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Nintendo full year financial results [23.2B yen loss, 3.6M Wii U/12M 3DS forecast]
- Thread starter zomgbbqftw
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Zeyphersan
Banned
The Wii U is never going to sell great. It's going to cap out at 15m and hopefully be a great learning tool for Nintendo: do the exact opposite thing hardware-wise.
Do you have a link to said numbers. I'll happily retract my statement if true, but just rattling off a list with no numbers or reference isn't the way to convince me.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Yup. Bandai and The Pokemon Company have made a fortune through the IP licensing model. I don't see why Nintendo could not try and emulate such a business model.
A further emphasis on downloadable titles (DLC, Season Passes
MK8 incoming
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm buying the MK8 bundle, I'm doing my part
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I think the burden of proof lies with the person who made the first incredulous statement...
6x 3.6M, wouldn't that be about what N64 and GC did? Sure they were announced dead too probably but Nintendo refused to let them die and eventually made money off of them.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Trying to downplay your crazy talk with "It wasn't full on crazy talk, it was just kinda crazy talk" is not very compelling, honestly.
They are similar levels of ridiculous. See couple posts above.
I'll just make an educated guess that what he is saying is nonsense then.
maybe a heatwave made his PC crash..? should be easy to back up those numbers,.,.
StreetsAhead
Member
The question isn't if Mario Kart is getting DLC, but when.
If they can sell over 1.5 million NSLU's, Mario Kart DLC could be a huge money spinner if done right (I like the Mario Golf model of courses + character and/or maybe new Kart items).
GardenSirens
Banned
I don't know why they didn't do season passes and more DLC sooner than they have been. Sure, it's great to release a game with everything we'll ever need, but gamers love new content and pay handsomely for it. Look at EA's Ultimate Team profits from the last fiscal year being I think 300 or 400 million dollars from just that part of their games. It's found money.
shinra-bansho
Member
"Anything is possible, so it could happen" falls into the same idiotic line of discussion as "it's an opinion, so it can't be wrong."
That has been explained already. The huge hit was due to the necessary buyback of shares from the Yamauchi family. It is not due to a huge loss
I shall do some hunting.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Cannot believe I have to do this....
Are you going to ignore the dozens of third parties as well?
MGS4
http://www.konami.co.jp/en/ir/ir-data/meeting/2010/0204.pdf?ref=ir-e_top
GT5
GT5P
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
UC2
http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20111004_uncharted3.html
TLoU
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/03/14/last-us-passes-6-million-sales/
i think the next step is to really and seriously open up to western developers because they haven't really. that means no more treating retro with kid gloves, giving nst the responsibility monster games or next level enjoys, reaching out to companies and developers with similar stylistic choices and working with them. companies like wayforward, 5th cell, and ubisoft montpellier could also work on nintendo franchises and/or provide exclusives the way sega, bandai namco, koei-tecmo, and capcom do.
but yeah i thought about this being a restructuring gen about a year or so ago. they wasted the time they should have been buidling and rebuilding during the middle wii years and instead decided to do it when they were in a moment of real weakness. maybe the benefit of that is knowing what exactly their weaknesses are and specifically targeting them so they won't be issues in the future. who knows.
Gcn was doing way better then wiiu though.
Does someone have a chart with alligned sales handy?
I stand somewhat corrected. My apologies.
Canis lupus
Member
I wish Parmenides continued to make these threads, his thread history is a nice depository of the Big 3's financial reports and he was nicely posting all the consoles' unit sales over the years like here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=706561&highlight=
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
To each their own
Not really idiotic if you havent changed anyone's opinion
Well Nintendo seems to have partnered with Good Smile for figurines in recent years which is a start (and a good one since hopefully it means no more rubbish overpriced F4F figures).
Nintendo needs to get their own iDOLM@STER and milk milk milk it like Bamco.
Zeyphersan
Banned
That's rich
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Somewhat?
Just admit you made a stupid throwaway comment to support your argument and we can all move on. Your "retraction" is a joke.
GardenSirens
Banned
I'm the same. I'm so jaded on current Nintendo and yet every time they have a showcase or announcement, I hang on every word. Nostalgia is a pretty thing.
Nintendo also seemed unstoppable in the days of the NES and SNES. Then the N64 and GameCube era made the fall, until the Wii and 3DS brought them on track again. The Wii U is a huge financial flop and they have simply to adept again next time.
StreetsAhead
Member
Just as throwing up your hands and saying 'You're delusional' is a lazy way of discussing anything. I was actually enjoying the discussion on the first couple of pages and now there's just a lot of insults.
What happened to NST is such a shame. Hopefully they can find something more substantial for them to do, like they did with Brownie Brown/1-UP Studio. It's such a waste to have a Western team only make Crosswords, Mario Vs. DK, and do some VC stuff.
metalslimer
Member
Well that's a start I guess. It's not hard to just admit you were completely wrong there.
I do admit that. I was going off of what is now confirmed to be erroneous data.
shinra-bansho
Member
One doesn't need to change anyone's incorrect opinion for their opinion to be incorrect. I don't need to convince the fool who can't accept that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, as regardless of how much he believes it he's still wrong.
There are realistic plausibilities and their are remote possibilities. There are informed and uninformed, valid and invalid, opinions.
