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Hugare

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Havent read all the 5 pages, but just be happy by yourself

I have a girlfriend today, but I spent many years alone and I was totaly fine

Having a relationship shouldnt be seen as something to tick off your list. If it happens, it happens. If it doesnt, fuck it, you have friends and family.

And even if you dont have family and friends, just find ways to enjoy life on your own.

Btw, doesnt matter if you are ugly. If you have charisma and you are confident, it shows, especially to girls.

Work on improving yourself and the world will notice it, believe me. But dont expect them to. Do it for yourself.
 
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bbmcgee

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Havent read all the 5 pages, but just be happy by yourself

I have a girlfriend today, but I spent many years alone and I was totaly fine

Having a relationship shouldnt be seen as something to tick off your list. If it happens, it happens. If it doesnt, fuck it, you have friends and family.

And even if you dont have family and friends, just find ways to enjoy life on your own.

Btw, doesnt matter if you are ugly. If you have charisma and you are confident, it shows, especially to girls.

Work on improving yourself and the world will notice it, believe me. But dont expect them to. Do it for yourself.

' who cares if you spend your entire life alone bro be happy'

Like, yea obviously wouldnt it be great if we were all happy as sexless virgins, but the reality is for most people, this is a big part of life without which life becomes very meaningless and dull at best and at worst isnt even worth living.

I'm absolutely not going to be happy as I get older completely alone. To be clear, I would check myself out. Friends exist but it just changes as you get older, your 20s arent the same as your 40s. and I have almost no family especially once my parents are gone.

So, while I appreciate where you're coming from, if we're being honest we can agree its not fair to tell anyone to just be happy living and dying a lonely virgin that never had a family.
 
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Kenpachii

Member
I've said this a few times, I obviously wasnt born thinking about it this way. Decades of rejection take a toll. You can't then say the resulting feelings/attitude I have from all those years, was actually the cause. That's impossible. Some of you are just going out of your way to try to shit on me instead of admit, sometimes, life isn't fair and not everyone can get what they want. Which is pretty obvious but when it comes dating, a lot of people refuse to say this.

I dont bother trying to date anymore, because in decades of trying it never worked. Nobody is ever interested in me. I stopped asking women out a few years ago because it never worked. At some point there's no point.

To do list saturday:

1) Go to club/bar one: ask atleast 10 girls out in club one
2) Go to club/bar two: ask atleast 10 girls out in club two
3) go to club/bar three: aks atleast 10 girls out in club three
4) go to club/bar four, ask atleast 10 girls out in club four
5) go to club/bar five, ask atleast 10 girls out in club five.

To do list sunday:

hobby whatever u can find / painting clubs / needling etc join it, get into contact with people and participate.
Club/bar 2: repeat

Side quests for the week.

1) start making friends, start go around in your neightbourhood or whatever else. Get into contact with them. After a few weeks u start to drop some hints for people that u are single and search somebody but u are shit at dating if they have any idea what to do.

2) start participating in activity's outside of your house / work at locations where often woman are found. Free work / paid work / or just helping your neightbour hood.
Update requirements:

Take whatever u can get, and start to see if u can form interests with that person.

Go in therapy: and get some dating advice. Start to talk to random woman about how u can improve yourself for the dating scene, woman love to help.

Report back in a year with results.

But instead all u do is "fuck i give up"

.......how many years do I have to do it before I'm allowed to come to any conclusions?

U never give up, because its the most important shit u can do in your life. Your work comes and goes, your wife stays with you and kids will carry your legacy.

This is something that should be hardcoded into your brain since the moment u become a adult.
 
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DrFigs

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The vast majority of people date their own race. The vast majority of non black women arent interested in black men. Chasing women of other races has a very bad return for us.

