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[Paskil]

lol@first post. What a fucking joke. All emails have been shown to be classified after the fact. The immunity for the witness is because he refused to answer any questions. Keep looking for that smoking gun Republicans and Berniebros. You should all be sure to coordinate with Mr. Ben Ghazi since he's like a day away from jailing Hillary.

 

[ant_]

Bernie bros eagerly perpetuating rightwing hit jobs on Hillary is unsurprising but still sad to witness.

I think that every day Bernie remains in the race he does real damage to the party and the country because of shit like this.

How dare people have different opinions.

 

[Honey Bunny]

can't pillory the hillary
can't intern the clintern

 

[Pastry]

I thought the email smear campaign was over, guess I was wrong lol

 

[Hazmat]

Giving this guy immunity seems like a pretty standard move. It doesn't mean that now he's free to give slam-dunk testimony against the Butcher of Benghazi without fear incriminating himself, it means that he isn't the focus of the investigation.

Clinton isn't going down over an email server.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I'm more afraid of the use of this against her by the right in the GE, than anything else. This thing needs to be settled soon so she doesn't have it lingering over her. The right must not win the GE. The SC alone are stakes like we haven't seen in a long time.

 

[noshten]

If you think Trump if the nominee won't throw Rice and Powell under the bus if it's politically convienient - you are kidding yourself, whatever means are necessary will be used in the GE. Either by Trump or Cruz, they've already proven they don't give a sh*t. In fact Trump will likely use this to show how the "Establishment" both GOP and Dems protect their own - even at the risk of American soldiers.
The GE is going to be a clusterfuck of SPIN and that type of clusterfuck really helps Trump.

 

[Crisco]

It's hilarious watching Trump voters and Bernie-stans unite on this issue. Just shows the sheer intellectual dishonesty shared by the fringe of both parties. To indict Clinton, you have to show that she "mishandled" classified information to the point of illegal negligence. This was an email server setup by and accordance with State Department policy for the SoS's official government use. Why do you think we've now gotten to the point of pouring over individual emails searching for some phantom smoking gun? Opponents of HRC's Presidential campaign are attempting a hail mary, nothing more.

 

[dLMN8R]

It sure would be nice if liberals could learn as much about Hillary from her actual votes and accomplishments as they do from Republican propaganda sources.

 

[Neoweee]

I'm more afraid of the use of this against her by the right in the GE, than anything else. This thing needs to be settled soon so she doesn't have it lingering over her. The right must not win the GE. The SC alone are stakes like we haven't seen in a long time.

It can be dragged out as long as people want, just like the Benghazi hearings were reconvened and dragged out for years for the sake of hurting Hillary's poll numbers. It's not going to go away.

 

[Jackbooted]

No evidence of hacking in security logs from the server...

This whole investigation has been really long winded.

 

[wildfire]

Does the justice department typically grant immunity to those suspected of crimes if they didn't expect to find any criminal behavior and/or actions?

No.

It's obvious someone is going to be nailed to the cross. If it is Hillary I'll be shocked. Thankfully Sanders is a viable alternative.

 

[wildfire]

Dammit, I am already rooting for Trump if Bernie loses the nom, don't make me vote for him too.

Shady as fuck.

Why do you find Trump appealing?

 

[dLMN8R]

I simply cannot begin to empathize with a Sanders supporter who would vote for Trump instead of Clinton in the general election.

It's just by far the most incredibly illogical, fundamentally stupid, and dangerous things you can possibly do.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I simply cannot begin to empathize with a Sanders supporter who would vote for Trump instead of Clinton in the general election.

It's just by far the most incredibly illogical, fundamentally stupid, and dangerous things you can possibly do.

I pity them tbh.

 

[Team Alucard]

Hillary supporters completely miss the point about the e-mails, and Benghazi for that matter. It doesn't matter that its a bullshit manufactured scandal, its still going to resonate with voters. It has already had a major visible impact on her favorability ratings.