I looked at the numbers not the names lol
All I said is that they need to target 3rd parties if they want to fill in their gaps and I would think preventing Wii U level delays should be one of Nintendo priorities going forward.
I totally understand how fucked they are and more or less it is deserved. The start of this madness was the initial price of 3DS, but they already had so many things to fix that is just stupid to start enumerating them.
The worst thing is that after some of the problems that DS and Wii had, and the debacle with 3DS and specially WiiU, I´m almost convinced that they won't fix them and will keep doing all kind of bullshit.
The worst thing is that after some of the problems that DS and Wii had, and the debacle with 3DS and specially WiiU, I´m almost convinced that they won't fix them and will keep doing all kind of bullshit.
Yup. Says a lot about the nature of the market: very unstable and unpredictable. Aside from hardcore fans, retaining people's attention in the long run is insanely hard. Nintendo had the whole world at their feet and now it seems nobody cares about them anymore. They found other toys to play with.
Holy fusk, wasn't it at 42 and something millions in September?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
You might think the fool is a fool. The fool could be thinking the same about you.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Nintendo going out of the business would be a surprisingly emotional blow, actually.
Also, I can totally see why indie developers are still excited to get on Nintendo consoles (you know, when they do). It's Nintendo! That represents childhood gaming!
biglittleps
Member
I think Little Big Planet also over 5 million (last i heard 4.5 at gamescom 2010 from sony), so three new IP's Uncharted, Last of US and Little big planet are over 5 million in PS3, unlike Nintendo uses popular old franchise for their 5 Million sales. Playstation also helps 3rd parties to reach 5 Million sales but nintendo systems never helps them to get similar sales.
If I have to be honest, though, I feel that in theory their restructuration + their plans of "iOSfying" (sorry for the term) their gaming business (i.e. games available through many devices, more devices on the market, unified development environment), as well as the loyalty programme sound fantastic for the future, and a bit forward-thinking in the console space. To be underlined, though, IN THEORY, since they could screw up immensely even something great like this concept. We know they've restructured and are still changing, as well as expanding, we're seeing the massive amount of money they're spending on R&D. I just hope all of this build up to something good, at least. They need to nail it as much as possible next time, though.
These are just my feelings on the matter, though.
Maybe, they'll share something more tomorrow.
These are just my feelings on the matter, though.
Maybe, they'll share something more tomorrow.
I think the lesson they will learn from this will be be quite the opposite of your expectations. They will try not to make an expensive to produce console in the future, as the costs are not covered by the games sold even on current install base.
Captain Tuttle
Member
scully1888
Neo Member
I put together this graph and tweeted it. It shows that while Nintendo's year has been horrible, it's barely made a dent on the overall income it's gathered over the past three decades.
Based on this, the claim that Nintendo could last for decades more making similar losses is certainly a realistic one.
Based on this, the claim that Nintendo could last for decades more making similar losses is certainly a realistic one.
Somethings I fully expect Nintendo to fix, such as future hardware and software pricing. We've seen this already with cheaper e shop games and more retail ends games being priced at 30 bucks.
But I also fully expect Nintendo to continue with ridiculous software droughts, awful account and digital services, under featured hardware, and slow reaction to the changing market. Basically, more bad than good.
Why do you think this? The PlayStation brand has been much more successful than Nintendo's.
When you add up total consoles sold:
NES (62m) +
SNES (49m) +
N64 (33m) +
GCN (22m) +
Wii (101m) =
267m total over five consoles and 30 years
(avg. 53.4m per console, 8.9m per year)
vs.
PS1 (102m) +
PS2 (155m) +
PS3 (80m) =
337m total over three consoles and 19 years
(avg. 112.3m per console, 17.7m per year)
That's a gap of 70m consoles, even with two extra consoles and a 11 year headstart.
The lowest selling PlayStation outsold every Nintendo console except for the Wii.
Nintendo's actually on par with Microsoft:
Xbox (24m) +
360 (84m) =
108m total over two consoles and 12 years
(avg. 54m per console, 9m per year)
Needless to say, PlayStation is on a different level than both Nintendo and Xbox.
Edit: This isn't including the Handheld market, I should add. Only home consoles.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
I bought a wii u other week, so much more fun than my ps4.
Ps4 has promise though. ?
Ps4 has promise though. ?
HUELEN10
Member
That's what saddens me the most. What about loving thier exclusives, what about loyalty? I am NOT talking about fanboyism, I am talking about that many people, buying that many Wiis, and being able to immerse themselves into that much Nintendo exclusivity, only to ignore their next offering? I mean, it's almost bogus to even consider! It's as if those that bought a Wii didn't give 2 shits about Nintendo. I am not saying that is or isn't the case, but it just feels totally unreal.
scully1888
Neo Member
That's conveniently ignoring handhelds though, which is half (or more) of what makes Nintendo such a household name. You can't just focus solely on consoles as if that's the only thing that counts when it comes to gaming.
Canis lupus
Member
People keep saying how Nintendo is gonna restructure and do something fresh but all I see and get is the same old Nintendo approach to things. If they were really forward thinking they would embrace social media and sharing, engage with their customers like Sony do and give us what we want. Nintendo is still being ruled by the ivory tower in Kyoto, if Nintendo is still trying to chase the casuals like they did with Wii U, they will fall hard again.
That's true. I didn't consider that.
Loyalty to a company is a fool's errand.