White men dont understand this because they are deemed the standard of beauty and arent very often rejected for this reason. But most non-black women arent attracted to black men. And the ones that are, have a lot better options than someone that looks like me.
You've clearly already made up your mind about this, but I think women and people in general are more open minded than you're suggesting here. I am sorry that you haven't had success though in this area of your life. But idk if focusing on statistics is helpful - it probably only serves to make you more depressed and self-hate.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
To do list saturday:

1) Go to club/bar one: ask atleast 10 girls out in club one
2) Go to club/bar two: ask atleast 10 girls out in club two
3) go to club/bar three: aks atleast 10 girls out in club three
4) go to club/bar four, ask atleast 10 girls out in club four
5) go to club/bar five, ask atleast 10 girls out in club five.

To do list sunday:

hobby whatever u can find / painting clubs / needling etc join it, get into contact with people and participate.
Club/bar 2: repeat

Side quests for the week.

1) start making friends, start go around in your neightbourhood or whatever else. Get into contact with them. After a few weeks u start to drop some hints for people that u are single and search somebody but u are shit at dating if they have any idea what to do.

2) start participating in activity's outside of your house / work at locations where often woman are found. Free work / paid work / or just helping your neightbour hood.
Update requirements:

Take whatever u can get, and start to see if u can form interests with that person.

Go in therapy: and get some dating advice. Start to talk to random woman about how u can improve yourself for the dating scene, woman love to help.

Report back in a year with results.

But instead all u do is "fuck i give up"



U never give up, because its the most important shit u can do in your life. Your work comes and goes, your wife stays with you and kids will carry your legacy.

This is something that should be hardcoded into your brain since the moment u become a adult.
Appreciate this list, but its easy to say 'never give up' when it isnt you. But you giving me all this list, literally looks crazy. I would be a complete idiot to do any of that, as if I've the past decades of my life has taught me nothing. I've done that list for decades with no results. Why do I need to do it for 1 more?


It would be liike telling a 50 yr old man to go try out for the NFL because its his dream. Its psychotic and doesnt fit reality man.
 
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bbmcgee

Banned
You've clearly already made up your mind about this, but I think women and people in general are more open minded than you're suggesting here. I am sorry that you haven't had success though in this area of your life. But idk if focusing on statistics is helpful - it probably only serves to make you more depressed and self-hate.

The statistics put into context my situation, thats all. Anyone with two brain cells would do it. If you're out a job, it would help to understand the greater state of the economy so you understand your situation better, rather than ignore the facts.

Attraction isnt something you have a mind about. Women are nice to me. They just arent attracted. I'm not calling anyone a bad person for simply not being attracted to me.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
You don´t know what makes you unique and what other qualities you have?

Oh myself? I'm just a regular guy. Maybe the only thing that might standout to someone is that I went to an ivy league school, so they may assume I'm particularly smart, which I'm not but whatever.
 

Puscifer

Member
Best advice I can give is be yourself, cut out the bullshit and social media.

Meet in person, look at each other in the eyes for a start.
100% what happened in my current relationship, we met mutually at a damn improv show we participated in just to kill time. I feel zero ways that maybe we're love drunk, maybe not, but it's great we're both house broken and out of relationships that were driven by physically and mentally abusive narcissist that drained us so a level of tolerance in what we will and won't tolerate going forward was great. We've even had some arguments that shockingly, ya know, have resolutions instead of long term drawn out fights for days.

I don't care what anyone says, he's a keeper and I feel incredibly special to call him not only my friend but my partner.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
.......how many years do I have to do it before I'm allowed to come to any conclusions?

Allowed? You can can come to whatever conclusion you want whenever you want. I'm just telling you that your conclusion is flawed because you are exhibiting signs of confirmation bias and self-catastrophizing your own situation. You are incredibly pessimistic about each piece of advice you get in this thread and interpret it badly which further exacerbates your negative spiral.

You're not the first person I've seen do this, and you won't be the last. I just hope you wake the fuck up and realize that the world is a lot bigger and more diverse than you give it credit for. The path to self improvement is an arduous one, but I've seen successes. If you need a clue, the failures are the ones who are doing what you are doing right now.

They didn't teach you any proper troubleshooting flowcharts at that ivy league school you went to?
 

bbmcgee

Banned
Ah mods making fun of me I guess with the name tag?

