thekad said:This should come free with XBL Gold.
Wario64 said:Thread merged and yours came up on top. YOU WIN THE PRIZE.
soco said:i'm fine with this, but i'd rather pay 2.50 for the demos than the cost of the print magazine, which last time i got it i think it was like 6$ at a newsstand.
AltogetherAndrews said:Let me guess, they are going to make demos exclusive to OXM again, and thus, in a roundabout way, finally get people to pay for demos on XBL.
thekad said:Should come free with XBL Gold.
MMaRsu said:I think that these 'exclusive' demo's will be only time exclusive.
MMaRsu said:I think that these 'exclusive' demo's will be only time exclusive.
Dirtbag 504 said:1up Friday exclusive owned?
Yeah, I'm not liking the sound of this. Still, I think there's enough evidence for publishers to see how wide distribution of demos is a good thing - so many games have gotten huge boosts from free ones that I hope they don't have any high-level participation.I3rand0 said:Paying for demos. Now this is living.
The End said:again, with PSN being free, this is the kind of thing MS should be giving away to add value to the XBL Gold subscription
GhaleonEB said:Yeah, I'm not liking the sound of this. Still, I think there's enough evidence for publishers to see how wide distribution of demos is a good thing - so many games have gotten huge boosts from free ones that I hope they don't have any high-level participation.
I'm all for tinkering with alternate distribution models, but bundling these demos with paid content is one of the worst ideas on Marketplace yet. They could toss up a Halo 3 demo and I'd still vote with my dollars - no thanks.
jet1911 said:I'm pretty that's not the kind of thing a "Ziff Davis" show would talk about.
This isn't Microsoft, it's Future Publishing.The End said:again, with PSN being free, this is the kind of thing MS should be giving away to add value to the XBL Gold subscription
BenjaminBirdie said:But you wouldn't buy an issue of OXM with that same demo?
Note the edit. And nope, I've become a spoiled greedy bastard. Which is to say, I have not bought a magazine for a demo since the Dreamcast days. I buy magazines on the merits of the content alone, and if there's an issue with articles I want to read on Live, I'll buy it. I really do like the idea of having the magazine available on Live, that's cool. But as a consumer I won't support buying a magazine just for an exclusive demo if the issue itself doesn't have content I want, especially given all the free demos on Marketplace.BenjaminBirdie said:But you wouldn't buy an issue of OXM with that same demo?
Dirtbag 504 said:Think about the next step though, EGM magazine downloadable on live announced tomorrow.
GhaleonEB said:Note the edit. And nope, I've become a spoiled greedy bastard. Which is to say, I have not bought a magazine for a demo since the Dreamcast days. I buy magazines on the merits of the content alone, and if there's an issue with articles I want to read on Live, I'll buy it. But as a consumer I won't support buying a magazine just for an exclusive demo - especially given all the free demos on Marketplace.
I just think that taking their print model and applying it to digital form is one I want to discourage. You need exclusive content to sell magazines - it's an expensive mag and that model makes sense. But with demos all over the place on Live, and so many of them helping to drive sales of titles (Crackdown, Fight Night Round 3, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, etc.) I don't want to encourage charging for digital distribution of those same demos.BenjaminBirdie said:Sneaky!
And I have to say, OXM has been really good lately with actually having exclusive print content that I'm interested in (PGR4 for example) to go with the red hott demo.
shidoshi said:Again... you're cheering the fact that you're now going to be paying for commercials. The argument should not be "well at least we'll get the Katamari demo now" or some other nonsense, it should be "why the f**k are demos exclusive in the first place??"
shidoshi said:"why the f**k are demos exclusive in the first place??"
BenjaminBirdie said:Because it is part of the digital emulation of a magazine that costs money, part of that money goes to companies to secure exclusives.
You know, I run into this mentality all the ****ing time making webcomics. People seem to harbor the delusion that because a comic isn't PRINTED it should be free, never mind the fact that I have to do the combined work of an entire publisher's BULLPEN just to make shit look professional and on a much tighter deadline.
But no, since it's not PRINTED we all have a right to it for free. The same effort and money is still going into the magazine and the exclusives it has secured. They damn well deserve some compensation for that.
shidoshi said:I simply cannot believe how many people in this thread are supporting this idea.
THEY ARE CONNING YOU INTO PAYING FOR DEMOS!
You aren't paying for the demos when you but the magazine + CD... you are paying more because it is harder and costlier to include a CD bundled with a magazine than it is not to do so.
Demos are a marketing tool used to try to convince you to purchase the final product, and now you're happy abou paying for the marketing as well? There is simply NO logical reason why you should have to pay for a demo, and if people actually go for this, it's going to set a terrible, terrible presidence on Xbox Live.
Again... you're cheering the fact that you're now going to be paying for commercials. The argument should not be "well at least we'll get the Katamari demo now" or some other nonsense, it should be "why the f**k are demos exclusive in the first place??"
The End said:right, but what are demos?
they're advertisements for commercial products
the more people who play them, the more copies of the game get sold
charging for a demo is retarded
Yep.shidoshi said:I simply cannot believe how many people in this thread are supporting this idea.
THEY ARE CONNING YOU INTO PAYING FOR DEMOS!
You aren't paying for the demos when you but the magazine + CD... you are paying more because it is harder and costlier to include a CD bundled with a magazine than it is not to do so.
Demos are a marketing tool used to try to convince you to purchase the final product, and now you're happy abou paying for the marketing as well? There is simply NO logical reason why you should have to pay for a demo, and if people actually go for this, it's going to set a terrible, terrible presidence on Xbox Live.
Again... you're cheering the fact that you're now going to be paying for commercials. The argument should not be "well at least we'll get the Katamari demo now" or some other nonsense, it should be "why the f**k are demos exclusive in the first place??"
shidoshi said:I simply cannot believe how many people in this thread are supporting this idea.
THEY ARE CONNING YOU INTO PAYING FOR DEMOS!
You aren't paying for the demos when you but the magazine + CD... you are paying more because it is harder and costlier to include a CD bundled with a magazine than it is not to do so.
Demos are a marketing tool used to try to convince you to purchase the final product, and now you're happy abou paying for the marketing as well? There is simply NO logical reason why you should have to pay for a demo, and if people actually go for this, it's going to set a terrible, terrible presidence on Xbox Live.
Again... you're cheering the fact that you're now going to be paying for commercials. The argument should not be "well at least we'll get the Katamari demo now" or some other nonsense, it should be "why the f**k are demos exclusive in the first place??"
This practice happens for a couple of reasons. First, they have costs associated with physical production of the magazine and disk and need compelling content to drive sales to offset the costs. Second, it started when digital distribution of demos wasn't so widespread. Now they are competing with tons of free demos on Marketplace, and their model looks antiquated by comparison.BenjaminBirdie said:Magazines have been charging for demos for almost a decade. Before that, actually.
The End said:does this mean that it'll take less time than before for this stuff to get posted on the internet where we can read it for free?
The End said:does this mean that it'll take less time than before for this stuff to get posted on the internet where we can read it for free?
The End said:does this mean that it'll take less time than before for this stuff to get posted on the internet where we can read it for free?
C4Lukins said:I wonder how OXM gets exclusive demos to begin with and who makes that decision. I think any company would be pretty stupid to go that route only when you have the massive marketing possibilities of a free demo on the marketplace. But, if they want to be stupid, let them.