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[neoism]

Individually, yes, each DLC is $20. However, as part of the expansion pass, each DLC is $17.50. I would take the $17.50 as a better example of the price as I doubt players would buy one of the expansions and not the other, thus gravitating toward the expansion pass.

still 17.50 is not 15 and I see that shit why to much in these threads why does everyone round it down.to make it look better? even if you got the expansion pass 17.50 is still insanely over priced. no one knows if bungle will even do another "pass" for the game anyway. Comet will more than likely be 39.99 lololol. I was waiting all Christmas for just a little sale on the expack bungie/activison are greedy shits and this will most definitely be my last bungie game. I still play the base game here and there because MP is fun. but Meh is the only word to describe this games dlc content.... smh

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Destiny is a technically-sound, insubstantial yet successful game. It's not unique in this regard in the AAA space.

A point you have stretched to possibly over 100 posts across different threads. Heck, you have more posts in this thread than I do in the current OT!

Did Destiny kill your dog or something? In just this thread you've called Destiny players both crack addicts and stockholm syndrome captives.

What's your crusade about? That Destiny is not an awesome genre defining game? That it has flaws? That it doesn't match to the reputation Bungie has? These points have been made already and are brought up in every Destiny thread.

 

[RoboPlato]

Sounds like that update will be much closer to what I expected out of the other expansions. A solid six months between that and House of Wolves will hopefully allow it to be nice and substantive.

 

[Kor of Memory]

I compare this to Team Fortress 2 (since Bungie doesn't want to be compared to MMOs), which I've played for a few years short of a decade, and every year there are new maps and new weapons and sometimes even new modes added free of charge.

Or compare it to what Bungie did with Halo, where DLC maps came out every few months in addition to the substantial content at launch and ever-changning gametypes and matchmaking playlists. The full experience of a Halo game was maybe $100.

Destiny has a severe lack of content from the start, and then they charge for what seems like basic new missions on the SAME MAPS. This plan makes the full price of Destiny seem like it's going to be going into the $150-$200. It's just maddening how anyone would want to buy into this game, no matter how good the gameplay is. Cocaine probably makes you feel really good too, but I don't think it's healthy in the long run.

I love all the people in this thread doing the math on total cost of all the DLC but then no one bothers to factor in that this is all taking place over 2 full years.

So when you add up your $200ish number, why don't you go ahead and divide that out a bit?

paying $100 a year isn't that much, it's a game and a half.

Hell, if I wanted to think about it like an MMO I'm paying $8.33 a month. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

See dis?

 

[kayos90]

Sounds like that update will be much closer to what I expected out of the other expansions. A solid six months between that and House of Wolves will hopefully allow it to be nice and substantive.

It's 6 months so people don't feel exhausted playing the game but at the same time it keeps the people wanting more substantial content. People need to give Activision credit for at least how they planned out the content releases especially for a console pseduo mmo shooter.

 

[Sanke__]

That would require common sense and some attention towards what the community wants, two things Bungie hasn't really practiced with Destiny in the past months. How else could the pvp still lack basically the simplest of settings?

I feel like bungie has proven that they are willing to fix things that the community wants, they are just way too fucking slow

I was about to give up and then all at once they completely fixed the biggest problem with the game, materials farming

I never want to open another loot chest in a patrol mission again and now i dont have to

 

[BokehKing]

still 17.50 is not 15 and I see that shit why to much in these threads why does everyone round it down.to make it look better? even if you got the expansion pass 17.50 is still insanely over priced. no one knows if bungle will even do another "pass" for the game anyway. Comet will more than likely be 39.99 lololol. I was waiting all Christmas for just a little sale on the expack bungie/activison are greedy shits and this will most definitely be my last bungie game. I still play the base game here and there because MP is fun. but Meh is the only word to describe this games dlc content.... smh

Are we really arguing over $2?
We live in a world were I paid for $20 worth of Microsoft space points to buy $15 worth of content, and my other $5 of space points was pretty much useless

People who like the game and play everyday will buy it, here is $20, they can keep the change, wtf is $2

 

[ultron87]

I wonder if it will be possible to do the Comet stuff without Dark Below and House of Wolves. Those currently don't really interest me but it is possible that I'd be in for a full on expansion that was made with the lessons learned from the initial release. And I might just be willing to play some more Destiny next year even though I'm currently burned out on the base game because I did really enjoy my time with it.

