That's slipped my radar but I'll look at it. Sounds fascinating.
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Steve Bannon replaces Joint Chiefs of Staff and DNI in the National Security Council
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jakonovski
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On top of all that, Ian Kershaw, the historian famous for his Hitler biography, is writing a new book called Triumph of the Will: the Rise of Donald Trump.
Well, actually that is the Alt Reich approach all over the world. A blow hard in the main position (Geert Wilders and Frauke Petry for instance) and a real whitesupremacist scumbag second in command (Martin Bosma and Marcus Pretzell).
I've seen people trying to share on Facebook at least. I honestly wouldn't put it past them to use the immigrant ban as a smokescreen, so people can get up in arms about something else while the real evil keeps progressing.
The thing is, let's imagine a magical world where even 75% of Americans realize this is happening, realize Bannon is horrible and evil, and don't want him as part of government. Is there ANYTHING anyone can legally do about Bannon? Unless congress actually does something, I can't see anything happening since Trump holds the reigns over whoever he puts in power and listens to. And even if congress tries, what can they do? Attempt to charge him with a crime?
It definitely needs a hell of a lot more attention. At least #StopPresidentBannon is #1 trending on Twitter currently.
I have no idea what they can do either. It's frightening.
I picked it up recently; am about halfway through. There are some...concerning similarities.
I'm so glad people are catching on.
JetBlackPanda
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Guys this is the same as Obamas Tsars that we're appointed without congress.
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Bitch Pudding
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Not even Karl Rowe was alowed in there. For very good reasons.
Damn, this new leadership makes Dick Cheeney and Karl Rowe look like full-blown environmentalists and defenders of the free world.
Chmpocalypse
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Really missed an opportunity here to call it "Trump of the Will: the Rise of The Donald"
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CrispyBoar
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A "not elected by the people" fuckhead, I might add.
Rove and Cheney were smarter than this, they didn't want attention even if Rove loved to play his shadow games while Cheney pushed his own agenda. This can only end badly for everyone be that the American people, Bannon, Trump, or Bannon's current absence from a local jail.
Bannon has zero political experience and he's rushing to grab control and power in a country where the actual power is split too far and wide from the Executive branch for his overreach to go unanswered. Hence the massive clusterfuck going on now where he (and Miller) overruled senior officials and pushed through this EO.
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I think Bannon, if he is cunning, locked both outcomes. He won't hold back, and if Trump follows through it leads to a constitutional crisis and he uses the opportunity to pretty much finish the coup. If it does backfire on Trump and he was impeached or resigned, then Bannon picks up the ball right where it falls, he'll get all the Trump supporters + maybe more, and you'd get a worst candidate ahead than Trump or whatever it would snowball into, he would go all out against the GOP.
And I'm sure he wants a constitutional crisis because in that case the crisis becomes just a matter of semantics, the ones wanting to distort or take down the constitution are automatically legitimized by the very nature of the crisis, and you end up on one side or the other. At that point, anything goes. Even the police and the military wouldn't know where they stand, but the former would be confronting protesters daily and that in of itself would eventually bias them to one side.
And I'm sure he wants a constitutional crisis because in that case the crisis becomes just a matter of semantics, the ones wanting to distort or take down the constitution are automatically legitimized by the very nature of the crisis, and you end up on one side or the other. At that point, anything goes. Even the police and the military wouldn't know where they stand, but the former would be confronting protesters daily and that in of itself would eventually bias them to one side.
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PeskyToaster
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Ian Kershaw is great. Also Richard Evans' Third Reich trilogy. Some people recommend William Shirer's which is great because it's like a first hand account as Shirer was a CBS reporter in Germany but you might miss more recent historical research because it was written in like 1960.
QisTopTier
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That's good. Everyone is talking but what are they going to do about it?
Republicans are just sitting around putting out statements and doing NOTHING.
They seem to have gone full party over country at this point. It's sad. We are past the point of political alignment.
PJV3
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Yet he doesn't do anything.
TheOctodad
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I think the critique is warranted and pressure should be put on McCain and all GOP members.
But, McCain also strikes me as someone who doesn't display what he's doing to the press. If something happens, we'll just see the action take place, he's not going to telegraph anything.
But, McCain also strikes me as someone who doesn't display what he's doing to the press. If something happens, we'll just see the action take place, he's not going to telegraph anything.
Fox Mulder
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Fuck McCain.
Just another GOP Trump enabler. Gotta put party first though.
Just another GOP Trump enabler. Gotta put party first though.
Yep. American sellout.
Through his shitty right wing propaganda movies and that bullshit website that captured the hearts of GOP idiots.
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It's a coup.