Willie Horton was bullshit.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was bullshit

The truth ultimately didn't do jack-shit to prevent either smear campaign from costing Dukakis and Kerry the election(s).

 

[balladofwindfishes]

No.

It's obvious someone is going to be nailed to the cross. If it is Hillary I'll be shocked. Thankfully Sanders is a viable alternative.

If something were going to be pinned on Hillary, she wouldn't have ran.

Do you think her and the DNC are so incompetent that they didn't go through every little detail with a fine toothed comb and consult lots of high quality legal counsel before deciding to run?

 

[Macho Madness]

If anything comes out of this investigation, I am telling you that her being the one punished is the least likely scenario.

 

[Matt_]

No.

It's obvious someone is going to be nailed to the cross. If it is Hillary I'll be shocked. Thankfully Sanders is a viable alternative.

Mr. Pagliano, who last year invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to testify before Congress, cooperated with the F.B.I. under a limited immunity deal. Limited immunity, which means that prosecutors may not use Mr. Pagliano’s words against him, is a far more narrow agreement than what is commonly known as “blanket immunity,” in which the government promises not to prosecute someone for crimes.

Mark MacDougall, Mr. Pagliano’s lawyer, said in an email that the limited immunity deal allowed his client to answer specific questions from investigators freely. “That’s all there is to it,” Mr. MacDougall said in an email. “Every citizen has that right. The government has the authority to grant immunity in order to obtain answers. In this case, they exercised that authority, we reached an agreement, and Bryan answered the questions.”

It is common for lawyers to request — and receive — such deals before allowing their clients to cooperate. Independent lawyers say that is true even in cases in which witnesses have nothing to hide.

“Any good lawyer is going to say ‘I want immunity before I talk,’” said Barbara Van Gelder, a Washington lawyer with the firm Cozen O’Connor, who has represented numerous witnesses in high-profile congressional and Justice Department investigations. “Just because someone gets immunity isn’t indicative of guilt. It’s just protection.”

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[WaffleTaco]

Hillary supporters completely miss the point about the e-mails, and Benghazi for that matter. It doesn't matter that its a bullshit manufactured scandal, its still going to resonate with voters. It has already had a major visible impact on her favorability ratings.

Willie Horton was bullshit.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was bullshit

The truth ultimately didn't do jack-shit to prevent either smear campaign from costing Dukakis and Kerry the election(s).

Except it does not matter...if/when Trump is the nominee...it will again not matter. Electorally it is almost impossible for a Republicans to win. Hillary has very high favorability among Democrats. Democrats are most likely going to vote alongside the same patterns they did in 2012. Trump is also very high unfavorability ratings among republicans...except for his supporters. The only thing that could change the election is some type of black swan event (akin to 9/11, economy crashing) or Hillary is actually indicted for the emails(unlikely). It is over, everything else is merely a formality.

 

[Netherscourge]

What would happen if she were to be indicted during the campaign?

Ladies and gentleman, please rise for... President Trump.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

I'm more afraid of the use of this against her by the right in the GE, than anything else. This thing needs to be settled soon so she doesn't have it lingering over her. The right must not win the GE. The SC alone are stakes like we haven't seen in a long time.

Bernie bros eagerly perpetuating rightwing hit jobs on Hillary is unsurprising but still sad to witness.

I think that every day Bernie remains in the race he does real damage to the party and the country because of shit like this.

This is the exact opposite of reality. Imagine if she went into the general pristine, and then Trump had the opportunity to bring up all these manufactured scandals with his brand of spin and emphasis. The more she goes through this stuff now, and the more public it is, the less ammunition he'll have against her later on.

 

[Team Alucard]

Except it does not matter...if/when Trump is the nominee...it will again not matter. Electorally it is almost impossible for a Republicans to win. Hillary has very high favorability among Democrats. Democrats are most likely going to vote alongside the same patterns they did in 2012. Trump is also very high unfavorability ratings among republicans...except for his supporters. The only thing that could change the election is some type of black swan event (akin to 9/11, economy crashing) or Hillary is actually indicted for the emails(unlikely). It is over, everything else is merely a formality.

