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WTF is going on with FF Type-0?
- Thread starter Castor Krieg
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They should have dropped $12 million on Final Fantasy.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Blame Christmas. I'm the only one pushing for anything to get done. Despite having no Japanese knowledge whatsoever.
And finals. This isn't exactly priority one on most people's lists at the moment.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Ayup.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Or Square's list
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I keep bothering Corvo with his Chinese buddy and he hasn't gotten back to him yet about that.
I suppose I could do a few more pages of the Codex this weekend. It's a little unwieldy working with screenshots; if only we had a text dump. ...of course, if that were obtainable technically, fan-translating this game would be a whole lot easier...
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Take your time. I know you have work.
If we got a text dump that would be great but encryption has prevented that from occurring.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Square doesn't have final exams to write/mark like the rest of us do.
This.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
One could say that A Realm Reborn could be Square's final exam. :3
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Don't you mean E-Shop?
If an English fan translation actually drops before any official announcement from SE, It might actually be the final straw that get's me to install CFW. I've stayed on official firmware the entire time I've owned a PSP, and the only reason I'd drop it is for fan translations.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I got CFW when I found that screencapturing stuff for cool game wallpapers could be used to capture the JP text.
And unofficial Duodecim DLC is pretty cool.
D
Deleted member 20920
Unconfirmed Member
Version 2.0 of the translation was released in Dec last year so that took about 2 months. They released a 3.0 just in Oct I believe. I'm not too sure how large their team is but probably about 10. They're usually very efficient with translations, releasing an average of 5 to 7 per year.
I wanted to pm the person who is in charge of doing decryption and coding but the forum uses a complex system of levels and points and I don't have PM rights yet.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I wonder if they've studied enough considering they completely bombed the midterm!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Sounds like my TCP/IP class where I literally missed my midterm. Gonna have to retake it down the road.
Well, I will say that they won't get an A average no matter how hard they try. lol.
If you are looking for some how the game files work direction, I remember that a spanish romhacker (whose nickname is SkyBladeCloud) worked on type-0 a few months ago, but didn't translate anything since Operation Suzaku members didn't want to, and there was almost no interest in translating, but waiting for S-E to localize the game.
I asked him about this, and he answered me (which I'm posting here since he doesn't have a gaf account and the validation process is pretty long).
He's been the main programmer in a LOT of spanish translations for almost every system, and took about 20 minutes to write spanish text in the ingame commands (the link is down, so I can't post it here).
Hope this is enough information to start working, and if not, I'll ask him.
I asked him about this, and he answered me (which I'm posting here since he doesn't have a gaf account and the validation process is pretty long).
He's been the main programmer in a LOT of spanish translations for almost every system, and took about 20 minutes to write spanish text in the ingame commands (the link is down, so I can't post it here).
Hope this is enough information to start working, and if not, I'll ask him.
SkyBladeCloud said:To begin with, the ISO. We all know the PSP modus operandi, huh?Once opened, we see two files, typical in S-E. If I'm not mistaken, their names were Yellow(with different extensions). The big one includes all the game files, whereas the little one defines the file system format, and delimits which sectors of the big one correspond to the different unpacked files.
Using both Yellow, the file system format can be unpacked. The format is the same used in The 3rd Birthday, it's pretty simple, since the table scheme is:
[information about the file system format, somewhat irrelevant]
[number of packed files]
-Then, for each file
[sector in which it is localized]
[size]
[extra information we should not care about]
Problem: What's the point of unpacking, if we have a huge amount of incomprehensible files? Well, it's all based on investgation!
The graphic files are encoded to ARBG8888 and indexed to 8 bits (256 colours) with resolution on the header and PSP interlaced. This should be enough to edit any image (font included)
The sound files are ADPCM stream packages, a which generates 4 bit for every 16. The header is SSCF (the same as dissidia, 3rd birthday, etc).
Of course, there's a lot of AT3 audio, pretty common in PSP.
Likewise, the video stream are in an inoffensive PMF format (MPEG2 with custom structure, but there are lots of tools for these).
Getting deeper on the system files. These (which includes 3d models and story text) are packed. It's like the Yellow file was the main directory of the game, and the extracted files, subdirectories, so we have to keep unpacking. It's easy. Every little package has:
[number of packed files]
-For each file:
[Offset and a size]
[and ID]
With this information, exctracting them is trivial. What's important is the ID. The one we're interested on is the one named lang, which includes the story texts. Obviously, these texts cannot be read/edited at first. THEY ARE NEITHER COMPRESSED NOR ENCRYPTED. They just use a custom coding. Each character is 16 bits (like UTF16), and the pointers are after the thext.
The idea would be decoding the text. What S-E uses to do (FFI, FFII, FFIV, T3B, VP, SO and many other psp games), is change each character, for its font possition. So, given this font:
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
The characters would be encoded this way (16 bits):
000100020003000400050006000700080009000a000b000c000d000e000f0010001100120013001400150016001700180019001a001b001c001d001e001f0020002100220023
With this and using the pointers (which I haven't investigated deeply), the story could be easily modified.
Misc. and menus remain, which are at 8 bits and are way more accesible, though they use 16 bits pointers and we should, either economize them, or translating them would be a mess. Of course, once the story text has been accessed, these should be insanely easy.
In conclussion, it's a wonder the game hasn't been translated to eight billion languages: there are pretty much more complicated games that are translated, and I think people who know how this works, care less about this game than S-E does.
Hope this is helpful to somebody.