KernelPanic
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Here is Steve Bannon explaining(short video):
https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/825782896745127939
That's disturbing
https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/825782896745127939
That's disturbing
Dunford is good friends with Mattis and Kerry, they will remove Bannon if he is deemed a threat. But this puts into context where Mattis was resisting the Trump administration. Bannon was very likely trying to reach into the DoD and Army heads but Mattis objected and blocked all of those lunatics, which also means that Bannon/Trump failed at reaching into the military ranks. The Joint Chiefs are untouched and the DoD is under moderate control with Mattis and Kerry.
So that puts Bannon with control of DHS and the Security Council against (in failed bids for control and power):
IC
DoD/Army
Sane people
The Federal Circuit (filled with and controlled for the forceable future by Obama appointees and Trump's pick for SCOTUS will not break the tie with Kennedy remaining the moderate swing)
McCain
The former two being considerably more dangerous to his status as living/not out on permanent vacation than the latter.
theignoramus
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McCain thinks Michael Flynn is well qualified for the post.
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Ask yourself why did Trump pick Mattis? I don't think this scenario is that far fetched. Look at the rest of the administration, Mattis stands out, doesn't fit at all, but there's a reason they decided to go for him. They picked him to take him down and take control of the military in the ensuing fallout.
This doesn't work. Mattis is not in poor standing with the Joint Chiefs and the standing Generals of the Army.
They'd have to take him down AND the entire JCoS and standing Generals. Do this, and the military would kick their teeth in.
Gabriel_Logan
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Look at the attempted Turkish Coup. Some did some didn't.
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What are they going to do in response to that, fight back and take down the president?
They just need a story that Mattis and the generals were plotting a coup and mandate their arrest.The goal is for the story to be credible, so that the counter-coup can occur even if there is no actual coup. This wouldn't be a military coup, it would be a judicial one. No shots fired, just confusion, arrests, resignation demands.
See how it would work in a country like Turkey where the government had control over the police, but not so much over the military until recently. The military were the protectors of the secular state, but Erdogan replaced its leaders with his own over time. How did that work? Because he had the control of the justice system, the police, which controls the population, and hence the politicians. No one could stand up and stop it.
Trump/Bannon don't need to fire a shot. Only impeachment stands in the way, and the Republicans might be too afraid of the impact on their future to act.
BTW, Trump's in charge of the NSA now.
If Trump and Bannon arrested Mattis and took over the military in one night somehow? Of course. That's not what I described at all. Mattis and a few others would be removed and it would take some time for congress to figure out if the claims are true or not. For them to impeach Trump, they have to accept pretty much giving up on 2018, 2020 and maybe more. They would let Trump move ahead, always with the same idea that it will work out in their favor in the end.
If this happens during a big conflict, I would imagine they would replace Mattis and the generals without passing by congress at all. Already said any constitutional crisis favors Trump/Bannon, as it automatically turns into a matter of viewpoints, not facts.
SlipperyFishes
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I imagine at that point Congress would vote to remove him from power, and Pence along with him.
If they truly plan a counter-coup by claiming Mattis is planning a coup, why would they care what Congress votes? Congress wouldn't have the military or intelligence communities.
Any soldier honoring their oath never would attack peaceful citizens of their country.
I say this as person who has server in military, even if not American.
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"Peaceful" is a pretty huge qualifier. That's basically a yes.
Because the military and intelligence communities are complete usless if the government is blatently illegitimate. Even dictators and puppet governments try to maintain the air of legitimacy. Remember, Trump is already deeply unpopular and facing mass protest nation-wide. Trying to overreach will only intensify resistance against him. If he blatently ignores Congress's impeachment, he is basically announcing to the world that the Constitution is dead and that we are a dictatorship now. The legitimacy of his power would be dead.
With neither legitimacy nor popularity, Trump wouldn't last a week in power. The majority of Americans already hate Trump's guts. It is only the legitimacy of his Presidency, which came from a legitimate electoral victory, that gives him any authority.
Besides, Bannon isn't some political genius. He is just a guy who got lucky by riding the coat-tails of a fool who was elected by a barrage of (un)fortunate happenstances. Bannon is now just trying to live out his juvenile fantasies of being a fascist dictator, because he doesn't know enough about political realities to be any wiser. He is dangerous, but ultimately just a dangerous fool.
Not only that, is it quite possible to create a rift between them if everyone starts saying Trump isn't in charge in Bannon is? I imagine this would make Trump's ego very angry that people were saying he wasn't the real leader.
What if those citizens were marching on the White House? What if they took over some other federal building?
What if they weren't being peaceful at all?
I think there is a tipping point here. I know there are enough piece of shit racist cops that would gladly kill in Trump's name, I just hope that the military isn't the same.
What if they weren't being peaceful at all?
I think there is a tipping point here. I know there are enough piece of shit racist cops that would gladly kill in Trump's name, I just hope that the military isn't the same.
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