Fox Mulder
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If they get back, they can at least share their story with other stupid fucks that see this so appealing.
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3 British ISIS brides that flew into Syria reportedly on the run from their husbands
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If they get back, they can at least share their story with other stupid fucks that see this so appealing.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Hm. Guess joining a terrorist group wasn't as glamorous as they thought it would be.
Hope they get out of trouble but Jesus.
Hope they get out of trouble but Jesus.
It's a very different kind of psychotic, though. While anybody who joins ISIS is probably irrational (at least by Western reason), there are a lot of very tangible benefits that come with joining ISIS. A 20-something Muslim guy who might be a virgin, probably doesn't have much of a future, and feels like an outcast in a secular world suddenly has the chance to be powerful and wealthy.
A girl doesn't get this benefit. A 17-year-old who joins ISIS to marry a jihadi soldier gains nothing but respect among her Wahhabist peers and anger from her family and other peers. You can amount some of this to teenage rebellion, but it's still pretty perplexing. Maybe some of it is also sexual? I'm sure that most of these girls would probably otherwise have remained virgins until their mid-20s. If most of your classmates have already had sex, but you have personal convictions against having sex the way that they do, you might feel conflicted and frustrated.
NealMcCauley
Member
Hope they get somewhere safe but that's about as far as my empathy goes.
ginger ninja
Banned
I would much rather they get locked up for few years if they do return.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Fuck them.
They aren't children that have bombs strapped to them and told their necklace will protect them from the explosion and shit.
They saw/heard the atrocities these pieces of crap were committing and wanted to join up. They fully knew what they were doing.
They made their choice. Lesson learned to the idiots in western countries that even entertain joining these fucks.
They aren't children that have bombs strapped to them and told their necklace will protect them from the explosion and shit.
They saw/heard the atrocities these pieces of crap were committing and wanted to join up. They fully knew what they were doing.
They made their choice. Lesson learned to the idiots in western countries that even entertain joining these fucks.
lol
But I'm not defending their dumb action. It was super dumb. Super super dumb.
I'm just asking that people engage in a little bit of empathy towards a group of young people likely about to be killed or forced into a lifetime of torture and abuse after making an awful, naive and likely brainwashing-induced mistake.
Or they could do community service and prevent other teens from jihadism?
CadetMahoney
Member
Wonder what level of education these young women had to think this way.
I'm not 100% sure what is meant by this. Not trying to single you out, but I've seen the word brainwashing thrown around a lot in the context of ISIS. Is it being argued that ISIS members on Twitter were able to somehow exert mind control over these girls to make them fly to Syria to get married? Cause when people talk about brainwashing in the context of cults or whatever, it's really only been documented in cases where the individual has been isolated from people they know and only allowed context with the manipulative group. It's not really something that works over the Internet. Or is brainwashing simply being used as a scarier-sounding shorthand for encouraging and assisting naive young people to do stupid things.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Definitely a really shitty idea, but this kind of thing happens when groups are vilified in society - they move towards negative elements.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
Member
Did you join any terrorist organizations with the intent to become a glorified concubine when you were 16, because I surely didn't. This goes well beyond the normal category of "Stupid shit teens do".
There are fanbases for the two Columbine shooters. like writes love letters and fan fiction fanbases. Same with the Boston Bomber.
There are crazy people out there that are attracted to scum.
Let me try......
Nope I got none. Dumb cunts deserve whatever they get. I was 16 once and I am pretty sure I could tell right from "let me join a Islamist terrorist group that murder people,what can go wrong"
Some people's purpose in life is to become cautionary tales to others. Maybe I am a heartless bastard but I will save my empathy for people who deserve it.
Join ISIS, get community service?
What does one have to do to go to jail or have citizenship revoked?
A Link to the Past
Banned
Well I mean, you're not an Islamic teenage girl, right? Regardless of whether you can empathize or sympathize with them, "I didn't do this when I was a teenager" should not be why.
That Buzzfeed article about the American girl who joined gave some interesting insight.
If their recruitment was anything like the American's, these girls were most likely fed propaganda appealing to their desires for adventure and freedom, as well as making them feel it was the proper religious thing to do.
Very sad. Can't exactly blame them.
If their recruitment was anything like the American's, these girls were most likely fed propaganda appealing to their desires for adventure and freedom, as well as making them feel it was the proper religious thing to do.