~Sky
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Interesting. But I know nothing about code.
clay_ghost
Member
I found the link to ACG webpage and forum. but there are download files inside, the forum is mostly threads asking ACG to translate more games. Should i post it here? Hmm seems like ACG never really reply in the forum.......
ACG are gody they translated FF type 0 , shining blade ,zelda skyward swords ,super paper mario, fire emblem,st ranker etc. Total 27 (!) games this year over 3 platforms (ds , wii , psp) in 2012 only . Most are text heavy games, and from what i read online and from the pictures , the translations are really good.
edit:
lol respect.
They took 3 months to break and translate the game 01/18 patch released.
2 hacker/cracker:　 破解：ＴＰＵ、刘泪
one art touch up 　美工：狐狐
　14(!) translators 　翻译：ＯＳ、狐狐、大河上下、野田猫、届かぬ心、斯林、ＳＥＮＧＯＫＵ、
　　　　 ＧＵＵＵＵＵ、神無月時雨、Nerv、Wangwxb、毛绒绒蘑菇、Angel风/yl、丁一
　　3 special thanks: 特别鸣谢：巴士专题组超铃音、大A
　　　　　　　繁体版协力阿柏
ACG are gody they translated FF type 0 , shining blade ,zelda skyward swords ,super paper mario, fire emblem,st ranker etc. Total 27 (!) games this year over 3 platforms (ds , wii , psp) in 2012 only . Most are text heavy games, and from what i read online and from the pictures , the translations are really good.
edit:
lol respect.
They took 3 months to break and translate the game 01/18 patch released.
2 hacker/cracker:　 破解：ＴＰＵ、刘泪
one art touch up 　美工：狐狐
　14(!) translators 　翻译：ＯＳ、狐狐、大河上下、野田猫、届かぬ心、斯林、ＳＥＮＧＯＫＵ、
　　　　 ＧＵＵＵＵＵ、神無月時雨、Nerv、Wangwxb、毛绒绒蘑菇、Angel风/yl、丁一
　　3 special thanks: 特别鸣谢：巴士专题组超铃音、大A
　　　　　　　繁体版协力阿柏
Ripped by SkyBladeCloud (he seems to be making more advances fastest than I had expected)
Some constants of the game...:
Some constants of the game...:
Code:
IFRIT,0x00012
GOLEM,0x00013
SIVA,0x00014
ODIN,0x00015
DIABOLOS,0x00016
BAHAMUT,0x00017
GILGAMESH,0x00011
IFRIT_A,0x00018
IFRIT_B,0x00019
IFRIT_C,0x0001a
IFRIT_D,0x0001b
IFRIT_E,0x0001c
GOLEM_A,0x0001d
GOLEM_B,0x0001e
GOLEM_C,0x0001f
GOLEM_D,0x00020
GOLEM_E,0x00021
SIVA_C,0x00022
SIVA_E,0x00023
ODIN_E,0x00024
ODIN_S,0x00025
DIABOLOS_C,0x00026
DIABOLOS_E,0x00027
BAHAMUT_E,0x00028
BAHAMUT_S,0x00029
BAHAMUT_P,0x0002a
VOLLEY,0x00005012
SUZAKU,0x00005241MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Summon Values.
Volley and Suzaku interest me.
GILGAMESH seemed to be a early summon suggestion but was ultimately dropped.
Suzaku is probably referring to Phoenix, planned as a summon at first but finally cut and recycled as the statue in front of Peristylium's main building.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Phoenix model is incomplete. As opposed to Nemesis(Original Summon), Typhon and Pandemona.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Possibly.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
No idear.
Yeah I don't think I saw it charting in Media Create threads, which is a bit of a shame really, especially considering the full release did around 750k ltd.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
More info on Skyblade's efforts can be found here.
He's looking for translators to garner whether helping out for Type 0 is worth the effort.
http://gbatemp.net/threads/final-fantasy-type-0-romhacking.340183/
Basically explains that the game uses a custom form of encoding as opposed to actual encryption.
I found it interesting.
He's looking for translators to garner whether helping out for Type 0 is worth the effort.
http://gbatemp.net/threads/final-fantasy-type-0-romhacking.340183/
Basically explains that the game uses a custom form of encoding as opposed to actual encryption.
I found it interesting.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Just found this out in Kotaku's interview with Xseed:
http://kotaku.com/5971695/the-game-...-neglected-japanese-games-new-life-in-america
I think we all know what this game is.
http://kotaku.com/5971695/the-game-...-neglected-japanese-games-new-life-in-america
I think we all know what this game is.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Mother 3?
A half dozen Tales of games?
It could be a multitude of things really.
Castor Krieg
Banned
This pisses me off:
Fact is, a group making progress on English translation will probably be the only thing that will make S-E release the game. Just get on it!
Any how many of them could've "shocked the industry"? Doubt anyone gives a damn about Tales and Mother 3. But Final Fantasy not published by S-E - that would've been something.
Fact is, a group making progress on English translation will probably be the only thing that will make S-E release the game. Just get on it!
Any how many of them could've "shocked the industry"? Doubt anyone gives a damn about Tales and Mother 3. But Final Fantasy not published by S-E - that would've been something.
Sounds liek type 0, but could be anythign really.
Father_Brain
Banned
Eh, there's a fair amount of hyperbole in that statement to begin with - would anything XSEED could possibly have announced, even Type-0, really have "shocked" the entire industry?
I'm guessing it was something from a company that has generally blocked external publishers from handling localizations (Nintendo, Square Enix, Namco with respect to the Tales franchise), but that still leaves a number of possibilities.