good story and characters as well. Sounds great honestly. I could use a better story after the last two games, even at the price of gameplay Conquest offered.
Excited to see what a Switch FE will be.
BRSxIgnition
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Does anyone know approximately how long this game is? Howlongtobeat doesn't have any info on it yet.
Nobody should, because the game has the best girl in it:
Nobody should, because the game has the best girl in it:
I agree. Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn aren't particularly special fire emblems in the grand scheme of things, I just have a soft spot for them because they hit at the right time.
tauroxd
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I like a lot the new artist, but I LOVE Yūsuke Kozaki art a lot and it made me sad that this was not also done by him
Literally nobody in this thread has said that without really obviously signalling their sarcasm.
It's cool, though. I know there's a lot of Fire Emblem Old Boys Club circlejerking to sift through, so it can be tough to tell.
EndlessSky
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Does anyone know how does the difficulty compare in this game? Is lunatic available from the start, and if so, how does it compare to conquest and birthright's lunatics?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I got the limited edition on tabs ready to hold that thang
There's no lunatic in this game, only normal and hard, at least available right now. Apparently there were game files referring to lunatic, so either it is coming as DLC or was something that was scrapped.
In terms of difficulty, people say that due to the garbage map design, all difficulty comes from enemy bulk and strength, which can be circumvented with grinding, but the post-game apparently takes this to a whole new level.
It could have been worse. The poster might have said tents!
Dark_castle
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PoR had good map design, RD had best map design. God do I loved those defend chapters. <3 Elincia's Gambit.
As the NES games are the ones I've never seriously played for more than two hours, I'm basically going in blind.
Can't wait!
Here's hoping it rekindles my love for this series. I had to drop Fates after barely a dozen chapters because I just couldn't bear the inanity of its characters.
Can't wait!
Here's hoping it rekindles my love for this series. I had to drop Fates after barely a dozen chapters because I just couldn't bear the inanity of its characters.
clay_ghost
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At this point Nintendo can take a chance with a M rating FE game as long as FE heros continue to make banks.(Genealogy spoilers)
Why shouldn't it have been in the game? Of all FE games Genealogy is the one that actually handles incest seriously and doesn't play it up as a fetish. At any case I don't think either IS or Nintendo have much of an issue with the subject considering Fates.
I don't think there's anything in Genealogy that should make them hesitate on a remake. The game handles some dark subject matters, but nothing that they can't get away with in a T rated game. As for the developers not wanting to kill off characters, I like to believe they still have it in them to keep characters dead, specially since Emmerin was just a streetpass thing and in my mind her coming back isn't canon since it's not part of the main game
I think the biggest problem might actually be the child hunts but Genealogy doesn't really dwelve into it that much so it shouldn't be an issue.
Dark_castle
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I think most people acknowledge that Conquest had great gameplay, but because the story is so god awful it drags the whole thing down, not to mention all the atrocious fanservice crap. A solid B-.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Don't really care about no Avatar thingie, but please tell me we can still play matchmaking between characters with Support convos right?
Thinking of buying a 3ds/2ds for this.
Edit: Just read Gamespot's review; meh, no stuff like that, I guess? Support convos are the biggest reason why I buy Fire Emblem games, tbh...
Thinking of buying a 3ds/2ds for this.
Edit: Just read Gamespot's review; meh, no stuff like that, I guess? Support convos are the biggest reason why I buy Fire Emblem games, tbh...
BRSxIgnition
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No matchmaking, though support conversations still exist to flesh out backstories and relationships.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
No choosing, for example, which characters I want to have the best relationship with with a particular character? What I mean is, is it just one support for each character or there are multiples that I can choose?
Community Forum
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Mine shipped from Amazon US today. Hngggggggg!
BRSxIgnition
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You can decide which to prioritize and to what extent, but there are no romances or marriage or children.
Riposte
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Can you really say a Gaiden remake is a return to the classic style?
I question the value of SRPG reviews when bad tactical maps isn't a big deal.
Astral Dog
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Awakening had amazing presentation and simple but effective systems it made the others feel outdated imo
How many hours did it take you?
In terms of gameplay, eaaaasily worse. Gaiden maps are pretty laughable, and I can't believe they kept them exactly the same.
Something as insignificant as changing a win objective from rout to seize would have made a fair few of them way less annoying.
I like a lot the new artist, but I LOVE Yūsuke Kozaki art a lot and it made me sad that this was not also done by him
Yūsuke Kozaki was good to with the exception of the toilet bowl knights wihch slighly improve in fates. We went from they epic shit on the GBA and DS games to something so laughable.
DecoReturns
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Funny, My order from Amazon just shipped.
They never ship until the day before release.
They never ship until the day before release.
Mine hasn't, but says it is expected to ship the 17th
AlexFlame116
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Wait I'm confused. Why are people saying that there are no waifus? Also, is that a bad thing?
Also I just realized that I have two preorders of this and they're both ready to ship out. One from GameStop which I COMPLETELY forgot about until I saw the charge on my bank account. The other one from Amazon.
Uh oh.
Same here. Order info says "Preparing to Ship".
Also I just realized that I have two preorders of this and they're both ready to ship out. One from GameStop which I COMPLETELY forgot about until I saw the charge on my bank account. The other one from Amazon.
Uh oh.
And I don't think that's even Kozaki's fault. I recall reading somewhere that the armor designer wanted it to look like that.
Of course there are waifus. You just can't marry any of them yourself.
I guess it would be a bad thing if that's something you liked to do in the previous games when you paired your team off.
Armour and weapon design are credited to the art director, not Kozaki himself. Kozaki was responsible for the character art and designs otherwise.
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