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it's happening.. korg dsn-12

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blu

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Remember korg ds-10/ds-10+? Turns out Detune released a sequel for the 3DS - KORG DSN-12 about two months ago!

Differences at a glance (all from youtube videos, as the eShop title is yet to hit this side of the pond - expected 25.09.2014):

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                    ds-10                                            ds-10+            dsn-12
channels:           6 (2 VCOs + 4 drums, i.e. reduced VCOs)          6                 12 full VCOs
decks:              1                                                2                 4
oscilloscope:       -                                                -                 wave, lissajous
package:            cart                                             dsi cart          3ds eshop

EXCITE!

ed: what do you know, here's the actual product page in English: http://www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/korg_dsn12/
 
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marianitten

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FirLocke

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So I'm interested in this Korg software, should I just buy the old one that is already on the eShop, this new one or both? Let me know which one(s) I should get if you can!
 
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blu

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FirLocke said:
So I'm interested in this Korg software, should I just buy the old one that is already on the eShop, this new one or both? Let me know which one(s) I should get if you can!
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Neither the original ds-10 nor the dsi-enhanced 10+ were ever released on dsiware/eShop. Actually, they're quite hard to find these days, and, well, expensive.
 
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dimb

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blu said:
Neither the original ds-10 nor the dsi-enhanced 10+ were ever released on dsiware/eShop. Actually, they're quite hard to find these days, and, well, expensive.
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I doubt I'd get more than $30 for the original Korg DS-10.
 
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Listonosh

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blu said:
Neither the original ds-10 nor the dsi-enhanced 10+ were ever released on dsiware/eShop. Actually, they're quite hard to find these days, and, well, expensive.
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I think he means the M01D. In which case I still don't really know the difference between that one and this new one.
 
blu

blu

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Listonosh said:
I think he means the M01D. In which case I still don't really know the difference between that one and this new one.
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KORG ds* series (ds-10 .. dsn-12) is an emu (with various enhancements) of an iconic analogue synth from the '70s - KORG MS-10. KORG M01D is a wavebank synth.
 
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FirLocke

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Yeah I meant the M01D. I'm highly uninformed about the M01D and this new Korg software, so I was wondering if I should get the M01D and this, or just one of them. Sorry for the confusion!
 
blu

blu

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Deadstar said:
Do you guys remember the 1up episode where they cover this? It's an awesome program.
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It's beyond awesome in skillful hands.

FirLocke said:
Yeah I meant the M01D. I'm highly uninformed about the M01D and this new Korg software, so I was wondering if I should get the M01D and this, or just one of them. Sorry for the confusion!
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Absolutely np, that confusion happens often : )

In a nutshell, wavebank synths are about creating tracks using preset instruments. Analogue/oscillator synths are about creating your sounds, and then creating tracks.
 
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orborborb

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FirLocke said:
Yeah I meant the M01D. I'm highly uninformed about the M01D and this new Korg software, so I was wondering if I should get the M01D and this, or just one of them. Sorry for the confusion!
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the M01D has classic preset sounds from the Korg M1 and O1/W synths (released in '87 and '91) and a sequencer, it's NOT for designing your own sounds. Because it is based on samples with limited synthesis, it has a greater variety of timbres, but less ability to change and twist the sounds over time.
 
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NumberThree

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Great to have this released here, wasn't expecting it so soon. I'll probably grab it to play with in bed/while traveling.

While they're going for MS-10 emulation I'm still not a fan of them referring to the components as VCO and VCF when they're obviously not ;)
 
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Mr_Appleby

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NumberThree said:
Great to have this released here, wasn't expecting it so soon. I'll probably grab it to play with in bed/while traveling.

While they're going for MS-10 emulation I'm still not a fan of them referring to the components as VCO and VCF when they're obviously not ;)
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ha yeah that kinda irks me too. will also probably pick it up, i liked the original though i wish there was a way to sync it up with external gear properly.

