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kraspkibble
Permabanned.
lol i can't believe it's only been almost 3 months since it came out.
what a failure.
that druckmann character should have been booted out of Naughty Dog.
what a failure.
that druckmann character should have been booted out of Naughty Dog.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Nearly 15 million players and they announced 10 million sales.
Yeah man, you are right.
God of War in the same time frame has millions of borrowed games while TLOU2 are all sales, game is going to sell more than God of War and Spiderman, all hail Neil Cuckman.
Never said TLOU 2 were all sales, it's just that you can't distinguish the sales and players. I also never said it would do as good as GoW in the same time frame.
But hey, He said many people weren't going to like it and you're acting surprised.
notseqi
Member
The Craig of UsCraig > The Last of Us II
Guilty_AI
Member
Not sure what you mean by "what ND is doing". Is it AAA story driven games? There are loads of those around, with equal and larger scales even:
RDR2, Death Stranding, Assassins Creedies, Far Cries, Watchdogs 2, The witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Final Fanatsies, Nier Automata, MGSV, Yakuza's, HZD, Control, Resident Evil's, Metro's... as well as plenty that deviate a bit from this pattern like Ace Combat 7, Half Life Alyx and Baldurs Gate 3.
Shmunter
Member
What are the real Sales numbers?
notseqi
Member
Thought to give this a short look, watched the whole vid. Dang, very nice, thank you.
notseqi
Member
AutumnLeaves
Member
How does this have seven pages?
notseqi
Member
Somebody posted. Then somebody else posted. Fuck him.
Fake
Member
We can't deny we're the part of that problem. Years of fans, including myself, calling them 'Naughty Gods' could put their EGO at the skys.
And? So what? I get it, the sequel didn't fulfill you, Joel wasn't avenged and you found out you have no empathy. I mean are we gonna start looking at all games that fell out of the top 20? It's not the most repayable of games and the story was fucking exhausting. I played it once and sold it to recover 90 percent of what I paid for it.
It is however an incredible technical achievement. Every fucking ounce of that 1.84 flops has been squeezed to death.
It is however an incredible technical achievement. Every fucking ounce of that 1.84 flops has been squeezed to death.
yurinka
Member
Gamstat says it has 6.4M users, 450K of them in the last month. Games typically have a 2 months or so release sales peak, and then go way down to almost zero until discounted, added to Plus or Now, etc, or when re-released with goty editions or get important DLC/updates. This time I assume there's going to be a peak with the PS5 launch too.
As reference, in gamstats TLOU1 for PS3 shows around 3.5M users in the same period (slightly under 3 months).
As reference, in gamstats TLOU1 for PS3 shows around 3.5M users in the same period (slightly under 3 months).
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Prediction: The next great NeoGAF schism will be between gamers with common sense and TLoU2 stans who go and create the AbbeyEra forum. The violence between the two groups has endured long enough.
Venuspower
Member
Keep in mind hat Part I shipped with a MP. A lot of people started playing this
mode once they finished the story.
Part II on the other hand does not have such a mode. Which is why people moved on.
Also do not forget that there were people who bought the first game for the MP.
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Whitecrow
Banned
For being a narrative driven game, the narrative sucks ass, and that's why this is happening.
Nobody is critisicing the artistic achievements.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
SafeOrAlone
Banned
I love the TLOU Pt 2. Gameplay and atmosphere are fantastic. Didn't mind the story.
Could've done without Abby. I never really came around to her, and stopped my second playthrough when I got to her part.
I appreciate the effort though. Just like with Metal Gear Solid 2, I don't mind surprises or elements of the game being hidden from marketing. Especially here, when the offering was so plentiful anyways.
Great game.
Could've done without Abby. I never really came around to her, and stopped my second playthrough when I got to her part.
I appreciate the effort though. Just like with Metal Gear Solid 2, I don't mind surprises or elements of the game being hidden from marketing. Especially here, when the offering was so plentiful anyways.
Great game.
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cerealbuster
Member
And they would have be able to do that with "kissing, taking shirt off, fades black, showing them naked on the bed". Incredible how sony allowed that but fucking censor everything japanese. California was a mistake.Coz we needed drama about humans cheating rather than get to know more about the world and the infected.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Funny thing is in Catherine most characters are older than Abby and Ellie but if that game had sex scene, it would have been censored. Heck to this day that didn't stop people from calling Catherine "porn" game.
I hate this stupid double standard western gaming culture has against Japanese games.
Apparently you cant have character pointing gun in the cover.
But thats okay for RDR2
Because......
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phat_crazy
Member
Also realize those are players not sales
We don't know how much TLOU2 is dominating the used game market so we don't know how much of that number is used games, multiple accounts on the same PS4 playing the game, etc.
Gamestats does not represent sales
Also remember TLOU was a new IP while Part 2 rode the hype of the first game hence the record first week (could be sold to retailers for all we know)
If everyone knew exactly how TLOU2 would go down, Part 2 would have never had those initial sales
We will have to see just how much bad word of mouth will affect Part 2's sales in the long run
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cudiye
Member
I’m baffled that TLOU 2 fans still defend him after his twitter fiasco(s).
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Naughty Dog earned the opportunity to release a bad game after so many game of the year award winning games, nobody expected the sequel to one of their many franchises to miss wildly but I'm very curious how the release of the PS5 will effect it's sales.