Very sad. Can't exactly blame them.
m_shortpants
Member
Honestly, I don't even know what to say. It's sad. All around.
I'm positive frustration, both sexual and financial, plays a big part in this.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
oh like teenage kids NOT doing dumb things because of One Direction or Justin Bieber?
We all make mistakes.
But apparently you're not allowed to make those these days when a man with a hatchet is basically considering you his property. Oh well, you had your chance!
They are kids, no matter how dumb, silly, whatever. Would you like someone else proclaiming it to be okay to murder your kid? Because if you think that ISIS is the first, and last, stupid thing teenagers are going to do, you need to do some research on history. Or why everyone always goes after the kids first.
Or look up the age of the average "revolutionary", worldwide. It's not 30 or above, I'll tell you that.
This whole 'no mercy' thing that's going on in this thread is not going to change anything. In fact, it will probably have the opposite effect.
MrSaturn99
Member
There's a word for this, but it's not springing to mind.
These stories of brainwashed foreign teenagers joining ISIS are just the worst.
what.
These stories of brainwashed foreign teenagers joining ISIS are just the worst.
what.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
oh yeah, and propaganda doesn't influence anyone.
"The Nazi's were gung-ho adventurers! "
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I mean, really? We're going to argue that kids are NOT fucking stupid, gullible, and usually frustrated as shit, and that this is not even worse when you're a woman?
Also, why is everyone selectively forgetting that the brain only fully matures between 18 and 23, which is well-known at this point?
I'm not arguing forgiveness, I'm arguing empathy. I know that is wasted on the internet, but in terms of 'you reap what you sow', a 'no mercy' policy is going to get you exactly what you don't want.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
One of the parents of these girls seems to be an ardent supporter of Anjem. Not really a surprised what happened to her daughter. And callously tweeting death threats:
"uh wanna behead some kafirs [non-Muslims] now"
I'm indifferent but best for those three to not come back in the UK
"uh wanna behead some kafirs [non-Muslims] now"
I'm indifferent but best for those three to not come back in the UK
Well what substantial role are the ISIS women serving? If they are engaging in violence then I agree with jail. If they're pretty much sex slaves for a terror hubby, then yes I do have empathy for a group of dumb 16yr olds. Juvenile detention will fix nothing, they'd be better served targeting people like them and convincing them not to follow in their footsteps.
This is like getting outraged for a Cartel gang's bluntroller. All the idiot does is roll blunts.
PhoenixDark
Banned
No sympathy from me. If you can't tell joining ISIS is a bad idea, especially as a woman, you lost at life.
RustyNails
Member
Well, I think it depends on what they still want. Do they want to come back to UK and still revel in ISIS' glorification? Or do they come back and repent their ways. In an ideal world the three come back and become anti-extremism activists and work with community to stem the tide of extremism in UK. But in the ideal world, they should also be punished for breaking the laws.
freethoughtbubble
Member
I don't understand why people are attempting to impose empathy for these girls on others. They made their choice to ally themselves with murderers. Choices have consequences. I don't wish them harm, but if harm befalls them then it will be because of their own actions. That's harsh perhaps, but far harsher things happen to more innocent people every day and it's with those people that my heart tends to lie.
Now, if it turns out that the three were groomed or somehow kidnapped and brainwashed, then my feelings on the matter would likely change. However, considering the fact that serial killers and the like tend to attract their fair share of groupies, I don't think it's unlikely that these three teenagers were simply attracted to the perceived power these extremists have over other people. I don't empathize with that. Why should I?
I wish them luck in escaping so that they learn from their experiences and share them with other misguided or ignorant people. But unless there's more to their story, that's as far as I'll go.
Now, if it turns out that the three were groomed or somehow kidnapped and brainwashed, then my feelings on the matter would likely change. However, considering the fact that serial killers and the like tend to attract their fair share of groupies, I don't think it's unlikely that these three teenagers were simply attracted to the perceived power these extremists have over other people. I don't empathize with that. Why should I?
I wish them luck in escaping so that they learn from their experiences and share them with other misguided or ignorant people. But unless there's more to their story, that's as far as I'll go.
By that logic, I guess the Columbine Shooters were just misguided kids, since they were "going through a philosophical exploratory/rebellion phase". Cmon, actions like joining a terrorist group or shooting up a high school are not people who are "naive to the reality of the world".
