Heavy's Sandvich
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RAINWAY announced: Third party eShop app for streaming PC games to your Switch
- Thread starter Cerium
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feel sorry for people like you.
Yeah on one hand one might say it only raies the console's value on the other hand people may opt to buy games on steam and play them on Switch. Still I believe it's better to have them on Switch for the portability and people would use mainly for games not available on the system. Nintendo will probably not see it that way though.
UserNotFound
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Read my mind.
I can't see Nintendo allowing this, unless there's a grey area where this sits with NOA?
I can't wrap my brain around the legal entanglements Nintendo​ will use to make sure this doesn't happen.
It was interesting that no one noticed this back in the middle of March.
http://gameranx.com/updates/id/9885...-lets-you-play-pc-games-on-nearly-any-device/
Now I'm wondering if he got a Switch dev-kit? I thought this would have cost something to be able to run via a web browser and that he is putting it on Switch.
http://gameranx.com/updates/id/9885...-lets-you-play-pc-games-on-nearly-any-device/
Now I'm wondering if he got a Switch dev-kit? I thought this would have cost something to be able to run via a web browser and that he is putting it on Switch.
In terms of functionality it only misses the analog triggers, in terms of grip it's up to personal taste.
I have a Linx Vision.
It's like a Switch but not designed by people who have heard of ergonomic design.
That works very well for PC-Tablet streaming via Steam. If this actually comes to fruition it'll be mega as the Switch has the power to easily do this.
Hell, that would be a reason for me to jump on board as frankly, portable PC gaming is a godsend.
It's like a Switch but not designed by people who have heard of ergonomic design.
That works very well for PC-Tablet streaming via Steam. If this actually comes to fruition it'll be mega as the Switch has the power to easily do this.
Hell, that would be a reason for me to jump on board as frankly, portable PC gaming is a godsend.
There are so many problems with this post...
1) Why not? You still bought the software and the hardware and have to use their ecosystem. They lose nothing. Microsoft is the company that lets all sorts of crazy stuff happen in their ecosystem. It's a big part of the reason that Windows did so much better than Mac OS back when PCs were becoming a thing.
2) Man, if someone buys your game, they've bought you're game. I'm extremely unlikely to go buy a second copy of Stardew Valley for the Switch. I might stream it, and that would be cool, but I'm not likely to buy two copies of the game, and this software isn't going to convert a lot of double dippers into single dippers.
ffs, double dipping is fairly rare as is.
3) This may be of some concern to people.
I can stream emulated games on my Steam Link and nobody's complained, though.
4) Why would it open the Switch up to exploits any more than any other piece of software?
5) This only works for in-home streaming. So if you wanna play those games on the go, well, good luck with that. You'll have to buy copies from Nintendo.
Plus, the amount of people who might do this is Extremely Low. Most people, given a 'legit' option (this makes it sound like emulators are not legit, which isn't what I mean, since emulators are completely legal), will take the path of least resistance. Meaning most people will buy direct from Nintendo regardless.
But this is a moot point because the Switch doesn't even have SNES VC last I looked.
And they're a really garbage company for not bringing all my VC purchases forward, but that's a different discussion.
EatChildren
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I think people might be massively overestimating the appeal, usability, and stability of desktop streaming for a gaming device like this. It's super cool, but a vast majority of people won't care to invest in the effort in either setting it up or purchasing capable PC hardware. It's not a magic access to software, it's still almost exclusively dependant on having PC hardware up to scratch, owning the software on PC, and a stable LAN or internet connection.
Nintendo might stomp on it, but I almost feel they'd so primarily to curb risks of exploits or something like that. In reality, desktop streaming while cool is also pretty simple in function, but strictly limited by latency. You're going to use a ton of data through the WIFI network, and your feed quality and input latency will be felt if the connection isn't strong (best used for home LAN). And the controller emulation is hardly going to guarantee full compatibility with every game.
Game streaming services already exist and haven't monopolised the market by any stretch of the imagination. This is a home version of the exact same thing.
EDIT: If it ends up coming to fruition and allows for mostly full remote desktop use, one of the coolest features wouldn't be just games, but using it for streaming other data like movies and television. You could, in theory, boot NETFLIX through a PC browser and watch it on your Switch.
Nintendo might stomp on it, but I almost feel they'd so primarily to curb risks of exploits or something like that. In reality, desktop streaming while cool is also pretty simple in function, but strictly limited by latency. You're going to use a ton of data through the WIFI network, and your feed quality and input latency will be felt if the connection isn't strong (best used for home LAN). And the controller emulation is hardly going to guarantee full compatibility with every game.
Game streaming services already exist and haven't monopolised the market by any stretch of the imagination. This is a home version of the exact same thing.
EDIT: If it ends up coming to fruition and allows for mostly full remote desktop use, one of the coolest features wouldn't be just games, but using it for streaming other data like movies and television. You could, in theory, boot NETFLIX through a PC browser and watch it on your Switch.
Pretty much my feeling but sounds too good to be true.