Only lonely men get bullied like this with absolutely zero empathy
 

winjer

Gold Member
Don't worry mate, throughout most of human history, only 50-40% of males have reproduced.
Sometimes it went a low as only one man per 17 women.
Between women cheating, war and dangerous jobs causing high male mortality, it has been very bad for most men.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
Allowed? You can can come to whatever conclusion you want whenever you want. I'm just telling you that your conclusion is flawed because you are exhibiting signs of confirmation bias and self-catastrophizing your own situation. You are incredibly pessimistic about each piece of advice you get in this thread and interpret it badly which further exacerbates your negative spiral.

You're not the first person I've seen do this, and you won't be the last. I just hope you wake the fuck up and realize that the world is a lot bigger and more diverse than you give it credit for. The path to self improvement is an arduous one, but I've seen successes. If you need a clue, the failures are the ones who are doing what you are doing right now.

They didn't teach you any proper troubleshooting flowcharts at that ivy league school you went to?

Conclusions based on decades of experience isn't confirmation bias.
Being alone your entire life IS a catastrophy.
Anyone would be pessimistic if they got rejected for decades and nothing they did made a difference.

the advice is nothing I haven't done and tried before for years and it didnt work. So, why do you expect me to say 'oh man, I never thought of going to a bar before!!'.

And yes, I understand how to troubleshoot. The answer to this situation has very clearly been 'nothing you do makes a difference because of several factors mainly you're very short and ugly and women *gasp* dont like short ugly men.

Shocking I know.
 
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bbmcgee

Banned
Don't worry mate, throughout most of human history, only 50-40% of males have reproduced.
Sometimes it went a low as only one man per 17 women.
Between women cheating, war and dangerous jobs causing high male mortality, it has been very bad for most men.
I cited this fact earlier in the thread and someone denied it.

There's so much denial about the truth around this issue and its fucking weird.
 

winjer

Gold Member
I cited this fact earlier in the thread and someone denied it.

There's so much denial about the truth around this issue and its fucking weird.

It's hard to believe, but it's a scientific fact that only half the men ever reproduced.

So a few years ago I was working with an engineer and his mother worked at an hospital, where she was a nurse and tested blood for bone marrow transplants.
This meant that a lot of sons and daughters were blood tested to see if the blood type was compatible.
That nurse was not authorized to disclose such information, but she could tell when a father was not the real father in several cases.
Her estimation was that around 1/3 of men were not the real fathers. At the time, I dismissed it as being non-sense.
Such a high number is very hard to believe. But many years later, I stumbled on scientific articles that showed through DNA analysis, that only 1/2 of men ever reproduced. On average. Sometimes it went much lower.
 
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I’m, for the most part, happily married, and we just had a kid a few months ago. So I kind of feel a bit qualified to offer an opinion.

I haven’t had many girlfriends, because I used to have terrible self worth/esteem issues because in Highschool I got rejected by every girl I attempted to ask out. So I thought I was unattractive. Also watching porn made me think my dick was inadequate, and those two things coupled with being poor made me have huge self worth issues, so I thought no girl would want anything to do with me.

I think a lot of young men go through a similar thing nowadays. I used to not even bother interacting with girls/women, even through college. But looking back I feel like that was a waste, because you really you need to put yourself out there.

I ended up finding in retrospect that girls didn’t like me in Highschool because I wore dirty sweatshirts all the time and didn’t care about my appearance. After Highschool, when I started doing more things for myself I noticed girls started to say I was attractive. I still had issues talking with them because I figured they’d hate that I played video games or that I didn’t have a car.

Really I needed to get my act together, but it took my first girlfriend dumping me for a guy with a car/money to see that what I really needed to do was improve my own situation before looking for someone else to add to it. So I bought a car, got my own apartment, and started going to the gym.

Eventually I met my wife and we’ve been together for a while. We’re not rich but we both work hard and support each other so it’s worked out.

So I think it’s two things. You need to better yourself for your own sake; so that you’ll be financially and physically healthy regardless of if you’re single or not. Being secure in those areas will give you an inner confidence that people, and more specifically women, can sense.