Now these girls may have been influenced by propaganda, but even so, they still had complete awareness of what likely fate they were headed toward. While I do hope they avoid capture, they made their choice and they now have to face the consequences of that choice.
TheOrangeKid007
Member
I hope they send them back. Sometimes your purpose in life is only to serve as a warning for others.
What frightens you is what attracts them.
They said I could be anything, so I became a slave wife to a bigoted serial killer. I also hear there are some nice openings in the North Korean military.
I'm sure parental religious indoctrination plays into this. Just hope they weren't so dumb as to get stoned to death. It'll make for an interesting book.
I'm sure parental religious indoctrination plays into this. Just hope they weren't so dumb as to get stoned to death. It'll make for an interesting book.
GameAddict411
Member
I am not sympathetic at all. They choose to go there, them being 16 is not an excuse. They're old enough to know what ISIS is, and the god awful stuff they're committing against humanity.
Pellegri Testament
Member
I'm honestly trying to think of any positive propaganda they could have possibly gotten for women in ISIS. "Get raped, treated as a sex slave, have no influence whatsoever on anything, be a literal dog that follows it's masters will", does any of that sound good to you? It's one thing to be a man and be attracted to the power of joining such a group, but a woman? There are no positive stories from women who join them, it doesn't take much education to understand that there is literally nothing going for them if they joined.
"The brain fully matures between 18 and 23" is also so much bullshit. You're telling me that not a single one of these girls could have had it go through her mind that maybe, just maybe, joining a terrorist group to be a submissive slave for the rest of your life, isn't such a good idea? Just because they were 16, doesn't mean they can't make decisions for themselves. We're not talking about doing drugs out by the school dumpster between classes, we're talking about signing your life away to be treated as little more than a dog. Kids do stupid shit all the time, but lets face it, there's a large difference between "stupid shit" and "I want to be a sex slave who enjoys abuse and likes being ruled over because of my gender's non influence".
ginger ninja
Banned
Or worst, the come back and actually spread more hatred or terrorism. For all the times we use the word brainwashing and propaganda, people should also remember that at the end of the day these people REALLY do believe all the things ISIS does/propagates. The trend is that people get tired of all the war and misery and would like return to comfort of their homes but that doesn't mean they will stop believing all their toxic ideas.
If they were fully grown adults I would probably be more cruel and simply laugh at them, but honestly they are only 16. Some people do stupid stuff at 16. They are not children anymore, but that does not make them adults. This is something that many at that age are not mature enough to realize. At 16 people are old enough to make their own decisions but not old enough to see how dumb those decisions might be.
I can't deny that going to marry ISIS members is an especially stupid act, but how I see ISIS is going to be much different than that of an impressionable Muslim teenage girl from England. They are just rebelling against authority and the system like other teens, it is just that from their perspective ISIS might look like the punk rockers and the like that other teens have looked to as role models fighting the good fight against "The Man". It is not exactly a secret that ISIS propaganda is deliberately targeting Muslim youth living in the Western world, and honestly I feel that that probably played a large part in their decision.
Hopefully they get home safe and have learned from their mistakes.
I can't deny that going to marry ISIS members is an especially stupid act, but how I see ISIS is going to be much different than that of an impressionable Muslim teenage girl from England. They are just rebelling against authority and the system like other teens, it is just that from their perspective ISIS might look like the punk rockers and the like that other teens have looked to as role models fighting the good fight against "The Man". It is not exactly a secret that ISIS propaganda is deliberately targeting Muslim youth living in the Western world, and honestly I feel that that probably played a large part in their decision.
Hopefully they get home safe and have learned from their mistakes.
Teenagers are still quite rash. You haven't accepted that we need to be in our 20's to be fully mentally developed.
Phat Michael
Banned
are "ISIS brides" the ones that basically all the ISIS soldiers get to fuck? I read somewhere about 2 European girls who went over there and basically were just sexually abused by all the soldiers - im not sure on their roles and what they are actually doing over there?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, let he who has not run away from a first world lifestyle to join a third world terrorist organization cast the first stone. Who here can honestly say they haven't done some shit like that back in their youth?
Chittagong
Gold Member
Well that's a harsh fucking way to learn a lesson. Given how high profile they are, I fear next time we'll see them is in an orange jumpsuit :-(
Evil_Silver
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