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Planned DLC content for SFxTekken found on the original disc
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Depends on whether he's retarded or not, though. In Brawl you fight, that's all you do, thus it's a fighting game. It doesn't follow the regular path, but it doesn't mean it's not a fighting game. Anyone saying the opposite is deeply dense.
Depends on who you ask.
On topic: Anyone that pays for this game knowing this news in advance, deserves everything bad they get from Capcom. This is why the world is going down:
-Hey, look at this x company, it's trying to abuse us.
-I don't care, I want this y thing now, it doesn't matter anything else.
And there you go...
OmnipotentO
Member
Lets not open this can of worms.
This is also my opinion. They're basically trying to sell what they believe is a $75 or $80 game under the veil of "DLC". I'd feel a lot better about this if they straight up said that. "yes we are giving sfxt an msrp of $80 in the fall but you can get a basic version now for $60". Instead they go pull this fake "DLC" thing that looks shady as fuck.
Riposte
Member
So they also deserve everything good they get from Capcom too, huh?
AcceptableGhost
Member
From scientific studies I have made, I found that saying SSB is not a fighting game is the fastest way to start a 5+ page riot. So I can see why a troll would say something like that.
I bet someone said it before, but why couldn't they simply release the game with the 38-character roster at a much earlier date rather than waiting for them to create those DLC characters to be put on the disc already?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
In all honesty, I am not sure that there is a line to be crossed here; and even if there is and a company like Capcom or EA crosses it, the same argument thrown around in this thread will be repeated again, and again, and again.
"You don't have to buy it," for example.
That kind of reasoning is not going to fly well with fans that have supported the brand for a long while. "Thank you for being a loyal fan of The Game series ever since The Game II. We are happy to inform you that in order to play your favorite character in The Game XIII, you need to..." *Confetti flying around* "...Buy the DLC!
"I'm not singling Capcpom out here, but after the Marvel stuff they pulled I'm just incredibly fed up with the company regarding fighting games. It's also not just the characters, it's the console exclusive characters and preorder gems...THEN this on top of it, it's literally every practice I refuse to support bundled into a single game.
The only fighting game I've been supporting the DLC for has been blazblue, and even that still has stuff that deserves flack like the high price of characters and DLC colors. But it's tame compared to the rest, which I'm not supporting anyone else with.
I'm not going to insult people for using money how they want, but it's personally incredibly disappointing to know capcom is without a doubt going to keep doing stuff like this when they're constantly being enabled and rewarded for it.
Of course, but it will come at a price. Look around you and you'll notice it comes at a price.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
It is perfectly understandable in this day and age for games to have on-disc locked content.
But the sheer amount here is pretty staggering, and suggests that they likely could have released this a lot sooner.
The real bad thing though is that people who pirate this or mod their consoles are in one sense going to have access to what some might consider a better version of the game. If Capcom sticks to this schedule, I guarantee you a top player or two is going to acquire a modded console just in order to have a leg up with the characters.
I mean, I wasn't planning on buying this immediately due to ME3, but this makes it easier for me to wait a while.
But the sheer amount here is pretty staggering, and suggests that they likely could have released this a lot sooner.
The real bad thing though is that people who pirate this or mod their consoles are in one sense going to have access to what some might consider a better version of the game. If Capcom sticks to this schedule, I guarantee you a top player or two is going to acquire a modded console just in order to have a leg up with the characters.
I mean, I wasn't planning on buying this immediately due to ME3, but this makes it easier for me to wait a while.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Are Pac-Man / Mega-Man on the 360 disc or are they actually going to be "for real" exclusives for the PS3.
They are on the disc but don't know if the 360 is going to get them.
They're on the disc with endings and everything. No doubt going to be DLC.
The real ridiculous thing, I think, is the stuff that they'll sell that took virtually no work whatsoever: the hundreds of different gems that only alter a couple numbers, and the dozens of different colors, which "are colors." I wonder how much it will cost to buy "everything," if someone is crazy enough to try it.
It really does suck, but who knows how they budgeted it, and what was planned. Maybe they saw all of the issues that were plaguing other similar titles with "person with x cannot fight person who didn't download x." So they decided to budget it for pre-planned DLC characters, that are locked on the disc, so people can fight others online regardless of who has what characters purchased. Mortal Kombat tried to do it the old fashion way, and ended up destroying the online community. It kind of sucks, but it's the best solution to selling this kind of DLC to an online community. Blame Microsoft's online policies.
Riposte
Member
You could just buy used, which works for games without online passes.
Flying Wonkey
Member
Might be late to the party with this but why not.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/brelsto...w_characters_coming_to_consoles,_pc_this_fall
That's kinda disappointing really. Waiting 2 damn months for them to 'solve' their artificially created balancing error in AE was annoying. Being told this was due to the team being busy developing the PC version of SFxT and then finding out that for some strange raisin SFxT PC version is coming out in another 2 months after the console version. Top it off with having to deal with G4WL again.
