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Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2015 (Mar 16 - Mar 22)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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In which case I still don't get it. FFXV can expand the userbase massively on its own + it's not releasing anytime soon
Would it be fair to say that PS4 will be approaching 3 million solid (or at least be well over 2 million) by the time XV releases or is that too much?
*If it releases in 2016
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Ummm. I can't remember but how much does FF 13 sells on PS3 and of course on bigger console base number?
I remember PS3 had terrible time on selling huge number of software vs DS,Wii and PSP that time.
depends when FFXV releases, if it release till March 2016 (i think it will) than i think the max base will be 2.2 - 2.5 mil (depends on the Season).
It´s a very often mentioned excuse that the Japanese sales don´t matter that much since Japanese games will be saved by western sales on PS4. Don´t know how anyone can make such statements with a straight face, when even western focused studios are downsizing alot due to far less optimistic expectations, one of the recent ones beeing Codemaster.
It´s also quite ironic that Sony themselves have been one of the most prolific ones in this matter in the generational transition, despite PS4 sales performance, beeing the complete shut-down of Studio Liverpool or the most recent firing of half of the Evolution Studio employees. But "of course all the Japanese games will see a huge increase in popularity in the West just by releasing on PS4".
Too bad this thread turned into fanfiction.
It´s also quite ironic that Sony themselves have been one of the most prolific ones in this matter in the generational transition, despite PS4 sales performance, beeing the complete shut-down of Studio Liverpool or the most recent firing of half of the Evolution Studio employees. But "of course all the Japanese games will see a huge increase in popularity in the West just by releasing on PS4".
Too bad this thread turned into fanfiction.
That and I'm thinking that Final Fantasy as a series is declining too (hard to say with the outstanding numbers that PS4 is doing in the West but I think that FFXV WW numbers will be lower than FF XIII WW numbers).
You know it was perfect, don't need to get upset (always with love <3)
Astral Dog
Member
Yay, im not sure about those Type 0 sales, but Revelations 2 seems to be doing well across both systems.
theprodigy
Member
ha, the troll bait worked! nice job
Moor-Angol
Banned
3mln userbase is not enough for 1,5mln sw sales, it should be a 1:2 ratio, something that rarely happened as far as I can remember
FYI FF13 opened at 1,5mln while PS3 was at 4mln
FYI FF13 opened at 1,5mln while PS3 was at 4mln
Welfare
Member
Good one.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
FF13's sequels mean jack shit since they're relative to how people liked FFXIII. The general consensus is that it's either the worst or one of the worst Final Fantasy games that were made. It's not just FFX, FFXII is the 4th best selling Final Fantasy, 9 years ago. Way to conveniently ignore that fact. All you're doing is grasping at small straws like FFXIII and its sequels. The game wasn't that good and it didn't sell well. That's not relative to the series selling worse but a game sucking and it selling poorly because of it. FFX remaster again has sold more than any jRPG remaster ever made. FFXIV has sold better than FFXI that released on the PS2.
Your only example at FF losing its magic is FFXIII that is known to be an inferior game to other mainline FF games which is a pretty horrible example.
Your point about the change in style/gameplay alienating jRPG fans might be right, but we disagree here.
Certainly around 3m I'd say. FFXV probably ain't releasing until next year.
The game will then boost PS4 by over 200k on its own imo.
The Last One
Member
Are you trying to get a tag or something?
Well, most maybe 1 million on first week? and then slowly growing. How much does FF 13 end up there?
Are we only talking about the opening week here?
I can see FFXV selling 1.1m+ FW and legging it to 1.5m+ lifetime.
1.8mil?
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Some people are in their own little bubble, ie looking at gaf/video game forum hype and basing things off there. It happens on gaf all the time.
Around 1.9m, despite crappy word of mouth.
If FFXV is actually very good it can have better legs.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i think it was available for download before the retail release. Its anyone's guess how much the download version sold though.
I dont know about a huge increase in popularity, but many japanese games are being localized, so i guess many publishers sees it as being worth the effort at least.