Secondly, getting over the fear of rejection and talking to women is the biggest hurdle. I suggest talking with girls/women that you’re not even interested in. I’ve done it a bunch of times before. Since you’re not interested, you have no expectations for how you’d want it to go, therefore you’ll talk much more naturally and and won’t be nervous. If she ends up being into you then you have the options to pursue or not. Then since you have practice it’s easier to talk to women you’re actually interested in.

In addition, talking to a bunch of different women (while you’re single) is good because if they know you’re already talking to other women, then that could make you more attractive as women usually want a guy that other women already see some sort of worth in.

That being said, once you’re in a committed relationship, I would lower the amount of women you have long conversation/contact with, so as to not make your SO potentially jealous. Though that may depend on person to person. My wife gets jealous haha.

Sorry if that’s a wall of text but I’ve been there man so I hope it helps.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Conclusions based on decades of experience isn't confirmation bias.
Being alone your entire life IS a catastrophy.
Anyone would be pessimistic if they got rejected for decades and nothing they did made a difference.

Your personal, highly filtered experience, clouded by seeing what you conditioned yourself to see.

the advice is nothing I haven't done and tried before for years and it didnt work. So, why do you expect me to say 'oh man, I never thought of going to a bar before!!'.

I don't expect that because that's not what I told you. Yet another sign you're not listening and are wallowing in your own self imposed echo chamber.

And yes, I understand how to troubleshoot. The answer to this situation has very clearly been 'nothing you do makes a difference because of several factors mainly you're very short and ugly and women *gasp* dont like short ugly men.

Short and ugly men have a disadvantage, but romantic relationships don't need that as a foundational structure. Short and ugly men can get women. It's a fact and you refuse to see it. I'm not about to tell all my short and ugly homies out there that their existence and their hard work is a lie because some dude on a videogame forum can't figure it out for himself.

Shocking I know.

Thank you for providing more evidence for my assessment of your situation.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
I'm a lonely man and haven't got a tag nor had the mods bully me.

Because I don't moan about it endlessly on a gaming forum.

Well people attacked me, and I responded. I asked who else felt this way, and got attacked by people who dont know me telling me I'm a shitty person.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
Your personal, highly filtered experience, clouded by seeing what you conditioned yourself to see.



I don't expect that because that's not what I told you. Yet another sign you're not listening and are wallowing in your own self imposed echo chamber.



Short and ugly men have a disadvantage, but romantic relationships don't need that as a foundational structure. Short and ugly men can get women. It's a fact and you refuse to see it. I'm not about to tell all my short and ugly homies out there that their existence and their hard work is a lie because some dude on a videogame forum can't figure it out for himself.



Thank you for providing more evidence for my assessment of your situation.

....My personal experience is, if nothing else, relevant to my personal experience. Why would I ignore the results I've gotten my entire life because joe blow stranger on GAF told me something that isnt true?

I didnt say go tell all your short and ugly friends anything. I think everyone should try for themselves and see what happens. But the results speak for themselves https://news.iu.edu/live/news/26924-nearly-1-in-3-young-men-in-the-us-report-having-no
 

Tams

Member
Well people attacked me, and I responded. I asked who else felt this way, and got attacked by people who dont know me telling me I'm a shitty person.

Cope U Mad GIF by Pudgy Memez
 

bbmcgee

Banned
I’m, for the most part, happily married, and we just had a kid a few months ago. So I kind of feel a bit qualified to offer an opinion.

I haven’t had many girlfriends, because I used to have terrible self worth/esteem issues because in Highschool I got rejected by every girl I attempted to ask out. So I thought I was unattractive. Also watching porn made me think my dick was inadequate, and those two things coupled with being poor made me have huge self worth issues, so I thought no girl would want anything to do with me.

I think a lot of young men go through a similar thing nowadays. I used to not even bother interacting with girls/women, even through college. But looking back I feel like that was a waste, because you really you need to put yourself out there.

I ended up finding in retrospect that girls didn’t like me in Highschool because I wore dirty sweatshirts all the time and didn’t care about my appearance. After Highschool, when I started doing more things for myself I noticed girls started to say I was attractive. I still had issues talking with them because I figured they’d hate that I played video games or that I didn’t have a car.

