RBelong2Us
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mentality being that you gotta get your ass beat and experience what it means before you can get accepted i guess.
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UFC 203 CM Punk vs Mickey Gall |OT| Like Mussolini and Kennedy
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mentality being that you gotta get your ass beat and experience what it means before you can get accepted i guess.
If it come down to Roufus making a game plan that was to prevent punk from getting hurt that may have been the best plan.
Outside of jumping out of the cage.
RBelong2Us
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ehhh.. one or two more fights against lesser opponents wouldnt give him a mush brain or anything. let him do it who cares.
Ninja Scooter
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Depends on how much Punk is making. UFC has cut a lot of name guys, even guys who don't necessarily lose, because they make more than they are worth in terms of draw power. This is the problem for Punk. He was a great one-time draw, but how much is that star power going to carry on now that he's been waxed so embarrassingly?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Nah, this was before the fight.
RBelong2Us
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i just love that he said nobody really got into Galls face and went after him as if he should be the person testing that out lol.
Yeah...should he have laid back and worked his superior counter striking, or something? Dude's only chance was the ol' Lucky Punch, and I'm sure Duke knew that.
Wouldn't doubt that Duke wants him to get right back on that bike to get another piece of the pie, either. Kind of sad.
blackaroni
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Basically:
I wonder if these smarks admire Roman Reigns for dedicating two years at Full Sail to learn how to wrestle the same way they admire their indie darling Phil learning MMA.
Oh wait.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I thought it was obvious I was joking.
Punk could have ran around the Octagon like Overeem though hoping Gall twisted his ankle and then pounced on it biting it and tearing away the damaged ligament.
blackaroni
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I wonder if these smarks admire Roman Reigns for dedicating two years at Full Sail to learn how to wrestle the same way they admire their indie darling Phil learning MMA.
Oh wait.
Not to mention he probably has a crazy amount of concussions from wrestling and his other injuries.
Part of that was because they couldn't get New York to legalize MMA so they wanted to clean the image up as much as possible. Now the UFC is big enough that image problems won't be a concern unless somebody dies during a weight cut.
Punk vs Mike Jackson might be the next fight to make and then they can cut punk if they want to.
Though if Punk does want to fight he can't go quiet like he did last time.
Except Punk didn't even throw a good punch. Hell if you were going to bank everything on one hit wouldn't you want it to be a crazy right cross? Instead Punk threw a left jab where his right hand ended out going further out.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Punk should have tried a wild spinning backfist.
If he lands it on any level, he looks better than Sonnen.
If he lands it on any level, he looks better than Sonnen.
That's Punk's fault for trying to break the glass ceiling. If he was more like Heath Slater the life wouldn't have been sucked out of him!
Punk could have been the first person to win via flying twister.
He's 38 and he looked like dogshit in his first fight. He's not going to be anyone's cash cow. The curiosity is over. He's not going to improve enough to compete at the professional level, he's too old and slow.
I can see him getting one more "Redemption Fight". He'll be a good draw again, but this time it'll be purely for the lulz. But after he gets that ass whooped again by another rookie, he's done.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm not talking about the safety aspect, I'm talking about selling people shit fights featuring undeserving, unprepared fighters. That's not something you want to be known for. It works in a one-time sort of thing, because you have the allure of the "unknown", but now that's gone. Everybody knows Punk has no business being in the octagon. Everybody knows that any 170 lb'er in the UFC (and probably anywhere else) would starch this guy. T The mystery is gone. How do you sell that? I think Dana knows this which is why he sounded the way he did when talking about Punk after the fight. He very much sounded like he was talking about someone who was not a UFC fighter. Maybe UFC throws him on a free Fox card or something, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was done.
Haunted
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Spot on.the beauty of fake sports is they could say punk has been training non stop... and then they can book him to look like his training meant something. they can do a documentary of him training, and have it culminate in a big moment for him. that makes him look strong. unlike ufc, where training non stop for two years can result in...
I usually don't look for these, but seeing how I don't really know the WWE or where to find fan reactions, I looked up a Youtube vid of a CM Punk fan recording herself watching the fight.
She was super hyped before the fight, and even after the initial takedown, you could really tell that she was just waiting for CM Punk to turn the tables and get his big moment, conditioned to expect the back and forth of WWE matches, where every fighter gets some good shots in and an equal opportunity to show their stuff, only going down after a brave fight.