Doczu said:
Oh wow, they added a scat option for Miku... God, i need to get off the internet for some time...
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magnetic

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I´m having a ton of fun with M01D right now - it´s definitely the better option for people like me who don´t know much about synthesis and just want to mess around with fixed samples and sounds. I´m pretty amateurish with music creation, but I love wasting hours and hours on things like these regardless.

On the other hand, there are moments when I wish I could modify the presets in M01D more, so I guess I´m ready to dive into virtual analog synthesis a bit more again.

And it helps that I really love the music of sanodg. One of the first VGM composers I actively followed (along with Shinji Hosoe and other people from that scene).

The screens on the 3DS/XL are kinda small, but the stylus input works really well on these programs, along with the physical buttons. M01D was well worth the price and I´m sure DSN12 will be as well!
 
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_Ryo_

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Genuinely curious here, how do you use a piano-roll without multitouch?

How would you do chords? #Not a Musician.
 
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adroit

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_Ryo_ said:
Genuinely curious here, how do you use a piano-roll without multitouch?

How would you do chords? #Not a Musician.
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I've only used the M01D, which is a completely different type of product from the DSN 12. With the M01D, you can program chords by marking the notes (one at a time) directly on the piano roll itself. The M01D also has a "live" keyboard but you can play only one note at a time on that (I never use it...I just program stuff on the piano roll and let the M01D play it back for me).

I haven't used the DSN 12 (or its predecessors) so I can only take a stab at an answer: each of the 12 synths is monophonic (plays only one note at a time). So when you are controlling a particular synth you are playing only one note at a time. You get polyphony by layering multiple synths you've already programmed. If this answer is bogus, hopefully someone will correct me.
 
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blu

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adroit said:
I haven't used the DSN 12 (or its predecessors) so I can only take a stab at an answer: each of the 12 synths is monophonic (plays only one note at a time). So when you are controlling a particular synth you are playing only one note at a time. You get polyphony by layering multiple synths you've already programmed. If this answer is bogus, hopefully someone will correct me.
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There's also the fact that a single 'monotonic' channel (or synth) in DS(N)-10/12 actually consists of two oscillators. Those generally play the same tone (with regard to the tonal input - kbd, etc), but their frequencies can be de-tuned. So a single channel is not actually purely monotonic, in the same sense as FM sythesis is. And this is before applying the various filters & feedback loops, which further add polyphony.
 
blu

blu

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So I finally got the spare time to download dsn12 and actually test it.
First impression: detune have overhauled the sound engine. It sounds like a genuine analog synth now more than ever. Actually, I'm planning to 'port' some of my ds-10 tracks to the dsn - it's absolutely wort it.
 
blu

blu

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Ok, officially: shit is amazing. 12 channels of pure analogue sound, times 4 decks. All those nights i've been a channel short on the ds-10.. Feels like a kid in a candy store.

Bio-Frost said:
Wait its out already? Im at work and cant check.
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Been out in EU for two weeks now. I was just time-strapped these past two weeks so I could download it only today.

I haven't had this much fun with a (3)ds since I imported the original ds-10. I know that's not an option for you now, NA guys - you'll have to wait just a bit longer. But the wait is absolutely worth it. The new sound engine (which is of KORG's making, btw) is absolute bliss.
 
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radios shipping overview

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Sweeeeet, multiple tracks for patterns! Two FX busses! (plus a reverb bus?) Pattern chaining in scenes!

I finally recorded an ambient thing on DS-10+ the other day: https://soundcloud.com/ym2612/3-4a Its filter model is really quite nice, especially considering the hardware limitations. I can't wait to mess with DSN-12.

This crazy guy has got his FM technique pretty polished on DS-10. https://soundcloud.com/gxscchater I can't wait to hear how FM sounds on the new thing.
 
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Camjo-Z

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I've spent so much time making random tunes in WarioWare D.I.Y. that I think I'll have to grab this at some point.
 
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