Really I needed to get my act together, but it took my first girlfriend dumping me for a guy with a car/money to see that what I really needed to do was improve my own situation before looking for someone else to add to it. So I bought a car, got my own apartment, and started going to the gym.

Eventually I met my wife and we’ve been together for a while. We’re not rich but we both work hard and support each other so it’s worked out.

So I think it’s two things. You need to better yourself for your own sake; so that you’ll be financially and physically healthy regardless of if you’re single or not. Being secure in those areas will give you an inner confidence that people, and more specifically women, can sense.

Secondly, getting over the fear of rejection and talking to women is the biggest hurdle. I suggest talking with girls/women that you’re not even interested in. I’ve done it a bunch of times before. Since you’re not interested, you have no expectations for how you’d want it to go, therefore you’ll talk much more naturally and and won’t be nervous. If she ends up being into you then you have the options to pursue or not. Then since you have practice it’s easier to talk to women you’re actually interested in.

In addition, talking to a bunch of different women (while you’re single) is good because if they know you’re already talking to other women, then that could make you more attractive as women usually want a guy that other women already see some sort of worth in.

That being said, once you’re in a committed relationship, I would lower the amount of women you have long conversation/contact with, so as to not make your SO potentially jealous. Though that may depend on person to person. My wife gets jealous haha.

Sorry if that’s a wall of text but I’ve been there man so I hope it helps.

I appreciate the long post, and glad you're in good situation.

Your situation is how its supposed to work. Get yourself together and then at least some women bite.

There's a lot of men right now however finding that this isnt happening, including me. I do all those things, nothing changes, and then its like........what are you supposed to do.
 
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Trunx81

Member
At least you got a great pickup line in “I’m so small, my dick appears even bigger” 🫣😉

Last advice I can give you:
Always be respectful to women.
And to yourself.

and read “The Game” by Neil Strauss 😉
 

Sleepwalker

Member
Where do you live OP? And how short are you? The way you make it out to be you live in a land of tall vikings and you are tyrion from game of thrones.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
I’m, for the most part, happily married, and we just had a kid a few months ago. So I kind of feel a bit qualified to offer an opinion.

I haven’t had many girlfriends, because I used to have terrible self worth/esteem issues because in Highschool I got rejected by every girl I attempted to ask out. So I thought I was unattractive. Also watching porn made me think my dick was inadequate, and those two things coupled with being poor made me have huge self worth issues, so I thought no girl would want anything to do with me.

I think a lot of young men go through a similar thing nowadays. I used to not even bother interacting with girls/women, even through college. But looking back I feel like that was a waste, because you really you need to put yourself out there.

I ended up finding in retrospect that girls didn’t like me in Highschool because I wore dirty sweatshirts all the time and didn’t care about my appearance. After Highschool, when I started doing more things for myself I noticed girls started to say I was attractive. I still had issues talking with them because I figured they’d hate that I played video games or that I didn’t have a car.

Really I needed to get my act together, but it took my first girlfriend dumping me for a guy with a car/money to see that what I really needed to do was improve my own situation before looking for someone else to add to it. So I bought a car, got my own apartment, and started going to the gym.

Eventually I met my wife and we’ve been together for a while. We’re not rich but we both work hard and support each other so it’s worked out.

So I think it’s two things. You need to better yourself for your own sake; so that you’ll be financially and physically healthy regardless of if you’re single or not. Being secure in those areas will give you an inner confidence that people, and more specifically women, can sense.

Secondly, getting over the fear of rejection and talking to women is the biggest hurdle. I suggest talking with girls/women that you’re not even interested in. I’ve done it a bunch of times before. Since you’re not interested, you have no expectations for how you’d want it to go, therefore you’ll talk much more naturally and and won’t be nervous. If she ends up being into you then you have the options to pursue or not. Then since you have practice it’s easier to talk to women you’re actually interested in.

In addition, talking to a bunch of different women (while you’re single) is good because if they know you’re already talking to other women, then that could make you more attractive as women usually want a guy that other women already see some sort of worth in.