I was actually hoping that they'd give the PC people the 12 characters 'unlocked' to make up for the wait but now everyone has to wait a stupid long time to use everyone. Well the PC community has made plenty of mods for the Street Fighter games and I'd like to see how well this "long lasting content" idea goes. Bonus points If the 12 unlocked characters require a simple copy and paste job to use. -_-
http://www.capcom-unity.com/brelsto...w_characters_coming_to_consoles,_pc_this_fall
That's kinda disappointing really. Waiting 2 damn months for them to 'solve' their artificially created balancing error in AE was annoying. Being told this was due to the team being busy developing the PC version of SFxT and then finding out that for some strange raisin SFxT PC version is coming out in another 2 months after the console version. Top it off with having to deal with G4WL again.
I was actually hoping that they'd give the PC people the 12 characters 'unlocked' to make up for the wait but now everyone has to wait a stupid long time to use everyone. Well the PC community has made plenty of mods for the Street Fighter games and I'd like to see how well this "long lasting content" idea goes. Bonus points If the 12 unlocked characters require a simple copy and paste job to use. -_-
Umm... Nintendo is expected to lose $838M for the year.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399375,00.asp
SolarPowered
Member
Funniest damned thing I've read in the last two weeks. The PC folks would be lucky if those DLC characters are available on the same date as the HD games come this Fall.
Not even trying to be a hater or troll here. :|
That doesn't have much do with DLC. It's more about the strength of the yen, the declining sales of the Wii and the fact that most of their major resources have been directed towards the 3DS and the Wii U(which is not even out yet) which are going to need more time to become as successful as the insane hardware that came before them.
Flying Wonkey
Member
I know, its nice to want things. Although make's it hard to support Capcom if they ain't giving us much love. Well I guess the graphics filter was nice. D:
ThirtyPlus
Member
Reposting this from the other thread but I think I've figured out a solution. The DLC issue bothers me too much to ever buy this new. But I figure I can buy this used from gamefly for 40 bucks, then I use the $20 I save to buy the extra characters. An imperfect solution for an imperfect world.
LowParry
Member
Why not just wait like everyone else for the Vita version or the inevitable GOTY version?
It is so sad that the existence of one of the best games in the past 10 years (which is Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3) gave an excuse to so many people to freak out at Capcom.
There are multiple realities, I always knew that, but I am just glad to live in Capgod land where the only REAL failure/messup they made was the barebones MVC3, and definitely not the UMVC3, SFIV/SSFIV/AE and definitely not SFxT, which is a game that we will keep on playing for YEARS to come.
There are multiple realities, I always knew that, but I am just glad to live in Capgod land where the only REAL failure/messup they made was the barebones MVC3, and definitely not the UMVC3, SFIV/SSFIV/AE and definitely not SFxT, which is a game that we will keep on playing for YEARS to come.
As said many times before: When something is developed *does not matter*. Okay, let's try explaining it this way around instead:
A development cycle is not a period of time. It's an allocation of resources, and the only part of the resource that is relative to time is "man-hours". You are *not* entitled to content created just simply within the period of time that the main game was developed, if the man-hours involved weren't budgeted to the main game. If that wasn't the case you would also be entitled to, say, the preliminary work on MML3, or Monster Hunter 3G.
The resources which were allocated to this DLC would *not* have instead been allocated to the original game if this DLC didn't exist. That's not how budgets work. The 38 basic characters are those created by the man-hours that the original game's budget went towards.
Because the former is how budgeting works, and the latter... isn't.
It's as easy as pie to create the best game in the world if you have infinite money to play with and aren't trying to turn a profit.
Is "Why hast thou forsaken me?" a form of worship?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
This is, of course, assuming that we can 100% believe what publishers/developers are telling us. But we can't really tell now, can we?
That is why gamers have no place in the development process (although if that is your cup of tea, you can turn into the amazing world of Kickstarter, for example), because the only thing gamers have to decide is whether the product offered is good for their money or not. In this case, the product offered has 38 characters, from which half is brand new to the 2d gameplay, the other is either new to this generation (Hugo, Rolento, Poison), or slightly/heavily modified compared to SSFIV.
This is the package that needs to be judged, not whether the developers also made 5 additional stages, 12+x extra characters, and two XBLA games while developing this, or not. That has nothing to do with the product offered for sale.
So are you asserting that in producing the DLC, they reduced the budget allocated to the original game?
Is that not, like, a really dumb move simply from a software engineering standpoint?
(Hint: It is.)
Oh, what he describes is technically quite possible. They could budget money to develop the game, have development get under way, and then later on reduce that budget. That is a thing that could happen.
It just happens to also be mind-numbingly idiotic from a *production* standpoint, completely independently of anything to do with the eventual consumers. Contracts would have to be renegotiated, production schedules would have to be adjusted... it'd be a nightmare. But, technically, it's not an impossibility.
