SeanNoonan
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Sounds like it could have been incredible :-/
True facts; every cancelled game is the best game ever. Quality comes from execution.
Sounds like it could have been incredible :-/
Uhhh, is this the same MS that published a Halo 5 where 75%+ of the game is spent playing from a black character's vantage point and women are heavily featured in the story and plot?
What the hell?
True facts; every cancelled game is the best game ever. Quality comes from execution.
Not strictly true. I think, from a purely business perspective, it doesn't matter if it's white males in charge or not - the main problem is that the people in charge think the audience are mostly white males and that said audience will only identify with other white males.
Exactly my thought. Rebrand and go, don't just switch it and add a cool little idea and keep going. The above sounds exactly like Fable anyway, so what if it was R.DerZuhälter;203365908 said:Me, too as shitty as it may sound.
Could have alienated the small as it may be Fable player base, and the IP would probably turn off too many others. It sounds interesting to say the least, but I wouldn't have attached it to that franchise.
That sounded like a good pitch but if anything Lionhead is known for is: great pitches.
Uh, wow, yeah... they had a fight about the cover using an example from a movie that came out a year later? WTF?This confuses me because the lead in says it's about Fable 2, but Fable 2 released in 2008 and Princess and the Frog was a 2009 movie.
Official boycotting these fuck niggas. Fuck Microsoft."They were going, you can't have a black person on the cover, and you can't have a woman. And you want a black woman. And I was like, yes, I do, because it's about be whatever hero you want. No. It's a white guy. That's just the way it is. We know what sells and that's fucking it. Stop the arguing. I was like, fuck you! That was a huge fight.
"They said, what's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, I don't know. They went, Princess and the Frog. Work it out. I was like fuck you, man. I hated it.
"I was screaming at them in conference calls. I lost it at that point, because they just weren't getting the game. Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls. It was meant to be funny and mature. They just took none of it and just did the usual white guy with a sword on the front. Damn it! You missed the point!"
Uh, yes, it exactly was?
"And that was going to be Fable 4, and it would be darker and grittier"
Sounds like it to me.
I love Fable because of how light hearted and just silly it is, that sounds like a regression IMO.
I'm starting to dislike Microsoft again, why the hell is their management of first party studios still shitty? I thought Phil Spencer was supposed to be the "man" or whatever? What happened to him being cool? Halo has been mismanaged to death, Gears looks like well... Gears(although we won't get another halo 4 situation, we aren't getting anything revolutionary either. Something tells me that the collation took on Gears so they could avoid the chopping block of their new IP wasn't the next "halo"), Forza is well.... Forza. These guys really sucks when it comes to their managing their studios and marketing Xbox outside of the US. Ugh.
Even if Peter M. wasn't involved, Fable as a series has been known to under-deliver. Yeah, the pitch sounds great but getting that into a game is the hard part. Looking at what could have been is fun but in the end it was still just a pitch. Maybe MS didn't have faith that they could actually deliver on that proposal, MS were obviously not impressed by Fable Legends so what makes everyone think they could deliver that vision for Fable 4.
Yeah, can't say I blame MS for not falling for it again
I'm starting to dislike Microsoft again, why the hell is their management of first party studios still shitty? I thought Phil Spencer was supposed to be the "man" or whatever? What happened to him being cool? Halo has been mismanaged to death, Gears looks like well... Gears(although we won't get another halo 4 situation, we aren't getting anything revolutionary either. Something tells me that the collation took on Gears so they could avoid the chopping block of their new IP wasn't the next "halo"), Forza is well.... Forza. These guys really sucks when it comes to their managing their studios and marketing Xbox outside of the US. Ugh.
"Darker and grittier" doesn't mean it will be "Dark and Gritty". It means it will be darker and grittier than Fable 1, 2 & 3.
The light hearted, humorous and silly nature you expect could still take place (and would actually flourish imo) in the sort of industial, Victorian London setting they are talking about.
There's nothing wrong with Gears looking like Gears. What the hell else do you want? Changing it at this point would be a misstep. You don't just completely change a franchise to the point that it no longer resembles the originals that were popular.I'm starting to dislike Microsoft again, why the hell is their management of first party studios still shitty? I thought Phil Spencer was supposed to be the "man" or whatever? What happened to him being cool? Halo has been mismanaged to death, Gears looks like well... Gears(although we won't get another halo 4 situation, we aren't getting anything revolutionary either. Something tells me that the collation took on Gears so they could avoid the chopping block of their new IP wasn't the next "halo"), Forza is well.... Forza. These guys really sucks when it comes to their managing their studios and marketing Xbox outside of the US. Ugh.