That being said, once you’re in a committed relationship, I would lower the amount of women you have long conversation/contact with, so as to not make your SO potentially jealous. Though that may depend on person to person. My wife gets jealous haha.

Sorry if that’s a wall of text but I’ve been there man so I hope it helps.
Guy is a lost cause who just wants a pity party I gave him the anecdote of my friend with 3rd degree burns on his face who is married with a kid
 
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bbmcgee

Banned
Don't limit yourself by your height.
This guy was a skinny 5' 5" and became one of the highest awarded heroes of WW2.
Dude was such a bad ass, he would make Rambo look like a pussy.

3utFnbm.jpg

Badass man but this has no relevance to me lol. I didnt say I cant accomplish anything in life cause i'm short. just no luck with women.
 

winjer

Gold Member
Badass man but this has no relevance to me lol. I didnt say I cant accomplish anything in life cause i'm short. just no luck with women.

This dude then became a movie star and a national hero.
You can be sure he got plenty of women.

If you accomplish things in life, women will start noticing you. Just not super models.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
This dude then became a movie star and a national hero.
You can be sure he got plenty of women.

If you accomplish things in life, women will start noticing you. Just not super models.

Well I'm an ordinary man. I agree if I was a movie star or national hero things would change but that isnt going to happen. I'm just an ordinary man.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
You need therapy get help or don't and continue with your pity party.
Ahh, the siren song of therapy.

Therapy can help with a lot of things, but I dont think it can change how I feel about being alone my entire life. I actually did try it for awhile 2 summers ago. It was the biggest waste of time, because all it really amounted to is 'you have to accept the situation', which I do but it still sucks.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
Ahh, the siren song of therapy.

Therapy can help with a lot of things, but I dont think it can change how I feel about being alone my entire life. I actually did try it for awhile 2 summers ago. It was the biggest waste of time, because all it really amounted to is 'you have to accept the situation', which I do but it still sucks.
Not therapy for how you feel about being alone. Therapy that will change your negativity and mindset toward women and dating
 
Guy is a lost cause who just wants a pity party I gave him the anecdote of my friend with 3rd degree burns on his face who is married with a kid
Well then.

B bbmcgee
I think you should worry less about statistics and worry more about not becoming one, if you’re that unhappy about it.

Just keep trying. Being negative like this will only create an echo chamber in your head that gets you nowhere. Again I’m coming from experience. That’s all I’m gonna say.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
Not therapy for how you feel about being alone. Therapy that will change your negativity and mindset toward women and dating

My therapist didnt start there goofball.

We went through everything, and we did excercises, and we ended up at a place where they agreed that it makes complete sense how I felt about that given my experiences(as I've said here a million times).

From there we focused on the REALITY that I may very well be alone and that acceptance of that situation is required for me to go forward.

My therapist didnt bullshit me. They said it as it is, which works for me.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
My therapist didnt start there goofball.

We went through everything, and we did excercises, and we ended up at a place where they agreed that it makes complete sense how I felt about that given my experiences(as I've said here a million times).

From there we focused on the REALITY that I may very well be alone and that acceptance of that situation is required for me to go forward.

My therapist didnt bullshit me. They said it as it is, which works for me.
So you're therapist said you're a lost cause? That's wild.
 

John Bilbo

Member
Accepting one's lot in life is hard. It can even cause severe depression. In the end sometimes acceptance is the only way through though.

Well, you beat me to it.
 

bbmcgee

Banned
Well then.

B bbmcgee
I think you should worry less about statistics and worry more about not becoming one, if you’re that unhappy about it.

Just keep trying. Being negative like this will only create an echo chamber in your head that gets you nowhere. Again I’m coming from experience. That’s all I’m gonna say.

I dont worry about statistics, but it provides better context for my situation than anecdotes from stangers online.

Trying is a waste of time for me, just no return. If I happen to run into someone that likes me, I'll go from there but I'm planning on just being alone at this point.
 

John Bilbo

Member
From there we focused on the REALITY that I may very well be alone and that acceptance of that situation is required for me to go forward.
This is good. As counter active it may seem accepting the worst possible outcome and looking your fears willingly straight in the eye will set you eventually free.
 
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