NinjaBoiX
Member
I think it doesn't matter how/where/when/who DLC is released, if you are happy with your initial purchase and the content on the disc. Someone in the "Bethesda spent a week modding Skyrim" thread said all that content should have been on the disc to start.
Yeah, because the game is a little barebones.
Some people just want the moon on a stick.
Yeah, because the game is a little barebones.
Some people just want the moon on a stick.
iKeepPlaying
Banned
This should have been the first answer. Still, there's a little flaw on your argument.
Capcom did put the characters in the disc. So, essentially, we own those characters, because we're paying for the content in the disc.
If Capcom developed the characters, and didn't put them on the gold version, there wouldn't be "any" issue.
It won't be a top player or two, it will be almost all of them. Banned 360s are easy to get. You may not see these tournies, but I'm sure there will be illuminati gatherings.
I wish this game was getting bad reviews, would make shunning it a lot easier.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Well, that is simply semantics. It doesn't matter if the content is on the disc or not, the question is if you feel the accessible content, the advertised content if you will, is worth the money you paid. If the answer is yes, then any further DLC is fair game to me, regardless of how it's delivered.
Now the value of said DLC, well yes, that is always up for debate. But this notion that, whatever content was available at the time of sale should be included is nonsense.
If a movie trilogy was shot back to back, and was completely done and dusted before the release of the first movie, would you expect the whole trilogy when that movie is released to buy?
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Actually the package you're judging is a product that has 38 characters from a full roster of 50. So the value judgment you're making isn't "are 38 characters worth $60," it's "are 50 characters worth $80-$90?"
As a standalone game 38 characters is a decent roster. But don't pretend the game exists in a DLC-free vacuum because you'll be playing against a full roster online.
Seraphinianus
Banned
jesus, this thread.
it's 2005 again and we've just heard of DLC being locked on the disc and sold as an unlock key for the first time and we are little tempests in a teapot over it.
it's 2005 again and we've just heard of DLC being locked on the disc and sold as an unlock key for the first time and we are little tempests in a teapot over it.
God forbid some progress be made on that front in 7 years and I'm certainly not referring to people coming to grips with it, rather the practice itself.
LowParry
Member
We were never promised 50 characters.
I think it's more the amount of locked content (pretty much around 25% of the game) then the locking itself, combined with folks looking for any excuse to hate on Capcom.
Question: what do you guys think about VF5FS's strategy for DLC- where $20 (most likely) buys you the whole game, but the customization is all DLC? Is that DLC done right?
I really wish Skullgirls had a release date announced now so I could make a better decision on this.
iKeepPlaying
Banned
Nice. I have the right one for this analogy.
They shot a 3 part movie, right?
But they are lazy and didn't edit it, so they have the whole movie in the projector (sorry I don't know how it is called) but... after they show the first part of the trilogy, the kick you out of the cinema. Then, they say to you: "Sorry, you have to pay a small fee to go back and watch the second part." Which is exactly what Capcom is doing.
They're telling you: "Here, there's a disk with x amount of content, but we're trying to save some costs and put some locked content in it, so we could sell it to you later."
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
Stick with good developers like Platinum then.
Riposte
Member
Vanquish had DLC weapons (which were also pre-order bonuses, so "Day 1"). I bet you Anarchy Reigns will have some too.
Automatisch
Member
The least they can do is sell it at $40 so that the extra 2 months wait with no unlocks isn't a total ripoff.
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
My mind first went to Bayonetta - which felt old school in that there were unlockables on the disc.
Have Vanquish havent played it. A crime, I know.
iKeepPlaying
Banned
NinjaBoiX
Member
It depends, how long/good was the first part? Was I satisfied? Did I feel I got my money worth? If so, I can't see how it is any different to being left with a cliffhanger for part 2, a very common practice.
I guess my point is, take each aspect and judge it on it's own merits. Don't look at every available aspect, and try to justify why you should have it all. You are either satisfied with your purchase or you're not.
If you are satisfied, and still want more, well then I guess you're greedy. If you feel ripped off, and feel the DLC was ripped out to charge you again later, well then I guess you need to do your research better.
Let me ask people this:
How many of you who think Capcom is disgusting company for this own Microsoft Xbox 360s or are posting this from your computer running Microsoft Windows?
You know, Microsoft, the same company that "locks away" the Professional and Ultimate version version of Windows 7 on the very disc you own and can hold in your hands? Hm?
How many of you who think Capcom is disgusting company for this own Microsoft Xbox 360s or are posting this from your computer running Microsoft Windows?
You know, Microsoft, the same company that "locks away" the Professional and Ultimate version version of Windows 7 on the very disc you own and can hold in your hands? Hm?
iKeepPlaying
Banned
So basically, your opinion is that in this case, the consumer is always wrong and the company is always right.
I mean, seriously?
Win XP and PS3. There.