Studio Liverpool was closed in August 2012 by the way, over a year before the launch of PS4, so its not related to the PS4. It was rumored that they were working on some PS4 games, but its not related to PS4 sales. They most likely got shut down because Sony didnt believe in the commercial success of their product, if i should guess. This is something that can happen at any time regardless of platform or how succesful it is.
KillerMan91
Member
Well of course it always depends on the game. Of course all games don't benefit enough from the success of PS4 in west to make up their lost Japanese sales (compared to situation that they would be on other platforms) but some like MGS and RE would be made for PS4 (and Xbone) even if both would sell 0 units in Japan. Sony is also probably axing their underperforming studios exactly because how well PS4 is doing. Last gen they needed to create all possible extra value for PS3 because it was lagging behind competition and multiplatform games generally helped more X360. Now even without zero first party games PS4 would be leading the market. They don't need games that barely make money anymore.
Final Fantasy 1st week % of LTD (Famitsu)
PS1 FFVII - 62.1%
PS1 FFVIII - 71.5%
PS1 FFIX - 72.2%
PS2 FFX - 75.3%
PS2 FFXII - 79.2%
PS3 FFXIII - 79.6%
FFXV selling 1.1m first week and 1.5m LTD would be 73.3%, i.e. best legs since FFIX.
FF legs are not particularly determined by how good it is. They're determined by how fast it can be beaten, sold back to stores, and then used sales truncate new sales. Fighting against the used market in Japan is a big deal.
Well I did say 1.1m+. I think it can sell 1.1m minimum FW. Let's say it did 1.2m, as an example, that should make 1.5m+ pretty easy (80% FW).
The Last One
Member
I'm kind worried actually. FFXV really has a big chance in selling less than the previous entries, I wonder by how mucb though. Hope it's not THAT less.
Yeah, 1.5m is completely reasonable. It follows the general trend of FF games selling less each time, and a 1.2/1.5 1st week/LTD split also fits the trend. It's, of course, also possible for this FF to buck the trend of the FF games getting lower LTDs with higher 1st week %s. It's just that FF hasn't been one to buck trends for a while. If the series wants to continue long-term, it's going to have to expand outside of its currently decreasing niche, though.
Edit:
If the series shifts to a more Western focus, though, and sees growth there, then the decreasing Japanese sales may not be a big issue to S-E. *shrugs*
ArchedThunder
Banned
It will in Japan, that's for sure. That's just the nature of the market over there right now. Worldwide it will be a success, probably in the 6 million range, maybe higher if it is super well received and has great word of mouth.
The Last One
Member
Yep, I'm talking about Japan. Worldwide I think it has good chances in selling more than XIII.
Whatever your impression of how well FF sold this week, packaging the demo with it was a pretty terrible idea. Remaking a mainline entry with special packaging and the demo for PS4 could have been a real hit that got a larger number of people excited for the forthcoming game and the series in general. Huge missed opportunity.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
This is my opinion as well. No way it can outsell XIII in Japan, with the state of the market. And at best FFXV launches to an install base of 3million, while FFXIII launched to an install base of 4 million, in a healthier market.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Type 0 will do well in the West. SE probably wants to sell that as well as a HD remaster separately to make more money, instead of putting the two together.
I doubt there will be such a big difference for specific Japanese games with distinctive Japanes style in the Western markets on PS4 compared to the PS3. I would even go as far as to say that due to the very strong market and marketing push for almost a complete generation in favour of west styled games the general appeal for Japanese sytle games actually decreased over time, I´m not tallking about Japanese games with more western influenced themes/aestetics like Metal Gear or Resident Evil.
There is a market but besides established IPs or something aimed to a large demographic and kidfriendly, it´s mostly reduced to a niche that mostly appeals to nostalgia and people that dream about the good old times and an eldorado of JRPGs for example. While these kind of games were very looked after by the general gamer in past generations, nowadays it´s mostly just people that started to enjoy this kind of games 10+ years ago that actually are looking after these games, while less old people most of the time couldn´t care less or even know about this stuff, due to the dominance of western culture and western publishers.
That´s why I find it always amusing when PS4 is classified as the saviour of Japanese styled games (like JRPGs) due to western sales, especially considering that so far we haven´t seen anything new going beyond the niche status, if it isn´t an already established IP.
