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Conflict NZ said:
Wow, I don't know, just............words escape me.
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Official France Numbers for PS3 and Xbox 360
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Wow, I don't know, just............words escape me.
Bubblicious said:
Scanning the latest PAL thread, the top games seem to be pretty similar to the US, and pretty much everywhere we have data for outside of Japan. Assassins Creed, Call of Duty 4, Guitar Hero, Mario Galaxy, Wii/DS stuff. Hell, the best selling PS2 game in Spain is Smackdown vs. Raw 08, certainly no repudation of shitty American tastes. PS3 is still beating the 360 in parts of the continent due primarily to brand. The Wii is, of course, killing both of them
Conflict NZ said:
Xbox 360 not selling well in France = The French hate Americas? Where have I heard that before hmmmmmmm.
So what about Italy..........................and Portugal, Spain, Germany, the rest of Europe except the UK and Japan?
So so many countries hate America. Or, it could be that they prefer the Wii and PS3 instead.
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Mushashi said:
I think you probably answered your own question. It probably wasn't too much to Konami/EA not to have a PS3 version until late'07 with the system only launching in March. Plus they still had all the other platforms to profit from. With the PS3 out, the asking price for a PES/FIFA exclusive probably increased significantly.
Blimblim said:Both. It's not a good combination for the Xbox brand, that's for sure
So is this a brand issue or a game issue? In Japan I can see the Xbox games not appealing to the game masses. In Europe it seems that Sony's image is just stellar when compared to Microsofts.
Dash Kappei said:
It was always set to be.
It has nothing to do with them being American. Many American brands like Levi, Apple, Google etc are well received here because they represent quality unlike Microsoft.
In Europe the Microsoft brand is despised across all their product lines.
The HD-DVD, RROD and now Live disasters haven't done anything to improve that image.
Judging by PS3 software sales in the UK charts, it won't be long before it surpasses 360 here too.
All it needed was a more accessible price and that's what it got.
tjhooker said:
This is something that's not happening with Xbox in North America. Most people make a disconnect between the Window 95 Microsoft and the Xbox brand. The MS antitrust stories are long gone from our headlines.
The RROD is a PR disaster. But what's the Live and HD-DVD disaster your talking about?
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tjhooker said:
What? Are you saying Software on the PS3 is outselling software on the 360? You would be wrong.
Kill Your Masters
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Most people will play Fifa, NFS or GTA anyway, so thats not the real problem.ksamedi said:
Kill Your Masters
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Explain your logic please.tjhooker said:
360 Software > PS3 Software means 360 Hardware < PS3 Software.
Makes sense.
Kill Your Masters
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Sorry that I'm not stupid enough for ittjhooker said:
Thats why you should explain it.Barry Lightning
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Metalmurphy
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Couldn't agree more.Barry Lightning said:
Xisiqomelir
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Why is assumed xenophobia always the defense in these cases? Is it so very inconceivable that the product has little to no global appeal?
PistolGrip
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I think he means in relative terms from the advantage 360 had. 360 software sales should be absolutely crushing PS3 software sales but they are not. In some cases (fifa) Ps3 titles outsold their 360 counterpart for a week. 360 had two holiday season and 16 months head start but from looking at the sales you wouldnt think there was such a big gap.Flyguy said:
squatingyeti
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PistolGrip said:
Yeah, that means they're doing better. Also, since we DON'T get numbers for software, just a ranking, you don't know WHAT the gap is. However, if you look historically at the US, Japan, and the few weeks we ever get from PAL markets, you can get a fairly good idea of the statistical separation between #1-10 and the rest. If you actually do this, you saying "you wouldn't think there was such a big gap."becomes a little off.
The reason why "you wouldn't think" is because there's no numbers associated with the charts. However, the mere fact the 360 dominates the top 10 on a weekly basis (compared to PS3) shows just how much better its software is in fact selling.
Pretty damn good for the PS3, considering the 360 had more than a year head start, and the PS3 (from March 07) has basically already caught up. Further evidence that outside of the UK, Sony really is still Euro land and doing a lot better better than the 360. Well even in the UK, I suspect the PS3 is doing very well indeed. If you remember my thread a few days back, a source of mine in SCEE told me the PS3 LTD UK sales numbers were just shy of a million. Also, remember software sales from Germany and Sweden the last few months. With PS3 multiplatform game sales (AC and COD4) being comparable and sometimes even bettering 360 sales. Again, consider the 360 had over a year headstart, that shouldn't be the case at all, as the 360 should have had far more consoles (hence multiplatform software sales) in Germany and Sweden. Maybe the PS3 has caught up in LTD sales in those regions as well?
Anyway, good news for Sony.
I quoted my post from IGN.
Anyway, good news for Sony.
I quoted my post from IGN.
Beer Monkey
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PS3 has to start outselling 360 globally in order for us to achieve the desired outcome of having the two platforms finish the generation in a virtual dead heat. Ideally we get a full three-way tie but Nintendo is making that difficult. Hopefully this ends up being somewhat offset by weak Wii software sales (really, the true strength of a platform lies only in software sales and not in hardware sales at all).