Except pathetic and sweeping generalisations like this are obviously not puzzling at all since the ambiguous "PCGAF" is obviously not a single entity in unison
Some only want extremely high fps, some don't mind as long as it is above a certain point, some want the highest IQ, some don't mind a bit of latency, others do...
"ConsoleGAF consistently generalising" runs into the same issue
I only use In home streaming on Steam and a few hiccups aside (solved by enabling QoS on my router) it works great on lesser hardware.
I wouldn't make much use of this remotely but as an in home solution this is perfect. Latency honestly is no problem too and I am a stickler for lag. If an underpowered Z8300 based tablet can manage this, so can the Switch.
I know I'm not a typical user though as I have a decent PC and access to a 2,000+ game Steam library between me and my partner.
This is literally dream-tier
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I've been thinking about it since I got my Switch
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It's pretty much only useful to people who already have decent PCs that they do a decent amount of gaming on.
That said, there are plenty of very cheap and easy to run indie games on PC that don't need KBM and could basically explode the Switch's library.
Chances are it'll be mainly viable when you're at home, going through the same router as your PC.
That said, if you can get lucky through wi-fi or good networks elsewhere then you may get lucky with latency and stuff will be playable.
Mainly depends what you want to play. For point and click or puzzle games you'll probably be fine playing anywhere; for twitch or action games the latency will probably kill it.
Edit: basing this on remote play on other devices
What
What
I've been thinking about it since I got my Switch
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It's pretty much only useful to people who already have decent PCs that they do a decent amount of gaming on.
That said, there are plenty of very cheap and easy to run indie games on PC that don't need KBM and could basically explode the Switch's library.
Chances are it'll be mainly viable when you're at home, going through the same router as your PC.
That said, if you can get lucky through wi-fi or good networks elsewhere then you may get lucky with latency and stuff will be playable.
Mainly depends what you want to play. For point and click or puzzle games you'll probably be fine playing anywhere; for twitch or action games the latency will probably kill it.
Edit: basing this on remote play on other devices
Switch has a dpad?
Sounds very interesting. Although, the performance has to be spot on for it to be a great way to play Steam games. The custom controller layouts could be another hassle too. Vita streaming was a great idea but the execution killed it for me in the end.
And this is why it won't happen. What I'd like to see would be Steam + Switch bundles. Pay 5 extra and you get a Switch code as well, something like that. But that's up to each developer.
He said handheld so no pro controller.
polyh3dron
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Won't believe this until I can download it myself.
Throwaway123456789
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The Switch has a (split) d-pad on the left joy-con.
OminoMichelin
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yo.
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This is actually what I care for. I prefer couch + tv set up so this could help me play some pc games.
CouchMaster
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Finally Bayonetta on Switch.
drangleic tourism
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Streaming tech does not render VC obsolete at all. I travel a LOT and am very often without a good enough internet connection for remote play. And there are lots of times where I have a switch or vita and no internet connection period.
I know I have one. But obviously this isn't what he wanted.
I would love this because I travel a lot, but this feels like a perfect example of when Nintendo would swoop in. Their track record on shutting down anything that can circumvent or root their network is pretty clear. Even though streaming is somewhat innocuous, even the perception of running things on a Switch that aren't available on the eShop would probably bother them enough to intervene.
300% this
would love for this to be true, will never be available on the official Switch eshop
All Nintendo would have to do is say "no."
So he either has their approval, or he's basically lying.
MatthewB92
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Only way I see this happening is if they somehow filter out being able to stream games that are on the switch which idk how they would do that.
stan423321
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Everyone who has a gaming PC and a Switch is already potentially playing the multiplat indie titles on PC. Everyone who hasn't got a PC and has a Switch will not suddenly buy a gaming PC. The same applies to Virtual Console, really, though based on its previous implementations it could use enhancements.
That said I am really surprised this thing apparently got allowed. If so, why didn't I hear of Switch getting an indie media player yet?
You underestimate the implications of this App. This App would basically allow other platforms to use Nintendo's own hardware. Even if that other platform is the PC it makes literally no sense at all to allow this. Unless Nintendo actually wants to introduce something like this themselves and has set guidelines, this will never happen.
EA Access does this to a degree and Sony said no as well. MS said "screw it, all our games are on PC too anyway and we need EA".
Maybe but tell me would you rather buy the same game on steam rather than eshop just to save a few bucks? Because obviously streaming wont give you the same experience as playing on the device itself.
If you got both the pc and the Xbox connected with Ethernet you got very little latency, and if your pc is powerful you can already get Scorpio graphics on your Xbox one. Not to mention your entire steam library.
I want uncapped framerate, and all the fancy things on the PC games I buy, yet it doesn't mean I'm not willing to sacrifice some of them for specific situation ( like say playing lego games coop online with Moonlight Game Streaming ).
Same situation there.
Actually they did. IGN Brasil visited Netflix headquarters and asked about it. Basically, Netflix is watching the sales performance and the demand for Netflix on it before making a app.
Yea this is always the key.
That said, with it being a Nintendo device it makes all this a lil huge if it happens. Officially without modding.