I like how the people on here yelling at MS forgot that Lionhead, especially with Fable had mismanged money, half the ideas have been poor, and they almost never actually keep promises, which gives MS a bad rep.
True facts; every cancelled game is the best game ever. Quality comes from execution.
Maybe to a segment of fans, but the games have consistently reviewed and sold well.
Fable Legends isn't the game they wanted to make, it's the game that MS wanted them to make, and then fired them for it not living up to some nebulous standard as the flag bearer for Win10 and UE4.
Official boycotting these fuck niggas. Fuck Microsoft.
A harsh reminder that the art we love is also a business. I hope most developers don't find themselves up against such demanding terms, as some of the best games ever made (ICO, Shadow of the Colossus and many others) were not particularly commercially viable, and were never deliberately designed to be.
One does not simply throw money at kojima and walk away with their wallets fine.Urghhh...MS back to being daft.
Pitch it to Sony now!! Hopefully they still have some money after throwing it at Kojima.
Yep. It's just like a sports game. Players can sound great on paper, but that doesn't mean they can execute well and produce a great product on the floor/field.True facts; every cancelled game is the best game ever. Quality comes from execution.
Fable is only unpopular on message boards, sort of like CoD and Assassin's Creed. MS isn't in the business for prestige, or we'd be getting sequels to Lost Odyssey and Phantom Dust.
I don't understand how Fable came to be such a popular franchise. It's babby's first RPG, and Lionhead's MO has always been to over-promise and under-deliver.
I'm saying making the game darker and grittier would make it worse IMO.
What a shame. Gave them their own noose.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507717
I might be a bit wrong, I'm not exactly sure if he's just parroting Mattrick's ideologies or if he himself was the one pushing this ideology for the European studios that Microsoft owned.
It wasn't cancelled. It wasn't even greenlit.True facts; every cancelled game is the best game ever. Quality comes from execution.
The Coalition is trying to regain the old school MP Gears audience that felt the series was straying too far from it's roots. The first Gears established a generation of pro players that kept the series alive for years and Judgement tried to experiment too much with the formula and almost destroyed the series, even though I thought Judgement was alright. Keep in mind the story mode is suppose to do some innovative stuff that's not in the MP.I'm starting to dislike Microsoft again, why the hell is their management of first party studios still shitty? I thought Phil Spencer was supposed to be the "man" or whatever? What happened to him being cool? Halo has been mismanaged to death, Gears looks like well... Gears(although we won't get another halo 4 situation, we aren't getting anything revolutionary either. Something tells me that the collation took on Gears so they could avoid the chopping block of their new IP wasn't the next "halo"), Forza is well.... Forza. These guys really sucks when it comes to their managing their studios and marketing Xbox outside of the US. Ugh.
2012 microsoft is a bad microsoft
"They were going, you can't have a black person on the cover, and you can't have a woman. And you want a black woman. And I was like, yes, I do, because it's about be whatever hero you want. No. It's a white guy. That's just the way it is. We know what sells and that's fucking it. Stop the arguing. I was like, fuck you! That was a huge fight.
"They said, what's the most unsuccessful Disney film? I was like, I don't know. They went, Princess and the Frog. Work it out. I was like fuck you, man. I hated it.
"I was screaming at them in conference calls. I lost it at that point, because they just weren't getting the game. Especially because we were the first ever game that had gay marriage, we were about breaking down walls. It was meant to be funny and mature. They just took none of it and just did the usual white guy with a sword on the front. Damn it! You missed the point!"
Fair enough. I read "Dark & Gritty" in your post and that's just not the impression I got from the description of the world they were describing. imo anyway.
"And that was going to be Fable 4, and it would be darker and grittier.
the funniest part is $75million on fable legends...thats some waste of cash.
the article is really good though, really highlights the ridiculousness in corporations "these games only gave us 3 times returns" we want more.
As Jim Sterling says about AAA publishers, they don't want money..they want ALL the money
And yet Microsoft green lit an awful looking tower defence game and piled tens of millions into it's development only to can it two years later
That doesn't really make any sense
I think the underlying point - hence the Bill Hicks photo - is that marketers are fucking scum.
Originally Posted by DedValve
Actually thats what happens when the majority of people in power are white males who only care about catering to other white males
I am so angry right now.
Fuck you Phil