There is a market but besides established IPs or something aimed to a large demographic and kidfriendly, it´s mostly reduced to a niche that mostly appeals to nostalgia and people that dream about the good old times and an eldorado of JRPGs for example. While these kind of games were very looked after by the general gamer in past generations, nowadays it´s mostly just people that started to enjoy this kind of games 10+ years ago that actually are looking after these games, while less old people most of the time couldn´t care less or even know about this stuff, due to the dominance of western culture and western publishers.
That´s why I find it always amusing when PS4 is classified as the saviour of Japanese styled games (like JRPGs) due to western sales, especially considering that so far we haven´t seen anything new going beyond the niche status, if it isn´t an already established IP.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Noctis should get bald and have a beard that grows dynamically throughout the game. They should also add the option to manage relationships with the lead females and NPCs like in Mass Effect and Witcher.
Noctis x Cindy should be a hit.
I disagree. When I see people like Jeff Gerstmann interested in FFXV, it must be doing something right in that regards. The main cast, setting and battle system seem very much like they would appeal to non-JRPG fans. Well, maybe minus the main cast.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Your performance in this thread is hilarious.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
DBZ XV had a better debut than previous DBZ games on PS360 despite the install base differential. Though its hard to say if the PS4's popularity was a substantial reason (your conclusion, while not surprising, is premature) or other factors as I hear many people saying that its the best DBZ they have seen/played.
All in all, PS4's popularity and success in the West can only be seen as a positive.
Dragon Ball Xenoverse is a cross-gen title also available on X360 and PS3 and Dragon Ball clearly falls into the kid-friendly and established IP category. It also benefits for beeing the first DB entry on the next gen system, novelty effect.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Novelty effect didn't work last gen so why did it work now. If you looke dat the charts the next gen versions dominated sales, on EU, this meant PS4.
FFXIII LTD ~ FFXII FW
FFXIV LTD ~ FFXIII FW (?)
It can happen, history repeats many times.
In the 90s the top of RPGs were ~30m selling Pokémon games.
KillerMan91
Member
sörine;157432855 said:
Completely forgot about Pokemon lol. Well lets say top on home consoles.
Katana_Strikes
Member
So less than 2,600 copies of FFT0 XBone sold, which is a massive bomba, but of course not unexpected. Though on MC's tracker it looks to have halted the sales decline of the hardware 
Also no sign of RE or BFH games on the format (if they got released at all that is), nor helping the system move units in any way. I wonder if these "hits" will pave the way for third parties to just not bother at all with the system going forward in Japan. Seems only exclusives will have any impact for the Xbox but even then we are looking minimal sales in the low thousands.
Also no sign of RE or BFH games on the format (if they got released at all that is), nor helping the system move units in any way. I wonder if these "hits" will pave the way for third parties to just not bother at all with the system going forward in Japan. Seems only exclusives will have any impact for the Xbox but even then we are looking minimal sales in the low thousands.
So less than 2,600 copies of FFT0 XBone sold, which is a massive bomba, but of course not unexpected. Though on MC's tracker it looks to have halted the sales decline of the hardware
Also no sign of RE or BFH games on the format (if they got released at all that is), nor helping the system move units in any way. I wonder if these "hits" will pave the way for third parties to just not bother at all with the system going forward in Japan. Seems only exclusives will have any impact for the Xbox but even then we are looking minimal sales in the low thousands.
Nothing could save the Xbox One in Japan.
The only major Japanese exclusive is Scalebound, which is a Platinum game and will therefore automatically bomba anyway.
No reason to cherrypick and mix in misinformation, the information was about all skus combined sales and also only about the debut in UK and not EU, there was nothing in the comment that implied something different, we neither have any idea of actual lifetime sales nor numbers of its debut. We don´t have any concrete information about previous sales performances of DB games in UK, so it´s rather pointless to begin with. Also I´m talking about the western market as a whole and made it quite clear that there is a difference between new IPs and established kid-friendly IPs and Dragon Ball is one that definetely reached mainstream appeal in the West.