I agree that she'll beat Trump. But that's because Trump is a disaster, its not a testament to Hillary's strength as a candidate.

I just don't like how people just brush off the e-mail controversy as ''no big deal'', because if the GOP had managed to nominate anyone remotely competent it would be a huge deal. She's extremely fortunate that the person she will be running against is universally loathed by almost everyone.

Honestly, 2012 Mitt Romney would have crushed Hillary.

 

[boiled goose]

This is the exact opposite of reality. Imagine if she went into the general pristine, and then Trump had the opportunity to bring up all these manufactured scandals with his brand of spin and emphasis. The more she goes through this stuff now, and the more public it is, the less ammunition he'll have against her later on.

Yup. You want progressive points in the media too. It will keep drawing a sharp contrast with republicans.
Any issues with Hillary have to be addressed NOW, not when it is risky in the general.

 

[border]

This is the exact opposite of reality. Imagine if she went into the general pristine, and then Trump had the opportunity to bring up all these manufactured scandals with his brand of spin and emphasis. The more she goes through this stuff now, and the more public it is, the less ammunition he'll have against her later on.

I think there's a 100% likelihood of Trump bringing up all of this stuff and more. He was talking about Monica Lewinsky in veiled terms in yesterday's press conference.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

This is the exact opposite of reality. Imagine if she went into the general pristine, and then Trump had the opportunity to bring up all these manufactured scandals with his brand of spin and emphasis. The more she goes through this stuff now, and the more public it is, the less ammunition he'll have against her later on.

By then there's every possibility that this investigation or inquiry will have been concluded.

 

[GaimeGuy]

What's missing is that the practice was common for previous SoS, both Rice and Powell had equivalent setups. Hell I believe they both used commercial private accounts.

And none of the emails sent to Clinton were classified at the time, iirc.


There have been more inquiries into brnghazi and Hillary's emails than Watergate and 9/11

 

[Earthstrike]

I'm sick of people being apologists for this shit. I work in government, EVERYONE knows you can't do this. If I sent my work to my home address, I'd be fired on the spot and it's not even highly classified, just sensitive.

It doesn't matter if you're a "Bernie bro" or a Hillary supporter. This is at worst a felony, at best the sort of conduct that should disqualify you from having any further involvement with matters of national security.

If you think otherwise (or at least pretend to) I don't even know what to say to you.

If this is true, how come it wasn't an issue for every previous SOS? So you really think all the employees of the FBI, CIA, and government just went "Whoops, we're a bunch of morons that didn't know about this for decades!"

 

[dLMN8R]

I like Bernie Sanders. I'd happily vote for him in the general election. But I do think Clinton is the overall better candidate.

But regardless of that, the fact that some Sanders supporters happily regurgitate any Republican propaganda about Clinton is pretty shitty.

 

[Ray Down]

And none of the emails sent to Clinton were classified at the time, iirc.


There have been more inquiries into brnghazi and Hillary's emails than Watergate and 9/11

Yep, to me it just reeks of Republicans trying to use this to weaken her.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1118658

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=937570&page=1

 

[kirblar]

Yep, to me it just reeks of Republicans trying to use this to weaken her.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1118658

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=937570&page=1

Kids who weren't paying attention/old enough to pay attention in the '90s don't understand what older voters do- this is nothing new and its just another in a 25+ year line of GOP attacks.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I think if there was something there Biden would already be running.

Still this is going to do nothing to help her even if she avoids jail.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I think if there was something there Biden would already be running.

Still this is going to do nothing to help her even if she avoids jail.

I'm almost positive Biden was ready to go at a moment's notice if there was actually something damning in the emails.

This was all calculated by the DNC and Hillary. They knew what was there, they knew the reception it would get, and decided to go ahead anyway. They wouldn't have did that if there were any legal problems that would arise.