 

[Kor of Memory]

still 17.50 is not 15 and I see that shit why to much in these threads why does everyone round it down.to make it look better? even if you got the expansion pass 17.50 is still insanely over priced. no one knows if bungle will even do another "pass" for the game anyway. Comet will more than likely be 39.99 lololol. I was waiting all Christmas for just a little sale on the expack bungie/activison are greedy shits and this will most definitely be my last bungie game. I still play the base game here and there because MP is fun. but Meh is the only word to describe this games dlc content.... smh

Because the only people that typically buy DLC for a game are people that already like the game, if you know you like the game, and know you are going to buy the DLC, you're probably going to pay the cheaper price, since it's just more of what you already like.

I wonder if it will be possible to do the Comet stuff without Dark Below and House of Wolves. Those currently don't really interest me but it is possible that I'd be in for a full on expansion that was made with the lessons learned from the initial release. And I might just be willing to play some more Destiny next year even though I'm currently burned out on the base game because I did really enjoy my time with it.

Chances are when Comet comes out there will be a version that included the first to DLC packs anyway.

 

[KingV]

Go to the official thread here.

All great ppl.

*As long as you play on PS4. I've never been able to find a group in any sort of expeditious way on X1 through the official thread, though there are a few people there that I have played with occasionally.

 

[KOHIPEET]

I feel like bungie has proven that they are willing to fix things that the community wants, they are just way too fucking slow

I was about to give up and then all at once they completely fixed the biggest problem with the game, materials farming

I never want to open another loot chest in a patrol mission again and now i dont have to

Well, my biggest concern with the game remains the lack of settings/options in PVP, it feels like a placeholder right now. They seem pretty reluctant in even just acknowledging there might be something wrong about it.

 

[pj]

Too many people in gaming act like Destiny murdered their grandmother or something. Here is my opinion about this phenomenon:

I think that's completely wrong. I'm sure a couple people feel that way but most people think destiny's most glaring problem is simply a lack of content. If they want me to spend 10 hours leveling up an exotic weapon, give me 10 hours of things to do that I haven't already done 50 times.

I was a huge halo fan and I love the basic gameplay of destiny. They designed it to be addicting and now they seem surprised that people want a fix consisting of more than 1 raid and a bunch of recycled shit.

The haters don't want more halo, we want more fuckin destiny

 

[Kor of Memory]

Well, my biggest concern with the game remains the lack of settings/options in PVP, it feels like a placeholder right now. They seem pretty reluctant in even just acknowledging there might be something wrong about it.

Are you referring to no Custom Games?

 

[ape2man]

Awesome, i love to hate, but i really like destiny. I NEED MORE CONTENT!!!!

 

[MastaKilla]

I'm just going to stay on the sidelines until they announce Destiny 2 at this point. I really hope they go in a different direction with a much deeper story and much more varied and feeper gameplay as well. But it seems to me they intend to keep the franchise going in the same direction.

 

[neoism]

Are we really arguing over $2?
We live in a world were I paid for $20 worth of Microsoft space points to buy $15 worth of content, and my other $5 of space points was pretty much useless

People who like the game and play everyday will buy it, here is $20, they can keep the change, wtf is $2

nope I'm not I'm arguing that it is still over priced for the content you get.....

 

[Marcel]

I'm just going to stay on the sidelines until they announce Destiny 2 at this point. I really hope they go in a different direction with a much deeper story and much more varied and feeper gameplay as well. But it seems to me they intend to keep the franchise going in the same direction.

The guy who wrote the story behind Destiny's universe is long gone so you're right to feel that way.

 

[BokehKing]

Well, my biggest concern with the game remains the lack of settings/options in PVP, it feels like a placeholder right now. They seem pretty reluctant in even just acknowledging there might be something wrong about it.

