Yup. Same boat as you. I love this.As a 1080p TV only owner...
Downsampled Horizon sounds so damn good.
Seems like the price of Pro justified right there for me.
Yup. Same boat as you. I love this.As a 1080p TV only owner...
Downsampled Horizon sounds so damn good.
Seems like the price of Pro justified right there for me.
It depends on the developer. What else do you expect generally? Better graphics are only available to a point. Horizon was built specifically for PS4, so they aren't going to have significantly better assets ready to put into the game like a PC game would, their development pipeline isn't built like that.
DerZuhälter;222436007 said:The 1080p enhancements are not worth an upgrade from my base PS4. Paragon will be the exception it seems, if not even Sony's 1st party is doing more than the bare minimum.
DerZuhälter;222436007 said:The 1080p enhancements are not worth an upgrade from my base PS4. Paragon will be the exception it seems, if not even Sony's 1st party is doing more than the bare minimum.
I hear ya, that's just not a hot selling point, you know? Like, all I see here is "for an extra $399, it'll look a little nicer."
Which, to be fair, isn't specific to this game. It's a selling problem I have with the Pro in general.
I hear ya, that's just not a hot selling point, you know? Like, all I see here is "for an extra $399, it'll look a little nicer."
Which, to be fair, isn't specific to this game. It's a selling problem I have with the Pro in general.
Too bad the improvements seem to be all aimed at improving the IQ instead of performance. But that is to be expected I guess.
To summarize
Standard 1080p
- Supersampling means virtually no jaggies
- Better shadow maps
- Better AF
PS4 Pro
- 2160p Checkboard rendering to 4K
We’re also looking at enhancing the quality of our shadow maps and increasing the quality of our anisotropic filtering. This is a technique which increases the quality of texture sampling, resulting in more detailed environment textures. We still have to tweak these elements of the 1080p output quality for the final game, but we have quite a bit of power yet to play with.
Exactly, and also since there was no mention of it the ps4 pro version (either in 4k mode or 1080p mode) will have better textures thanks to half a gig of extra ram. Some pro games have pc equivalent of Ultra textures. This is huge.Performance will be improved, the upclocked CPU won't sit there doing nothing of course, just don't expect super dramatic doubling of FPS.
No enhancements for 1080p other than a sharper looking game? Glad I canceled that preorder. Incredibly underhwleming.
No enhancements for 1080p other than a sharper looking game? Glad I canceled that preorder. Incredibly underhwleming.
*Edit. The preorder was for the PS4 Pro. I'm still buying Horizon.
That will be the automatic effect in all games that don't provide a specific 1080p mode.
When the game is rendered in above 1080p resolution, but played on a 1080p TV, the IQ will benefit tremendously from the downsampling.
So do Sony care about 1080p Pro users? If they don't, they need to say this is not for you and you should not have any expectations.To summarize
Standard 1080p
- Supersampling means virtually no jaggies
- Better shadow maps
- Better AF
PS4 Pro
- 2160p Checkboard rendering to 4K
No enhancements for 1080p other than a sharper looking game? Glad I canceled that preorder. Incredibly underhwleming.
*Edit. The preorder was for the PS4 Pro. I'm still buying Horizon.
Is there confirmation for this? That's the big deal for me.
Damn, that original PS4 must've sucked. Glad I didn't buy one.
As a 1080p TV only owner...
Downsampled Horizon sounds so damn good.
Seems like the price of Pro justified right there for me.
Is it a 4K tv? If not you don't have it. Otherwise grab the model and google search.,How can I tell if my HDTV is HDR compatible? That wasn't a criteria for when I bought it, not sure if it has it or not.
Don't forget about that sweet sweet 5ghz wireless n.Yeah, agreed. Some get hung up on native resolution, which is important, but fails to capture relation between screen size.
This tv gen a lot of people went from a 1080 55" tv to a 4K 55" tv.
Any increase beyond 1080 is really packing in a lot proportionate to the screen size.
This confuses some because last gen people were disappointed with 720 performance on 55" forgetting that it was a res more suited to earlier 27" LCDs.
Huge difference in proportion.
Bottom line, if 1080 looks great to you on a 55-65" tv, as it is, then don't expect disappointment with <4K but >1080 res. Quite the opposite.
Factoring in the other benefits, it's even "less" than $100, like a 1tb drive. A third USB is massively appreciated too.
What? It says right there in the blog post they're rendering checkerboard 2160p, not 1800p.Also, i guess this means 1800p to 4K TV checkerboard and 1800p to 1080p tv downsampled confirmed. 1800p is likely going to be the main res for developers on Pro unless stated otherwise really.
Yeah it's really not that incentivizing even with a 4K HDR TV. Unless the performance on OG PS4 is an absolute clusterfuck but I certainly hope not...DerZuhälter;222436007 said:The 1080p enhancements are not worth an upgrade from my base PS4. Paragon will be the exception it seems, if not even Sony's 1st party is doing more than the bare minimum.
For 1080p users, we don't know if Pro's using AMD's VSR or some other downsampling process but image quality shouldn't differ too much from this:
[for this I simply applied a .5px radius gaussian blur + bilinear resampling to the 2160p screenshot in Photoshop CC]
Super clean, smooth 'bullshot' image quality.
What? It says right there in the blog post they're rendering checkerboard 2160p, not 1800p.
Pixel-peeping the 2160p Horizon screenshots you can see they have res sharpness without an extra upscaling step, but a slight pixel fluffiness on contrasting edges from the checkerboarding, but this isn't visible on my 2160p monitor unless I put my face right up to the screen. From my normal UHD TV viewing distance it looks like perfect 4K, far sharper than any UHD video content available.
Days Gone doesn't even have the checkerboard 'fluff' artefacts when inspected closely.
What? It says right there in the blog post they're rendering checkerboard 2160p, not 1800p.
Checkerboard 2160p is 'near 4K' there's no mention of 1800p whatsoever.It says checkerboarding from 'near 4K' resolution. Aka 1800p checkerboarding to a 4K pixel ratio.
Maybe answered somewhere, could I choose to play the game with 1080 enhancements on a 4K TV instead of the 4K enhancements?
The Pro has pretty much convinced me to get a new TV
I'm looking at the Samsung UN40KU7000, hopefully it'll do the trick
Sorry I'm bad at this but what's better for pro a 4K TV with HDR or a 1080p display?
You are mixing up what they wrote about 4K and 1080p modes.It says checkerboarding from 'near 4K' resolution. Aka 1800p checkerboarding to a 4K pixel ratio.
1080p would have better graphics effects, 4K would have better iq due to near 4K resolution and HDR for this game. They both have their benefits. Everybody winsSorry I'm bad at this but what's better for pro a 4K TV with HDR or a 1080p display?