You could tell that she was visibly disappointed that a real fight just... ended completely one-sided like that, like she didn't even consider that as a possibility.
People forget that Bellator was interested in signing Phil, and UFC likely signed him defensively.
I think the most likely outcome is he signs on for a season of TUF. Surround him with a cast of jobbers, let him work everyone into a shoot for episodes on end, blood feud with someone on another PPV. Easy money.
I think there is still a market for a redemption fight and what heel posted below.
That is a brilliant idea. It gets him on TV for a full season and focuses on how he actually trains plus you get to see what he is like around other fighters. Plus it gets eyes on TUF.
Ninja Scooter
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Make him one of the coaches.
"Alright team, listen up! Did you see what I did in UFC 203? Don't do that."
Ninja Scooter
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I'm not saying there isn't money to be made with Punk, just depends on his contract situation with the UFC. If they are paying him a lot, they might decide he's not a big enough draw to warrant the contract. If he agrees to do TV or take less money I can see them using him again.
500k and points after some threshold of PPV buys, likely. I'm sure he's worth the flat fee and any gravy on top.
Think he'll do the show for one of those sweet custom Harleys, breh?
the problem is that anything other than a tuf whose gimmick is a house full of people without any prior combat sports experience and punk doesnt make it either.
and the only way ufc could put punk on again with a real fight is if they hand picked a guy with even less experience and promise than gall. otherwise youre watching to see cm punk die. ufc cant get away with that, and cm punk's loss in drawing power the second time out wont make it worth the trouble.
and the only way ufc could put punk on again with a real fight is if they hand picked a guy with even less experience and promise than gall. otherwise youre watching to see cm punk die. ufc cant get away with that, and cm punk's loss in drawing power the second time out wont make it worth the trouble.
Some interesting posts in there
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Put Ryback Alan Reeves in the house with him
I've always said Celebrity Boxing should come back in MMA form. This is their chance.
Green Ranger is willing for the free bed and food alone.
Punk to be first inductee into celebrity wing of UFC.
Make it a house fill of amateurs.
One side MMA fans the other side wrestling fans. Have a scene where the wrestling fans realize they can't call spots and a scene with the MMA fans where they realize that a tapout via boston crab can happen.
gall is so optimistic, happy and positive, really damn annoying. hope he gets beat up.
i hope cm punk will be able to fight in the UFC again, against a pure striker. im guessing ground game is a lot harder to learn than standup so that's why gall took him down, since his advantage is larger there and he didn't want punk to have a chance.
i hope cm punk will be able to fight in the UFC again, against a pure striker. im guessing ground game is a lot harder to learn than standup so that's why gall took him down, since his advantage is larger there and he didn't want punk to have a chance.
Have you seen CM Punk throw a punch though? It's not pretty, at all.
mercenar1e
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did anyone see this video? Booker T trashing CM Punk hahahah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hnm7nNjjSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hnm7nNjjSs
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Seems like a levelheaded young dude to me.
By the way, Gall was being instinctual based on his training.
He would have murdered Punk standing.
green ranger is a shoe in
my mind jumped to mario lopez when you said celebrity boxing, but mario would look like ggg in there. too qualified.
maybe its time anthony kiedis went from cage side to inside.
"we went to every message board online and found 16 of the most angry trolls on the internet. Now we will put them in the octagon and the winner gets to fight noted angry interneter CM Punk"
lmao
pizzaparty
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CM Punk fighting a striker would lead to him fracturing his skull. Gall did him a favor by taking it to the ground and slapping on an RNC.
He isn't good enough for them to take him on.
Plus Punk would get destroyed in the sparing sessions at a Winklejohn.
Maybe DC would try and help him at AKA but I'm sure he doesn't want to vouch for somebody like Punk unless maybe Brock asked him to help.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Gall's got a much longer way to go to get to that status, not how it works.
mercenar1e
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he has 2 years of training in a world where 7+ years is considered as a true beginner. he can go to any of the gyms and he would still be man handled by everyone in the UFC.
I agree but didn't even know Woodley had gone there. Honestly the guy is so talented and such a great athlete that they really don't have to do much -- he's been top-contender level for years. I feel like these camps take dudes on just for the money and exposure sometimes. Like, I haven't really seen any of that patented Jackson Strategy in Overeem, who looked like he was fighting on three concussions strategy-wise the moment that fight started.
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