It's because it's not separate from the campaign / pve

Which is, I think could almost be disastrous to split the user base up

If I have to back out of the game just to get a crucible match I'm going to be pissed.

As far as I'm concerned these are all things they can fix in Destiny 2

 

[KOHIPEET]

Are you referring to no Custom Games?

Basically.
I also would like to set the region I want to play in. And it would be great to exclude some of the maps I don't like.

If they could present just half of the customization that of Reach's MP, I would happily play a ton with Destiny.

 

[BokehKing]

nope I'm not I'm arguing that it is still over priced for the content you get.....

Really?
How so? I'll let you tell me what you didn't like about it after you purchased it.

Because if you didn't purchase it, all you know about it is what you see on paper

 

[Ont]

I compare this to Team Fortress 2 (since Bungie doesn't want to be compared to MMOs), which I've played for a few years short of a decade, and every year there are new maps and new weapons and sometimes even new modes added free of charge.

Team Fortress 2 is a multiplayer shooter with a completely different business model. If Destiny would only have Crucible (PVP), and no PVE content or MMO elements like the player hub, then this would be a good comparison.

Destiny should be compared to games like Diablo 3 and Borderlands. I.e games that have limited amount of PVE content, and in which the endgame revolves around replaying that limited amount of content in order to find better loot.

Destiny is fantastic when played with other people. If you just play the game alone because of the PVE content it quickly turns into a pointless grind. Although it is lot of fun to solo missions that would normally require at least three people to complete.

 

[pj]

Are you referring to no Custom Games?

Custom games, more than 3 modes, modes with standardized loadouts to give at least the illusion of balance

There's a ton of shit they could be doing with pvp

 

[BokehKing]

Team Fortress 2 is a multiplayer shooter with a completely different business model. If Destiny would only have Crucible (PVP), and no PVE content or MMO elements like the player hub, then this would be a good comparison, but it is not.

Destiny should be compared to games like Diablo 3 and Borderlands. I.e games that have limited amount of PVE content, and in which the endgame revolves around replaying that limited amount of content in order to find better loot.

Destiny is fantastic when played with other people. If you just play the game alone because of the PVE content it quickly turns into a pointless grind. Although it is lot of fun to solo missions that would normally require at least three people to complete.

No, it shouldn't, it's a totally different game, people have it in their head it's going to rain disposable legendary weapons you'll dispose of after you level another few times in a day, it's not that game, it shouldn't be that game it should be it's own game.

 

[pj]

It's because it's not separate from the campaign / pve

Which is, I think could almost be disastrous to split the user base up

If I have to back out of the game just to get a crucible match I'm going to be pissed.

As far as I'm concerned these are all things they can fix in Destiny 2

There is no technical reason they couldn't have options in PVP without making MP a separate mode..

These are all things they could fix now, but then what would we have to look forward to in destiny 2/3/4?

 

[Waylon Drums]

*As long as you play on PS4. I've never been able to find a group in any sort of expeditious way on X1 through the official thread, though there are a few people there that I have played with occasionally.

It's rare enough that I'm actually surprised when I see someone looking for XBox players. Seems to be VERY PS4-heavy.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Basically.
I also would like to set the region I want to play in. And it would be great to exclude some of the maps I don't like.

If they could present just half of the customization that of Reach's MP, I would happily play a ton with Destiny.

There are a handful of reasons I can see custom maps not being allowed in.

Map exclusion, though? Nah. Thought I do think a simple Veto the first map and get stuck with the second map no matter what would be great.

It would also give Bungie a direct statistic to monitor for which maps aren't up to par.

Custom games, more than 3 modes, modes with standardized loadouts to give at least the illusion of balance

There's a ton of shit they could be doing with pvp

But there are more than 3 modes?

Control - Territories/Team Deathmatch hybrid
Clash - Team Deathmatch
Rumble - FFA Deathmatch
Skirmish - 3v3 Team Deathmatch with revivals enabled

I'll give you that skirmish could be considered a smaller version of Clash I guess.