Futaleufu
Member
That actually happened, then Doyle had to retcon it.
The game got more hate than it deserved. The environment and mechanics were amazingly refined. The backlash against abby's body was frankly stupid (my CrossFit coach is bulkier than Abby lmao) and GoT killed most beloved characters without the same outcry.
Also the "having mercy upon the enemy" is such and old trope...I don't understand why people got so damn offended. Ellie signaled from the start that she never wanted to kill Abby - right after when she killed Nora tbh
Also the "having mercy upon the enemy" is such and old trope...I don't understand why people got so damn offended. Ellie signaled from the start that she never wanted to kill Abby - right after when she killed Nora tbh
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
This from my personal opinion.....
I don't have any issue with violence and if you enjoyed the combat in the first game then Part 2 is better in every way. With that being said you cant enjoy this game if you don't like the story, it entire pacing tied to it, especially having bunch of flashback and dream sequence. GoT in other hand, you don't need to have that much invested in to the story to enjoy the overall gameplay basically same as InFAMOUS series.
Personally have bunch of issues with its story (none of the has anything to do with "SJW" or "woke") the story just didn't work for me.
This going be true with 13 Sentinels as well, I'm super hyped for it but my enjoyment of this game entirely will depend on if I like the story and characters.
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Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Honestly people need to get over Joel. He was a great character but he is not Batman and should not be immune to the world he lived in. He did a lot of bad things and one of them came back to haunt him. TLOU always was an arthouse game and the fact that some fans thought it was Star Wars or something is not ND's fault. If I want feel good super hero stuff I will play Spiderman.
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Paulxo87
Member
I think more people would have been able to get past joel dying if the entire second half of the game they did not ram abby down your throat. It's that MGS2 esque surprised that pissed a lot of people off. I did enjoy the game though.
Physiognomonics
Member
Did you play either the first part or the second?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
um....because its his game? Devs should be making the game they want to make instead of just trying please fans.
angrod14
Member
It's not the fact that they kill him that has triggered the backlash, but the way they wrote his death, and the purpose it was supposed to serve in narrative terms. I'm not saying that Joel should've had an "heroic" death by any means -that would've been too cliche-, but what they basically did was to kill one of the greatest and most beloved male characters ever conceived in gaming with no sense of buildup, in an completely unexpected manner, through a scene that had him acting completely off-character, and at the hands of the out-of-nowhere daughter of a fucking NPC character dragged from the first game. And for what exactly was that in the end? To tell you that "revenge is bad", "revenge is not the path", "cycle of revenge", "dig two graves", and all of that Gandhi shit Druckmann was already spoiling all over the marketing interviews that led to the launch of the game.
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danstar
Neo Member
That tweet was in response to someone saying the death threats were justified.
He acknowledged that people love the characters so yes, you are allowed to like fictional characters. I don't see what your issue is with this tweet.
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
I should be more clear. I was referring to WOKE garbage, not games made by the abcdefg community. I suspect Mario is lgbqt and you can give me that shit all day.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Probably because there's no point.
It's people playing video games. Not people watching Schindler's List. In gaming, the content is usually some crazy shit, and half the people (like me) skip cut scenes anyway, so paying a bunch of people a bunch of money is kind of pointless. People care more about graphics and gameplay.
Most of the plots are predictable too where gaming is start out as a low level loser, grind through 10 hrs of killing zombies and mini bosses, and finally kill the evil final boss. How much influence can a pro hollywood writer improve it?
Also in gaming, there seems to be a heavy handed influence by the studio lead or VP (half the time it seems that person founded the company), so the story will likely be heavily influence by what that guy wants vs. a pro screenwriter saying doing it this way.
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spookyfish
Member
Whitecrow
Banned
His idea was rejected multiple times in the past, and was Bruce Straley who kept him in check and thanks to him he is where he is right now.
What is happening with TLOU2 sales is because he didnt give a fuck about anything he did in the past, neither fans or the characters he created, and neither he cared about a coherent history and characters for TLOU2. Everything he cared about was accomplishing the goal of doing whatever his ballsack wanted because he thinks he is the next Spielberg or something.
Such a narcissist person cant be in such a charge. Sales prove it. His tweets insulting the fanbase proves it. The false advertising proves it. The obsessive youtube channel striking proves it.
He is trash.
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
but the game did sell well....
The Last of Us Part 2 is the third highest-grossing game in the US in PlayStation history
The Last of Us Part 2 is the third highest-grossing game ever on PlayStation in the US.As reported by NPD Group and spo…
www.eurogamer.net
My take is every developers should be free to make what they want to make, regardless sales number, most of my favourite games of all time don't sell anywhere near as ND games but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be free to make what they want.
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LarknThe4th
Member
I think trying to come at this game from a commercial perspective isnt the smartest move, it did really well
phat_crazy
Member
What have been the sales since the first week (sales could also mean sold to retailers that first week)?
The game got some bad word of mouth and we will have to wait and see how that affects it in the long run
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DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
id rather it fell off the face of the earth, game is dogshit and not a patch on TLOU1
LarknThe4th
Member
That article posted right above my original post by Eurogamer has already guaranteed it as one of Sonys biggest successes ever
I know a lot of people dont like the game, there is no point in trying to somehow tear it down from a commercial perspective because those perspectives would be unequivocally wrong
Opinions are one thing, but numbers dont really lie
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phat_crazy
Member
First week numbers