If PS3 outsells 360 at a rate that will cause them to not catch up until at least xmas 2009, we're in pretty good shape, at least much better shape than last generation.
We being the multi-console future, fierce competition defense force. We will drink the tears of Jaffe and Dyack when three new consoles are eventually announced for next generation. And it will be delicious. I'm so fucking happy with this generation.
If PS3 outsells 360 at a rate that will cause them to not catch up until at least xmas 2009, we're in pretty good shape, at least much better shape than last generation.
We being the multi-console future, fierce competition defense force. We will drink the tears of Jaffe and Dyack when three new consoles are eventually announced for next generation. And it will be delicious. I'm so fucking happy with this generation.
beermonkey@tehbias said:PS3 has to start outselling 360 globally in order for us to achieve the desired outcome of having the two platforms finish the generation in a virtual dead heat. Ideally we get a full three-way tie but Nintendo is making that difficult. Hopefully this ends up being somewhat offset by weak Wii software sales (really, the true strength of a platform lies only in software sales and not in hardware sales at all).
If PS3 outsells 360 at a rate that will cause them to not catch up until at least xmas 2009, we're in pretty good shape, at least much better shape than last generation.
We being the multi-console future, fierce competition defense force. We will drink the tears of Jaffe and Dyack when three new consoles are eventually announced for next generation. And it will be delicious. I'm so fucking happy with this generation.
PS3 is probably already outselling 360 globally. But problem is that they have 8-9 million to catch up to. What PS3 needs to do is a lot better in USA, since thats the only market they are actually doing relativly bad in.
What continental Europe is showing is that once PS3 comes to acceptable price, 360 sales almost stop. If Microsoft doesnt do anything, they will completly lose 60%-70% of European market - which is about the same market size as USA.
It is good time to be an customer, since wars will most certainly mean prices will go down once again this year. So, we (the customers) Win.
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Absolutely.spwolf said:
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spwolf said:
Unfotunately seeing that the UK is the one European market that the 360's not doing too badly in, we'll (by which I mean me) probably have to wait the longest to benefit from cheaper 360s.
It's always a bit weird when people celebrate that a manufacturer is breaking even/profiting off hardware, as consumers we should be celebrating when they're bleeding money on hardware so we get it cheaper, when it's us that are richer for it rather than them.
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Jokeropia said:
When I said hopefully Wii's success will be partially offset by software sales, I was really speaking more about the future than the present. I'm hoping that they soften. Probably wishful thinking on my part.
Die Squirrel Die said:
Oh, agreed. I'd love to see these guys bleed horribly on hardware sales losses (but make it up on software royalties, which keeps them in the business). I get a little sad when I hear about hardware profits in this biz.
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mabuza said:
If the DC software business was booming, they wouldn't have given a crap because the platform as a whole would have been OK. Nobody should want to see the vendors lose money as a whole, but losing money on hardware is awesome.
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Conflict NZ said:
Xapati said:Both numbers make me sad. I wish the gaming market was bigger in Europe
Well, you should pay more attention to numbers.
French VG market, for instance, represents a 2.4 billion income, as of 2007. WW market is estimated at 30 billion. That's 8%.
If you take population into consideration, that would give a US market of about 12 billion (US population being ~5 times bigger than france's). Last I checked, the US market was around $12.5 billion (2006, that's 8.5 billion)
So proportionally, the french market not that far from the US'. That's France alone. Add UK, which is even bigger than France, and Germany which is quite good also (around $1 billion IIRC) and you'll see that european market isn't that weak.
I suppose Halo 3 is the MS game which got the biggest marketing push... Here in Italy I've seen more tv commercials of Ratchet & Clank Future than Halo 3 ones. Same for Heavenly Sword, Lair and Uncharted (and Assassin's Creed, with just the PS3 logo).
I don't know about the rest of Europe, but in Italy I'd say Sony has spent easily 10 times more than Microsoft in marketing in the last 6 months.
I don't know about the rest of Europe, but in Italy I'd say Sony has spent easily 10 times more than Microsoft in marketing in the last 6 months.
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£150 arcade model not cheap enough? That's a premium + benefits (if you grab the HDD separate) for around the price of a Wii.Die Squirrel Die said:
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Raist said:
The problem here is you're using the 2007 numbers for France, while using the 2006 numbers for the US. Both markets grew considerably as far as income in 2007. So, by trying to make the comparison of 2007 vs. 2006, you're greatly skewing the numbers.
EDIT: not to say Europe doesn't pull good weight, just that your assessment was stilted.
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spwolf said:
The only question I pose to you, and I'm looking for a realistic answer (probably expecting too much), is who gains the most from this generation? Does Sony gain by having their market share blasted away? Does MS gain by greatly improving their market share?
Realistically, we should all be able to agree, even if MS would somehow wind up 3rd WW w/50M to the PS3 56M, how can you ignore the VAST jump in market share? How could that been seen as a loss when considering the ridiculous software sales? In fact, if the trend continues, Sony would have to be the biggest loser all around. Software sales not even helping with hardware losses, and losing a massive chunk of the market.
So, I'd even agree with people that would say the PS3 can unseat the 360 for second WW, if they could accept MS gained massive amounts while Sony did the opposite.