Then we have the weekend playlists
Salvage - Team King of the Hill
Combined Arms - Lets be honest, this playlist is an afterthought and doesn't count for anything.

Then the specialty playlists
Iron Banner - Territories/Team Deathmatch hybrid with non-normalized PvP


It helps that some of the datamined information shows that we've got some new playlists on their way. Personally can't wait for 2v2.

 

[dubq]

I also do not understand why some here are stating that raids should remain w/o matchmaking. How does it affect you? You wouldn't need to use it if you didn't need or want to..

"Not in Bungie's best interest" is bollocks. Because then people would "complain?" There is already a metric fuckton of complaining over this game, and if some people are going to complain about the raid, they're going to complain about it regardless of matchmaking. You're not Bungie's PR department (are you?) so you don't need to concern yourself with that.

 

[BokehKing]

Custom games, more than 3 modes, modes with standardized loadouts to give at least the illusion of balance

So you're saying make destiny more like halo because you want to play halo?

Why gimp the guardians and make it like halo, which is its own series with (imo) very boring game mechanics.

 

[DavidDesu]

I really can't see this lasting into 2020 as a franchise unless significant changes are made. It needs a deep, overarching story to carry it.

Was about to post something similar but you said it far more succinctly. Yes, they need to go back to the drawing board. I love the gameplay but the game isn't what they initially pitched. I expected a big open world, from one end to the other, that you could traverse however you liked (maybe like Fallout 3 or even a Skyrim), "fighting the good fight" as you went, with a story tying it all together somehow. What they've come away with is an awkward mash up of grinding and FPS, that doesn't make very much sense, barely tied together with a storyline and story detail that literally was written on the back of a napkin.

I wanted so so much more. More grinding in a handful of new areas doesn't impress me. More raids that I'll never play as I don't have the online friends to meet up with at a scheduled time to do them.

 

[neoism]

Really?
How so? I'll let you tell me what you didn't like about it after you purchased it.

Because if you didn't purchase it, all you know about it is what you see on paper

haha dude I still play the game...(MP) I still post in the main thread. I know what's in the expansion. smh

 

[SlaughterX]

Well by the time this comes out I will most likely have a PS4 and if they do a retail release with all the past DLC plus the new and it goes on sale I will get that version to play with my other friends, if they are even still playing it for that long...

 

[KOHIPEET]

There are a handful of reasons I can see custom maps not being allowed in.

Map exclusion, though? Nah. Thought I do think a simple Veto the first map and get stuck with the second map no matter what would be great.

It would also give Bungie a direct statistic to monitor for which maps aren't up to par.

Yeah, that'd probably do

 

[LordofPwn]

Just a heads up that the image does not say there are new subclasses coming. the total on the right says 6, not 9.

 

[BokehKing]

I also do not understand why some here are stating that raids should remain w/o matchmaking. How does it affect you? You wouldn't need to use it if you didn't need or want to..

"Not in Bungie's best interest" is bollocks. Because then people would "complain?" There is already a metric fuckton of complaining over this game, and if some people are going to complain about the raid, they're going to complain about it regardless of matchmaking. You're not Bungie's PR department (are you?) so you don't need to concern yourself with that.

Matchmaking needs to be in everything BUT raids
I don't want to be grouped with a bunch of people who don't have mics or leave after the first bosd

 

[darkistheway]

I doubt my addiction to Destiny will survive past Bloodborne but maybe I'll return in September...

Spoiler

I will probably still raid every week

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

As an idiot who preordered everything Destiny the last time around, I will not be giving them a single penny after this. If Destiny 2 fixes the many problems with Destiny then I'll think about it after reviews are out.

 

[breakfuss]

Funny thing is I agree with most of these criticisms, especially those concerning content. They're spot on. Marcel's rants are actually pretty entertaining most of the time. I just don't appreciate being called an "addict" because I enjoy the game. It's a cheapshot.

I'm optimistic things will improve. In the meantime I'll continue to play it as I would any other seemingly "repetitive" game because of the community. People continue to ignore the dynamism this brings to the gameplay. No two raids are ever alike!

 

[Deku Tree]

I think that's completely wrong. I'm sure a couple people feel that way but most people think destiny's most glaring problem is simply a lack of content. If they want me to spend 10 hours leveling up an exotic weapon, give me 10 hours of things to do that I haven't already done 50 times.

I was a huge halo fan and I love the basic gameplay of destiny. They designed it to be addicting and now they seem surprised that people want a fix consisting of more than 1 raid and a bunch of recycled shit.

The haters don't want more halo, we want more fuckin destiny

I want more content too.

But I played every halo game over and over for years and it's hard to legitimately argue that Destiny has less SP content than any of them. Even if you only play every story mission once and never play a raid then you have more missions and more time to completion than any SP Halo game.

In fact I find it hard to find a legitimate arguement that the main story missions all of them played once have less content than almost all FPS games coming out today.

That's before you get to the end game grind. There is really no need to go out of your way and grind to level up any weapons to beat all the story missions.

Sure Halo had a cut scene at the beginning and end of every chapter and destiny doesn't and that's feels like a flaw but it also feels like a specific design choice with some specific logic behind it that I haven't heard rather than just Bungie and Activisison "going cheap".

 

[PanicFreak]

I'm just going to stay on the sidelines until they announce Destiny 2 at this point. I really hope they go in a different direction with a much deeper story and much more varied and feeper gameplay as well. But it seems to me they intend to keep the franchise going in the same direction.

This is where I am right now. I uninstalled the game and I'm thinking about trading it in. The lack of story killed the experience for me.

 

[Sanke__]

Well, my biggest concern with the game remains the lack of settings/options in PVP, it feels like a placeholder right now. They seem pretty reluctant in even just acknowledging there might be something wrong about it.

I definitely agree
(At least i think i do, not 100% sure what you mean by settings/options)

My point is just that im sure the will fix it, just very slowly

With the dlc release calendar the way it is i wouldnt expect much love for pvp until after house of the wolves

Also their being open/ interacting with the community is awful
I feel like they are good at listening to the community but terrible at talking to it

 

[Kor of Memory]

I also do not understand why some here are stating that raids should remain w/o matchmaking. How does it affect you? You wouldn't need to use it if you didn't need or want to..

"Not in Bungie's best interest" is bollocks. Because then people would "complain?" There is already a metric fuckton of complaining over this game, and if some people are going to complain about the raid, they're going to complain about it regardless of matchmaking. You're not Bungie's PR department (are you?) so you don't need to concern yourself with that.

If they decide to put it in, good for them. I don't typically argue this point one way or the other.

The only thing I think about it is:

I remember running instances on WoW before I had a proper guild and it was a nightmare, I have nothing but bad memories from it.

I have great memories from running instances with my guild.

Note that my experience was based around experiences that took place before blizzard implemented any sort of fair loot distro.

 

[RDreamer]

Go to the official thread here.

All great ppl.

This:

Not a real solution to what that poster is talking about.

I mean, it's a solution sometimes, but not all the time. Sometimes I just want to pick up the game and play a little bit. I can't do that if I have to try and coordinate with people on a message board... especially since I've lurked there a bit and haven't really seen someone at level 5 or 6 looking for people to group with. Not saying no one would, it's just rare enough that I don't think it would fit my purpose.

Destiny should be compared to games like Diablo 3 and Borderlands. I.e games that have limited amount of PVE content, and in which the endgame revolves around replaying that limited amount of content in order to find better loot.

Destiny is fantastic when played with other people. If you just play the game alone because of the PVE content it quickly turns into a pointless grind. Although it is lot of fun to solo missions that would normally require at least three people to complete.

I can't speak for Borderlands' social tools, but comparing it to Diablo 3 is goddamned laughable. In Diablo 3 I could play with a group of people at any time. I could play with friends I knew in real life if they were on and I coordinated, I could play with people from here on Neogaf, but most importantly I could just fucking play with random people. I didn't have to do anything crazy or open my browser to get someone to group. I just played, whether it was 9PM at night or I happened to wake up at 4AM. I could get a group.

Perhaps Destiny worked well right when it came out, but I'm telling you now as a newb it sucks. There's no way to talk to people in the hub (that I know of), and even if I could, they're all level 31... all of them! I've only ran into one person ever that was near my level. Why exactly aren't they populating my instanced hub with people around my level? Why isn't there some sort of automated group finding? I just don't get it. You're right, the game sucks to try and play solo. Diablo 3 did, too, but they actually gave you tools.

I'd ask them why it's so goddamned hard to implement this stuff, especially if they and everyone else keeps saying it's such a social game... but then I remember to get any of the story you have to open your goddamned browser instead of seeing things in game....

 

[pj]

So you're saying make destiny more like halo because you want to play halo?

Why gimp the guardians and make it like halo, which is its own series with (imo) very boring game mechanics.

Not more like halo, just more predictable. There are so many possible permutations of weapons and gear that you can't know whats around the corner. It makes the game less strategic and less fun.

They could have a rotating set of predefined characters to pick from with abilities that are chosen to rock/paper/scissors one another. I don't see how anyone could be against that as an optional mode.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Matchmaking needs to be in everything BUT raids
I don't want to be grouped with a bunch of people who don't have mics or leave after the first bosd

Then don't use it, or they could actually take the time to develop something worthwhile where those things would be less of an issue.

A toggle to only find people with mics, plus a report feature to report people who aren't using mics, which would 'ban' you from pressing the mic toggle would work too.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Matchmaking needs to be in everything BUT raids
I don't want to be grouped with a bunch of people who don't have mics or leave after the first bosd

So don't fucking use it?

it doesn't have to be an all encompassing feature, just give an option for who wants matchmaking.

If you want to do it the other way then by all means

 

[BY2K]

So Plague of Darkness is Destiny 2?

 

[Ein Bear]

I want them to add matchmaking to the Raids just so I can actually play them. I only know one other guy IRL who owns a PS4, so we're kinda screwed.

 

[BokehKing]

Then don't use it, or they could actually take the time to develop something worthwhile where those things would be less of an issue.

A toggle to only find people with mics, plus a report feature to report people who aren't using mics, which would 'ban' you from pressing the mic toggle would work too.

So the content should suffer for random? Then they would have to offer dumb downed gears to randoms

I want them to add matchmaking to the Raids just so I can actually play them. I only know one other guy IRL who owns a PS4, so we're kinda screwed.

The OT, gamefaqs has separate message boards for lfg, the Bungie site, destinylfg site, tons of places for you to be added to a lobby very quick

 

[Kor of Memory]

I want more content too.

But I played every halo game over and over for years and it's hard to legitimately argue that Destiny has less SP content than any of them. Even if you only play every story mission once and never play a raid then you have more missions and more time to completion than any SP Halo game.

In fact I find it hard to find a legitimate arguement that the main story missions all of them played once have less content than almost all FPS games coming out today.

That's before you get to the end game grind. There is really no need to go out of your way and grind to level up any weapons to beat all the story missions.

Sure Halo had a cut scene at the beginning and end of every chapter and destiny doesn't and that's feels like a flaw but it also feels like a specific design choice with some specific logic behind it that I haven't heard rather than just Bungie and Activisison "going cheap".

I think I did the math on this once, about how much time you would need to spend in Destiny to play all the content.

Missions
Earth - 5
Moon - 4
Venus - 4
Mars - 4

If you spent 20 minutes on each level, that puts you at 5 hours and 40 minutes.

If you played all 6 strikes at 15 minutes each, that puts you at 7 hours and 10 minutes.

If you played all 9 multi maps at 12 minutes each, that puts you at 8 hours 22 minutes.

If you played the raid at 90 minutes, that puts you at just shy of 10 hours.

I'm not even including patrols, or any time spent in the tower.

 

[gdt]

I want them to add matchmaking to the Raids just so I can actually play them. I only know one other guy IRL who owns a PS4, so we're kinda screwed.

Go in the Gaf OT. It's not the solution you are looking for but it's absolutely a solution. You'll find people to raid with no problem.